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[Frogsterking]

Italiano visited Redados N2

I've been hoping you would say something that would help me town read you.

[Frogsterking]

I'll try to partner hunt, but considering my reasons for townreading Italiano were fallacious, I might not be the most reliable.
Between Fred and Casey huh

No it's between you and Casey. I don't believe Frederick declined to use his power N1.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2

I was coming round to townreading ItalianoVD again, actually.

[Frogsterking]

I'll try to partner hunt, but considering my reasons for townreading Italiano were fallacious, I might not be the most reliable.
Between Fred and Casey huh

This defense also looks eerily like Italiano's.

[LavarManos]

And I'm guessing I haven't?
Well we always elim Italiano today unless you want to go risky.
pedit: oh true, mafia can't multitask?

[LavarManos]

oh they can do more than one action
I wonder what you receive if Italiano is rolecop and visited two people.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

My present opinion is that LavarManos is ItalianoVD's partner.

[LavarManos]

My present opinion is that LavarManos is ItalianoVD's partner.

I don't blame you for that, but I am not.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What do you think about Casey now, LavarManos?

[Frogsterking]

So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2

I was coming round to townreading ItalianoVD again, actually.

Yes it was a fortunate report. The only thing that made me suspect him was the night kill analysis. He was pretty immune to behavioral scum reads.

Spoiler alert: same for the MagikHorse/Casey slot, who was the clear loser from the vote count analysis I did. I was hoping Lavar would do something that made my choice clear, unfortunately he hasn't inspired much confidence.

[LavarManos]

Depends on what happens if a tracker tracks a mafia who preformed both the kill and the rolecop. Do you happen to know what happens?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

It will be obvious to the tracker according to this wiki page.

[Frogsterking]

One of the main take aways from the VCA was that Italiano only voted alongside now-confirmed townies whom he was townreading at the time. The exception is that he did join a BW with Lavar for a period of time, during which Lavar was heavily town reading him. It appeared to me that Italiano uses his votes to pocket townies and is concerned with distancing. I don't believe he's ever voted alongside MagikHorse/Casey once, and there was something about the timing he joined the main BW on D1, like it looked like he was making sure he and MagikHorse were never on the same BW. I'll have to go back through the day.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

What is a BW?

[Frogsterking]

Both MagikHorse and Casey voted Italiano as a single-person BW and interacted with him and nothing ever came of it before joining mainstream BWs.

[LavarManos]

Thanks.
I am a little confused because Italiano only performed one action this night. This implies he is the goon. Why would the scumteam not just have the rolecop perform both a rolecop and kill? This seems like a much safer method as any motion at this point is scum, and info about PR is crucial.
BW is bandwagon

[Frogsterking]

Bandwagon or voting block. For example on D1 there was a shelly bandwagon and a Frederick bandwagon at the end of day. If you go through the day page by page and keep track of everyone's votes (or just go through the mod's iso) you can see who is voting together with whom and their explanations for doing so. It appears to me that Italiano took extra care to never vote in a way that would pair him with the MagikHorse/Casey slot. He also has fought with the slot randomly throughout the entire game though nothing ever came of it.

He's had the opposite relationship with the Lavar slot that hard town-read him shortly into joining the game. He did vote with Lavar for a period of time, either on D1 or D2 I can't remember. Italiano voted with me for a while on D1 after saying he town-read me. It looks like Italiano votes with townies who potentially town read him to earn their trust and fights with his partner in the chat so they don't get paired.

[Frogsterking]

Thanks.
I am a little confused because Italiano only performed one action this night. This implies he is the goon. Why would the scumteam not just have the rolecop perform both a rolecop and kill? This seems like a much safer method as any motion at this point is scum, and info about PR is crucial.
BW is bandwagon

My guess is that Redados was the N1 role investigate. I assumed Casey had role investigated him. I wasn't aware multi-action was enabled in the setup.

[Frogsterking]

Frederick do you know if multi-action is enabled in the newbie setup?

[LavarManos]

Frederick do you know if multi-action is enabled in the newbie setup?

Yes, scum can perform multiple tasks.
I am a little confused right now. I don't see why Fredrick is cleared.

[Frogsterking]

Frederick do you know if multi-action is enabled in the newbie setup?

Yes, scum can perform multiple tasks.
I am a little confused right now. I don't see why Fredrick is cleared.

God that's so annoying. I just assumed he was clear because scum would want to use their power N1 and the same mafia couldn't kill+investigate.

[Frogsterking]

I guess he's probably clear anyway because it's better for one scum to do the kill and the other to investigate so when the tracker outs them they can claim they're the other pr.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

"The Mafia Roleblocker or Rolecop are allowed to both submit the nightkill and perform his Roleblocker or Rolecop action." excerpt from the same wiki page.

[LavarManos]

So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2

I was coming round to townreading ItalianoVD again, actually.

Normally, I would think scum doesn't say stuff like this regarding their partner and would be more eager to bus. However, Fred strikes me as a somewhat unconventional player. Any scumgames I can skim over?

[Frogsterking]

I mean not clear, but it's less likely. He was under fire D1 so it's possible he didn't want to perform a night action.