Mini Theme 2165: MafiaSunny (Complete!)

[VP Baltar]

@VPB: You asked where I was and I gave you my thoughts on the wagon and yesterday etc and you never acknowledged or responded to it. whassup

Yo, I'm taking it all in to some degree. I've posted like twice as much as anyone else, so I'm trying to get some interaction that isn't me.

I appreciated your analysis though. Seemed like you picked up some insight overnight. I don't think it was a scum driven wagon really because chkflip was playing like trash. Idk if I'm as hard belief on that as you, but there could be as few as a single scum on there possibly. The speed is weird though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Would you mind restating 307 in different words please?

I think Annie Edison dying points to somebody who dislikes hydras potentially being scum. Fringe chance of VPB having slipped in the true motive.
PEdit: okay then

Can you explain what you're saying about vpb here a little further?

I feel like you’re just not gonna get it again but: in my experience I sometimes want to allude to my actual reasoning for killing someone when Im scum in the main thread, especially when everyone is wrong about it. It’s probably down to an issue of scum guilt/not wanting to lie, I’ve been told IRL that I cannot lie for extended periods of time, and to a certain extent that is true, and that’s why I have that inclination to do that. So yeah thinking about it I’m VERY likely projecting, but I still figured it should be pointed out.

[VP Baltar]

Would you mind restating 307 in different words please?

I think Annie Edison dying points to somebody who dislikes hydras potentially being scum. Fringe chance of VPB having slipped in the true motive.
PEdit: okay then

Lol if you think as scum I'd post kill reasons in the game.

I doubt UT would kill because he disliked hydrae either.

The obv reason would be because it's like getting rid of weak neighbors.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: TLDR context for my absence

Work got super busy and also my truck decided to be a yuuuuuge piece of shit when I tried to work on it and I spent multiple nights spending hours underneath it to no avail. It was physically and mentally exhausting so I didn't have much energy to really mafia it up. It's fixed now. Work is still busy but I don't have the other shit to bog me down. Sorry y'all.

184 - This is bad. Explaining the origins of Sunny, in the game

designed

about Sunny, is not IIoA or scum posting. Also this is not who I thought this was soooooo....

Hard to suss out much on the chk wagon as I wasn't really engaged at the time and I can't divorce re-reading the buildup with my knowledge of the flip. It all seems like shit but also chk's posting probably should've been yeeted so I think the flip is 1000% tainting my analysis.

tn was very kinda "look I'm here" without feeling like they're doing much so that's a thought.

DrPep's entrance was not good!

AGar, I need you to be town here, and I need some help.

I'm here bubba, and I'm town.

232 is a scum post!

tn is slightly better so far in D2.

lmao nevermind.

Jfc yall.

Had sudden drop in of the not quite in laws. Will get here eventually...

When is eventually because my patience is getting pretty thin and this is not the AGar I expect.

There is very little in this game and seems like something you could catch up in a solid 30 minutes.

This is fair but I was literally waiting for them to leave so I didn't just rip out my laptop while they were here. I really struggle anymore to do mobile posting, I struggle to focus and keep things straight.

Aaaaanyways.

We should yeet from {DrPepper/Noraa/Tn}

Haschel's hammer looks mildly suspect, but also so does that entire wagon, and I'm guessing in real-time instead of post-hoc it probably looked relatively fine. That wagon sped to yeet status though and it's tough to pull any solid wagon analysis from it because it was all garbo.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

If you had to give a basic read list sorting everyone in the game what would it look like rn? I think I actually saw this from you already but I want to double check

[Ythan]

Would you mind restating 307 in different words please?

I think Annie Edison dying points to somebody who dislikes hydras potentially being scum. Fringe chance of VPB having slipped in the true motive.
PEdit: okay then

Can you explain what you're saying about vpb here a little further?

I feel like you’re just not gonna get it again but: in my experience I sometimes want to allude to my actual reasoning for killing someone when Im scum in the main thread, especially when everyone is wrong about it. It’s probably down to an issue of scum guilt/not wanting to lie, I’ve been told IRL that I cannot lie for extended periods of time, and to a certain extent that is true, and that’s why I have that inclination to do that. So yeah thinking about it I’m VERY likely projecting, but I still figured it should be pointed out.

Jfc I don't care about that just say which vpb post you're referencing.

[VP Baltar]

The annie shot is also weird af. I'm assuming scum wanted to get rid of a hydra, but confirming a town slot on a misyeet is dumb. Either that or there may have been more town than expected on that wagon. Impossible to say.

Ythan and Haschel are probably the worst people on the wagon...though I'll admit I'm giving Gamma some leeway because he's a noob and chkflip's warning. Still, their vote is also bad.

Doctor Pepper, I'd like some reads from you.

AGar, I need you to be town here, and I need some help.

WHERE IS MY RECKONER?????

The hell??? I’m not a noob. I’m insulted you think I am actually

I'm old as dirt. Apologies.

[Ythan]

200 I found it without you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah see that's the kind of low-effort shit I would expect from scum. Like anyone could have very easily gone "Shit, we're getting perilously close to a hammer w/o a lot of voices chiming in," and simply unvoted. Leaving your vote parked is *also* saying "I am completely fine with this day ending early and no discussion cropping up."

Also trying to frame Chkflip's departure as "he wasn't part of the old boys club" is wildly inaccurate - he posted in a manner that was entirely inflammatory and pretty much asking to eat a yeet. I disagree with giving him that on the fact that that's a helluva bet if you're scum, and I disagree with all of the speed, but it wasn't "yeet the outsider." Especially considering those you are presumably classing as the "old boys club" don't even command half the player list or enough to run a yeet by themselves.

P-Edit: Because I have higher priorities of who I want to yeet than you. But you'd have to do more than ctrl+f'ing your name to understand that.

I think you’re demanding too much of tn. tn had no way to anticipate someone deciding to suddenly hammer the wagon with 0 ceremony to it, the table we have imo should very very rarely if ever have that happen. I’ve also seen people get upset at Y-1 voters who didn’t announce it despite the VC being on the same fucking page. My guess would be they thought everyone was sane enough to read the VC and have enough counting skill to know the would be dropping the hammer.

[Ythan]

So, what, are you saying ut and vpb are scum together, killed Annie because ut doesn't like hydrae, and then vpb slipped it? Is that what you're saying??

[Gamma Emerald]

I couldn't have unvoted chk because I didn't vote him in the first place.

I literally wasn't talking about you in reference to unvoting chk, but go off!

Who WERE you talking about? Same thought process I just expressed likely applies there.

[Gamma Emerald]

So, what, are you saying ut and vpb are scum together, killed Annie because ut doesn't like hydrae, and then vpb slipped it? Is that what you're saying??

I’m saying that’s a theory. I’m not acting on that rn, because I think VPB’s actually done a fair amount of towny things and also because that’s a massive reach to actually push that logic rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Shit went down while I was eating dinner eh? I have some other stuff to do and might post some stuff on this later today. AGar nice limpool. Newbies are always good lynchbait as far as I'm concerned ^^

(I'm talking about myself in case someone out there didn't understand)

SIGH

I don’t see this as particularly suspicious but I know someone will and I can’t exactly fault them for that

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually share your scumreads exactly and am vibing on you hard so I'm gonna align my vote but tn still smells. Everyone else but those three and me seems legit.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Wait so you think everyone except for yourself and AGar’s scum pool is “legit”? Why are you not including yourself? Why am I included?

[Ythan]

I think Emerald's iso is pure fluff who disagrees and where's your counterexample?

[Ythan]

I actually share your scumreads exactly and am vibing on you hard so I'm gonna align my vote but tn still smells. Everyone else but those three and me seems legit.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Wait so you think everyone except for yourself and AGar’s scum pool is “legit”? Why are you not including yourself? Why am I included?

I recognize that I don't seem legit. And I forgot you existed (along with Skies).

[Gamma Emerald]

Alrighty now imma go thru and read chkflip's ISO bc since they flipped green, their opinions r 100% valid

This is true, doesn’t mean they’ll be right

Not sure how anyone expects anyone to have reads worth a damn on page 10 given the current meta heavily favors 100 page day 1's.

I find 100 page day 1s worse for town’s chances than 10 or less page D1s

his play was newb-town
he was yeeted for being newb-town
thus it is a valid interpretation to state he was yeeted for not being part of the old boys club of old and angry mafia players

It’s honestly funny how wrong this is, I have only been on site for like 4 years, with like only half of that being time with active participation, and I managed to know chkflip was old guard
Though I ALSO understand this because of the fiasco with the coldheartedking account

These are like, the only things I’ve posted I can reasonably see as being called fluff. Everything else that looks remotely fluffy was solicited.

[Ythan]

So you posted fluff instead of not fluff hmm...

[Ythan]

I'm sure you understand that a response made up of, one, examples of fluff, and two, a naked statement that the rest is better, and coming from the subject himself no less, does not leave me satisfied.

[DoctorPepper]

Why are we creating a narrative of Annie being killed be ause hydra rather than because it's a no info kill nobody would be sus about

[Ythan]

Iirc that's just a Gamma suggestion.

[Ythan]

No vpb mentioned it as well. But it's certainly not an established narrative.

[Ythan]

You know what nevermind that's a perfectly fine post.

[brighteningskies]

Conversely I'm shocked anybody would be shocked by the confidence. Chkflip was acting scummy, got called on it, then admitted to being scummy but said it was all part of a test to get reactions and reads. Now, in a vacuum I have no problem with that whatsoever. But he gave no indication that this was true at all. When I see a townie get ran up to L-1 I usually see them try to get the vote onto somebody else. A player with reads would be able to do that. Failing that if they think their execution is inevitable they would be telling the town their last suspicions. Chkflip did none of those things and I'm not gonna apologize for hammering.

How was he acting scummy? He just said inflammatory things to get a response which is what most people seem to do anyway to scumhunt here so

Gonna look at the wagon on chkflip, it's very possible most/all of the people that voted them are town

What makes you say that?

Just because I don't want to assume there are definitely mafia players on the wagon but I suspect there might be one.

BS isn't really a newbie though so slot that in in place of Nora for me.

I think someone being a newbie isn't that relevant for whether they're scum? If you're suspecting someone because they're a newbie that's just really weird to me. Also newbie status has limited relevance in general.

I think BS is the one I suspected not Nora. But newbies so w/e them both for now.

Ik their name is brighteningskies but dude u really couldn't think of anything better than BS? Like Bright, Brightening, Skies, Sky, idk whatever is better than BS -______-

lmao yes thank you

[brighteningskies]

Just looked at Haschel's ISO.. so much saying "this is bad" without actually saying why anything is bad, many questions on other people to get them to simply elaborate without actually asking real questions.
Haschel would you please elaborate on why you thought ckflip was scum?

Try again.

If you're gonna use "I was just trying to get reads!" as an excuse, then you better be able to prove you got some reads.

For example: why is this not valid? Surely a town player could also mess up trying to get reads in a particular way and failing?


Still not sure about VP but getting less scum vibes from him today. More on that later I suppose.

[Noraa]

Shit went down while I was eating dinner eh? I have some other stuff to do and might post some stuff on this later today. AGar nice limpool. Newbies are always good lynchbait as far as I'm concerned ^^

(I'm talking about myself in case someone out there didn't understand)

SIGH

I don’t see this as particularly suspicious but I know someone will and I can’t exactly fault them for that

"I know someone will"
but then ur the only one that talks about it.
Alright inform me of why scum!Noraa would choose to say this
oh btw that theory is really a stretch and proposing theories like that isn't that helpful in moving the game forward bc generally they're wrong