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[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Menalque

At least partly because it would be hilarious if we flip him Day 1 when he said it would be impossible, and partly to get to the bottom of this secret PT mystery.

fine i'll spill the beans

menalque is notorious for fake claiming with/towards me and my potential roles in game, and we tend to get into a fight over it early on. He's never hard claimed like this with me tho

IIRC it was Always town!menal who pulled this shit but i'll look towards Datisi 'The Keeper Of Games' for confirmation

so you're some kind of neighbours, with no alignment confirmation then? don't need to say more than that, but that much would be helpful.

[shellyc]

who's in the hood alongside menalque? only 2p hood?

[Iconeum]

menalque's claim is a reaction test

[Iconeum]

why? idfk, ask him

[Battle Mage]

no im not answering for menal, i saw it being brought up

still wanna hear an elaboration from taylor regarding that read because it isnt well explained
like ico spent ages trying to discover the TvT-ness of that conflict and I buy it

pedit: meta is trash

you did answer for Menalque - i wasn't criticising necessarily, just making sure it wasn't missed that you spoke up for him.

To be clear, I'm currently completely uninterested in a Day 1 Taylor-elim. In the nicest possible way, if she's scum, we'll know sooner rather than later. I don't see it yet on your logic.

[Battle Mage]

menalque's claim is a reaction test

so he's lying, and you're not in some PT with him?

[shellyc]

hmmmmmm okay

BM can you link the taylor game? I am up for some reading tonight

[shellyc]

To be clear, I'm currently completely uninterested in a Day 1 Taylor-elim. In the nicest possible way, if she's scum, we'll know sooner rather than later. I don't see it yet on your logic.

whats the alternative you propose then?

besides, do you still scumread / scumlean noraa considering they could be omgusing newbtown

[Iconeum]

menalque's claim is a reaction test

so he's lying, and you're not in some PT with him?

what do you think are the options for either allignment!menal who's in an actual PT with me?

Town!menal openly claims it without giving me a chance to talk to him in there first?
Scum!menal openly claims it because??

Do you have any theory that makes sense as to him outing it at this stage?

[Battle Mage]

To be clear, I'm currently completely uninterested in a Day 1 Taylor-elim. In the nicest possible way, if she's scum, we'll know sooner rather than later. I don't see it yet on your logic.

whats the alternative you propose then?

besides, do you still scumread / scumlean noraa considering they could be omgusing newbtown

scumlean yes, definitely.

i'm ok with pressure on menalque, especially in the light of him potentially fakeclaiming neighbour at the start of Day 1 - which could be marginally scummy, as it's a role which he could argue should be resolved later (i.e. it gives him an out to avoid getting elimmed Day 1). Plus shits and giggs innit.

[Battle Mage]

menalque's claim is a reaction test

so he's lying, and you're not in some PT with him?

what do you think are the options for either allignment!menal who's in an actual PT with me?

Town!menal openly claims it without giving me a chance to talk to him in there first?
Scum!menal openly claims it because??

Do you have any theory that makes sense as to him outing it at this stage?

dude, i dont even know if you're in a PT with him or not. Be straight with me first about wtf is actually going on, and I can give you my opinion.

[shellyc]

how is it +scum EV to fakeclaim neighbour? when it's proven fake it creates /more/ pressure on menal

[Battle Mage]

hmmmmmm okay

BM can you link the taylor game? I am up for some reading tonight

it was an open setup called Noir Mafia.

[Battle Mage]

how is it +scum EV to fakeclaim neighbour? when it's proven fake it creates /more/ pressure on menal

i have no idea how it's +EV for anyone to fakeclaim neighbour at the start of Day 1. I love a gambit, but that's pushing it even for my tastes.

[Datisi]

yay 8 pages

I want to say shelly voting me for reasons she knows very well don't apply since that is my play style means she is scum.

I was scum with shelly my first game of mafia

i'd expect shelly to have meta with town!you too in order to see if something is "playstyle" or not? (though if you can't talk about it, don't)

hot take on mena/golden bussing discussion (249, 252) is that even if noraa/BM do turn out to be s/s i wouldn't classify that as a hardbus exactly because it's so early game and how often does it go early game wagon > execution, it'd be harddistance more than a bus

agreed they're unlikely s/s but not because of "hurr durr hardbus"

I think saying tvt on the major conflict is quite fence-sitty but waiting for an elaboration

what do you mean when you say fence-sitty? like taking a stance on a conflict is... the opposite of that?

oh hello @pi
can you pls acknowledge my 223
also do you have meta/history with BM?

bottom of page 11, be back in a bit

[Iconeum]

hi datisi

i'll wait for you to catch up before we make it another 8 pages

[Datisi]

the voices of my gut tell me it's forced

The voices in my gut call me daddy.

Generally town couldn't care less if u dislike them. [snip]

However if BM is scum, Bob isn't and vice versa bc I cannot see a world where both are scum

not necessarily related to anything so far but obligatory theoretical disagreement on the first bit

what anti-partnery thing did you see in bob/BM?

Ok here's the thing. I didn't like the entrance but I'm not quite too sure why or how to describe why its wrong. Does anyone wish to explain precisely why BM's entrance was bad?

BM's entrance was bad?

the game is on like page 5 though. would you expect any actual content from him by now?

Odd reaction, given that BM also provided actual content related to you-mena as well as just Noraa.

98 ("There has been zero other content") implied (or so i thought/think) that a "lack of content" at that stage is scummy, wanted to pry into that. would've circled around to "but BM has given an opinion on me/mena", but i don't think i got a reposnse (?)

pedit: hi ico
i did skim ahead, i saw you call me scum or something
looking forward to it

[Menalque]

Every time icon, every time

Just let me do my thing fam

[iamausername]

man i hope this game calms down a bit

Noraa is oozing newbtown and Ico somehow being the only other person to see this is also giving me strong townvibes.

-I'm townleaning BM a bit because most of his posts are things I'd more likely see coming from town!BM than scum!BM. Just a gut feeling at the moment. Could change though.

this sounds like super forced?

VOTE: Bob

I get the feeling noraa Vs BM continuing benefits Bob, I don't interpret his posting as him truly trying to guide noraa there.

i agree with both of these takes. pii seems weirdly nervous about calling BM town, bob absolutely does not feel like he is trying to sort Nora with his questioning, it feels like he knows she is town and is trying to manipulate her into saying something incriminating.

VOTE: bob

[Menalque]

I found Alonzo and Taylor's entries to be the pingiest. Alonzo with a naked vote and then absence, only to call TvT and foist a weak/obviously disprovable vote on Menalque (a slot that had been FoSed by enough to be a potential wagon).

I actually kind of liked Alonzo’s whole progression there. Like, if you’re scum who’s bandwagoning onto me then you pick a reason that will stand up to some scrutiny. There weren’t enough votes for it to be part of an attempt to quickwagon me.

What’s the incentive for scum!alonzo to vote me for a reason he knows won’t hold up only to then back down off it immediately? If I knew him already, I’d say that’s probably a p good way of trying to pocket me, but I don’t. So provided he isn’t scum with like, datisi who told him that’s exactly the sort of thing I’d like, I find his initial answer very likely to be true (skimming, saw something that seemed incongruent, voted based on that, corrected when more information provided) and think it’s actually a p towny thought process

[Menalque]

In response to Datisi and Menalque calling me arrogant - not actually true, it's mostly just tongue-in-cheek really!

I'm aware my scumhunting record overall is pretty marginal at best, although on my day I can be very good, and am improving with age. I generally do my best work when i don't post so much, however that's also less fun!

Mm, sorry then i suppose, I don’t think I was getting your sense of humour very well

Also I want to say I’ve read a couple of games by you fairly recently and your reads were noticeably above average in both, which is why you being wrong on me is comparatively more concerning

[Menalque]

I don't think reading me and Noraa as both being town is scum-indicative for Taylor. I'd be pretty surprised if a few people didn't take that position. Often, but not always the case, mathematically and empirically speaking.

Yeh, I don’t think reading it as TvT is /necessarily/ scum!indicative. I /do/ think that saying you think it’s TvT and then voting a slot completely unrelated to anything that’s happened so far in the game is, and I do think it’s /somewhat/ scum indicative to say it’s TvT after some of the posts Taylor made catching up

[Gypyx]

1 + 1 = 2

[Gypyx]

2 + 2 = 3

[Gypyx]

Iui