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[Menalque]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

Like why are you voting someone who (1) hasn’t posted yet (2) voting somewhere totally unproductive when there is actually already content that you’ve made a *very ostentatious show of reading through* and (3) suggesting this TvT when it’s not really coming across that way to me and that seems like a very odd take for several pages of early aggression between two slots based on very little

[Menalque]

Actually maybe Taylor should be a scumlean based on that vote

you want me to vote for BM or noraa? no. i think theyre both prolly town. there are no other wagons, its an rvs vote. once everyone has posted then maybe ill have a legit scumread.

mena disliked this post

[Tayl0r Swift]

i thought he was vaguely +town for the mindmeld about noraa

I would agree that if noraa is scum then he’s just arrogant, but I think he’s posting in a fairly agenda-y way (the push on noraa but also trying to leave room to pivot in my direction, advancing support for the opposite-neighbours thing but wanting to flip me first and only then icon)

from my limited experience with / knowledge of BM, i thought he was arrogant regardless of alignment

i'm not sure i see (scummy) agenda in his posts about noraa? also uhh, i kinda didn't take his read on you as serious

pedit: sighhh
taylor, (1) obligatory why vote shelly, (2) why do you dislike that?

well its just strange that out of the four people who had been active to that point, one pair townread each other, another pair scumread each other and crossvoted, and then the first pair hopped on opposing sides of the wagons. was odd. by the time i posted, menal corrected it.

i still think thats probably TvT though

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

Like why are you voting someone who (1) hasn’t posted yet (2) voting somewhere totally unproductive when there is actually already content that you’ve made a *very ostentatious show of reading through* and (3) suggesting this TvT when it’s not really coming across that way to me and that seems like a very odd take for several pages of early aggression between two slots based on very little

sorry, you dont get to bully me into joining your preferred wagon. you think it isnt TvT, i disagree. until *I* see something scummy, im not gonna place a serious vote. considering that more than half the playerlist hasnt really posted and the four who have posted have been in a shitfight, i think thats reasonable.

[Datisi]

well its just strange that out of the four people who had been active to that point, one pair townread each other, another pair scumread each other and crossvoted, and then the first pair hopped on opposing sides of the wagons. was odd.

by the time i posted, menal corrected it.

sorry, what did you mean by the bolded?

[Noraa]

menal used to be on the other wagon but recently moved to my wagon

[Menalque]

i thought he was vaguely +town for the mindmeld about noraa

I would agree that if noraa is scum then he’s just arrogant, but I think he’s posting in a fairly agenda-y way (the push on noraa but also trying to leave room to pivot in my direction, advancing support for the opposite-neighbours thing but wanting to flip me first and only then icon)

from my limited experience with / knowledge of BM, i thought he was arrogant regardless of alignment

i'm not sure i see (scummy) agenda in his posts about noraa? also uhh, i kinda didn't take his read on you as serious

pedit: sighhh
taylor, (1) obligatory why vote shelly, (2) why do you dislike that?

Ehh, okay, I’ll bear that in mind

I would agree that he’s arrogant but that’s exactly why I don’t think him making an overconfident push is clearing? Like I think my impression of his scumgame is that he’s cocky enough to just shitpush out of the gate under the assumption it will be townread for ~taking stances~ and ~trying to solve~

If his take on me is just a joke then :roll-eyes: maybe I’m overreacting. But if it’s serious then I do think it’s +scum equity. But rn I prefer noraa and I don’t think it’s SvS. Like BM is probably in the fairly small subset of players who think highly enough of themselves to just lolbus a partner out of the gate for cred, but even knowing that I would say it’s clearing for him for 2-4 days depending on what the rest of his content is like just because lolbussing a partner is pretty rare as a thing to happen from page 2

[Menalque]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

Like why are you voting someone who (1) hasn’t posted yet (2) voting somewhere totally unproductive when there is actually already content that you’ve made a *very ostentatious show of reading through* and (3) suggesting this TvT when it’s not really coming across that way to me and that seems like a very odd take for several pages of early aggression between two slots based on very little

sorry, you dont get to bully me into joining your preferred wagon. you think it isnt TvT, i disagree. until *I* see something scummy, im not gonna place a serious vote. considering that more than half the playerlist hasnt really posted and the four who have posted have been in a shitfight, i think thats reasonable.

So is your stance that every post made so far is NAI

[Menalque]

Also where am i trying to bully you into doing anything lmao

Me calling your vote bad/scummy is hardly ~bullying~ behaviour

[Noraa]

This thread is moving too fast. Imma likely not post much more today but I'll be reading the thread

[Menalque]

you think it isnt TvT, i disagree.

I mean, I think this

BM and noraa both apparently think this

Bob maybe thinks this?

Datisi thinks this

In other words, it’s a very natural and reasonable take to see this as TvS, so my point is you’re not seeing it that way, and I think that’s potentially TMIy — especially when you made posts commenting on it that did imply that you thought things that (predominantly BM) had said were AI but then you... call it TvT and vote a random player who hasn’t contributed anything yet

Yes, I find that a problematic sequence of events in a world where you’re town

[Menalque]

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

You are probably literally the only person who thinks I'm remotely scummy here. I'm pretty obvtown, even from my own perspective. Also, you are playing that RVS card way too hard, although can let that slide as you're a newbie.

However, I actually like the above post. Feels like a legit misguided attempt to get bragging rights. Some townie points for you (although no bragging rights, because, i'm not scum, and you tunnelling me is not helping town).

yes let me tell you how much you should have me as locktown on page 3

Post # 102 is a bit provocative. Unfortunately I dont get mad that easily so you won't be able to get a huge reaction out of me and SR me for it. I talk about myself in third person from time to time correct. The other part is kinda rude however scumhunter Noraa isn't bad at her job so u best watch out. Rn a wagon on u sounds like the best wagon

how would you know if scumhunter noraa is good at her job if shes never finished her job?

that's helpful, thanks Bob! she doesn't really think datisi is null, she's just too scared of him to continue pressing. Doesn't want a fight on two-fronts, which seems like sensible play for Noraa-scum, but nonsensical play for Noraa-town.

On a lighter note, Taylor Swift hasn't posted in the first 5 pages!?

taylor must be scum

These do not sound to me like posts from someone who believes that everything posted from these two slots so far is NAI

[Datisi]

right mena moved the vote, i'm tired

well its just strange that out of the four people who had been active to that point, one pair townread each other, another pair scumread each other and crossvoted, and then the first pair hopped on opposing sides of the wagons. was odd.

is it ~strange/odd~ in a scummy way?

I would agree that he’s arrogant but that’s exactly why I don’t think him making an overconfident push is clearing? Like I think my impression of his scumgame is that he’s cocky enough to just shitpush out of the gate under the assumption it will be townread for ~taking stances~ and ~trying to solve~

If his take on me is just a joke then :roll-eyes: maybe I’m overreacting. But if it’s serious then I do think it’s +scum equity. But rn I prefer noraa and I don’t think it’s SvS. Like BM is probably in the fairly small subset of players who think highly enough of themselves to just lolbus a partner out of the gate for cred, but even knowing that I would say it’s clearing for him for 2-4 days depending on what the rest of his content is like just because lolbussing a partner is pretty rare as a thing to happen from page 2

i didn't say him making an overconfident push early is clearing? i said he's currently more town than scum to me because the push he made nicely aligned with my thoughts a couple of times

i don't know if it is (and @BM you're free to jump in here and correct me) but that's kinda the impression i got (since tbh the thing kinda looked like a pissing contest)
agreed on the room-temperature take of BM/noraa probably not s/s

talk to me about bob townlean?

pedit: not reading

[Menalque]

If it’s icon/noraa/Taylor then I’m a god and I’m sigging myself saying this postgame

[Noraa]

If it’s icon/noraa/Taylor then I’m a god and I’m sigging myself saying this postgame

ur not a god cuz I'm town

[Menalque]

i didn't say him making an overconfident push early is clearing? i said he's currently more town than scum to me because the push he made nicely aligned with my thoughts a couple of times

i don't know if it is (and @BM you're free to jump in here and correct me) but that's kinda the impression i got (since tbh the thing kinda looked like a pissing contest)
agreed on the room-temperature take of BM/noraa probably not s/s

talk to me about bob townlean?

Yeah sorry, I didn’t mean to imply you did, that question mark was just coming out of my own thoughts on him — like my opinion that it shouldn’t be clearing when for other people it might be

Ehh i guess we wait and see on this. I will try to be chill for all our sakes tho, or at least, civil and non-harassing if he keeps it up

Bob townlean is literally just nothing he said pinged me and it was nulltown as opposed to townlean. But at least he’s here and taking some sort of an interest

[Menalque]

Serious thoughts on icon reading our PT and not responding to me in it especially after he specifically asked me to play in this game?

[Menalque]

If it’s icon/noraa/Taylor then I’m a god and I’m sigging myself saying this postgame

ur not a god cuz I'm town

Well if you are and BM is scum instead then we’ll call it quits at demigod

[Noraa]

If it’s icon/noraa/Taylor then I’m a god and I’m sigging myself saying this postgame

ur not a god cuz I'm town

Well if you are and BM is scum instead then we’ll call it quits at demigod

sure

[Datisi]

right, nulltown
i just saw him above null and sorted it as townlean

Serious thoughts on icon reading our PT and not responding to me in it especially after he specifically asked me to play in this game?

level-zero-thinking says kinda sus

for more elaborate thought ask me later

[piisirrational]

This game started about 5 hours ago and we are already at 9 pages. wow.

Time for a decently-sized catch-up post I guess.

Notable Posts I Found:
33 Well that's something only two people participated in. I'd be more inclined to believe that both are town rather than that at least one is scum. If it's several people doing this, we have way more reason to believe that at least one (or two) of them are mafia.
38 This makes no sense. If the vanilla townie claim post was a joke, that's NAI at its finest. If the post wasn't a joke and BM actually is claiming Vanilla Townie, then I think that is more likely to come from town than scum as if BM tries to claim anything else he'd have to explain why.
64 I don't like this post. If you're newer than you probably won't have much meta, that's right. I have 2 completed games and 4 other games that I flaked out of, so I don't have much meta either. Meta does work when you're playing with people you've played before. It's one of the scumhunting tools people use. But just one. Doesn't mean it's unreliable.
92 I disagree. Retaining the explanation forever is anti-town, but keeping it hidden for a short-term period in an effort to get reactions is definitely not.
96 I can understand what you're trying to say here, but I don't think that's indicative of BM being scum. I'd expect scum to keep their options of mislynches open especially this early in the game. Also, only a few hours have passed. You can't make much of a conclusion from here.
119 I don't see how this doesn't make sense. Just because I scumread you does not mean that you should be scumreading me. It's perfectly fine for Datisi to think that Noraa is mafia, and at the same time Noraa being unsure about Datisi's alignment.
149 So which one out of the two is more scummy to you?
195 I don't know you can accurately predict the scumteam when we're only a few hours into the game and when most of the player-list hasn't posted yet. If I had to guess, I think at least 2 of the scum haven't actually posted substantially in this thread yet. If you, Datisi, and BM are all town, then it's very possible all three of the mafia are just lurking.
200 It's perfectly acceptable to vote someone who hasn't talked, kind of like making a pressure vote.
209 I really agree with this.
210 Where did Taylor think that some of the things BM said were AI? I'm not seeing those posts.

Basically:
-I don't like how Noraa is continuing arguing with Battle Mage while at the same time not getting reads on other players. He said that "we should also find the other mafia" but hasn't actually done this? Doesn't make sense at all. I'm definitely scumreading this slot at the monent.
-I'm townleaning BM a bit because most of his posts are things I'd more likely see coming from town!BM than scum!BM. Just a gut feeling at the moment. Could change though.
-I cannot read Datisi at all after looking at his posts. Null for now.
-I don't like Menalque's exchange with Taylor where he questions Taylor why she is voting for someone who hasn't posted, and continues to push that despite Taylor making a very fair explanation. I'm scumleaning this slot at the moment.
-While I think it's likely that Noraa and Menalque can be scum individually, I don't think that both are scum, simply because most of the playerbase hasn't posted much substantial content. Not casting a vote on either yet because I'd like to wait until most of the playerlist has interacted with the game before making a serious scumreading vote.

rawr!

i have spicy things to say

fuck rvs

expect me here tomorrow

I will definitely expect that. VOTE: Iconeum

[piisirrational]

If you want a TL;DR of the above, it's basically:

Townleans: Battle Mage
Scumleans: Noraa, Menalque
Nulls: Everyone else

[TheGoldenParadox]

it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

[Datisi]

-I cannot read Datisi at all after looking at his posts. Null for now.
[snip]
-While I think it's likely that Noraa and Menalque can be scum individually, I don't think that both are scum,

simply because most of the playerbase hasn't posted much substantial content

.

can i help with the first one, and can you run the second one by me again?

[Noraa]

it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

by far the worst vote on me. Rvs ended a while ago.