so you're some kind of neighbours, with no alignment confirmation then? don't need to say more than that, but that much would be helpful.In post 394, Iconeum wrote:fine i'll spill the beansIn post 391, Battle Mage wrote:VOTE: Menalque
At least partly because it would be hilarious if we flip him Day 1 when he said it would be impossible, and partly to get to the bottom of this secret PT mystery.
menalque is notorious for fake claiming with/towards me and my potential roles in game, and we tend to get into a fight over it early on. He's never hard claimed like this with me tho
IIRC it was Always town!menal who pulled this shit but i'll look towards Datisi 'The Keeper Of Games' for confirmation
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you did answer for Menalque - i wasn't criticising necessarily, just making sure it wasn't missed that you spoke up for him.In post 399, shellyc wrote:no im not answering for menal, i saw it being brought up
still wanna hear an elaboration from taylor regarding that read because it isnt well explained
like ico spent ages trying to discover the TvT-ness of that conflict and I buy it
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To be clear, I'm currently completely uninterested in a Day 1 Taylor-elim. In the nicest possible way, if she's scum, we'll know sooner rather than later. I don't see it yet on your logic.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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so he's lying, and you're not in some PT with him?In post 402, Iconeum wrote:menalque's claim is a reaction testShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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hmmmmmm okay
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whats the alternative you propose then?In post 404, Battle Mage wrote:To be clear, I'm currently completely uninterested in a Day 1 Taylor-elim. In the nicest possible way, if she's scum, we'll know sooner rather than later. I don't see it yet on your logic.
besides, do you still scumread / scumlean noraa considering they could be omgusing newbtown"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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what do you think are the options for either allignment!menal who's in an actual PT with me?In post 405, Battle Mage wrote:
so he's lying, and you're not in some PT with him?In post 402, Iconeum wrote:menalque's claim is a reaction test
Town!menal openly claims it without giving me a chance to talk to him in there first?
Scum!menal openly claims it because??
Do you have any theory that makes sense as to him outing it at this stage?Rawr!
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#Town!Ico.never.does.that.
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scumlean yes, definitely.In post 407, shellyc wrote:
whats the alternative you propose then?In post 404, Battle Mage wrote:To be clear, I'm currently completely uninterested in a Day 1 Taylor-elim. In the nicest possible way, if she's scum, we'll know sooner rather than later. I don't see it yet on your logic.
besides, do you still scumread / scumlean noraa considering they could be omgusing newbtown
i'm ok with pressure on menalque, especially in the light of him potentially fakeclaiming neighbour at the start of Day 1 - which could be marginally scummy, as it's a role which he could argue should be resolved later (i.e. it gives him an out to avoid getting elimmed Day 1). Plus shits and giggs innit.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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dude, i dont even know if you're in a PT with him or not. Be straight with me first about wtf is actually going on, and I can give you my opinion.In post 408, Iconeum wrote:
what do you think are the options for either allignment!menal who's in an actual PT with me?In post 405, Battle Mage wrote:
so he's lying, and you're not in some PT with him?In post 402, Iconeum wrote:menalque's claim is a reaction test
Town!menal openly claims it without giving me a chance to talk to him in there first?
Scum!menal openly claims it because??
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how is it +scum EV to fakeclaim neighbour? when it's proven fake it creates /more/ pressure on menal"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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it was an open setup called Noir Mafia.In post 406, shellyc wrote:hmmmmmm okay
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i have no idea how it's +EV for anyone to fakeclaim neighbour at the start of Day 1. I love a gambit, but that's pushing it even for my tastes.In post 411, shellyc wrote:how is it +scum EV to fakeclaim neighbour? when it's proven fake it creates /more/ pressure on menalShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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In post 246, Noraa wrote:I want to say shelly voting me for reasons she knows very well don't apply since that is my play style means she is scum.
i'd expect shelly to have meta with town!you too in order to see if something is "playstyle" or not? (though if you can't talk about it, don't)In post 248, Noraa wrote:I was scum with shelly my first game of mafia
hot take on mena/golden bussing discussion (249, 252) is that even if noraa/BM do turn out to be s/s i wouldn't classify that as a hardbus exactly because it's so early game and how often does it go early game wagon > execution, it'd be harddistance more than a bus
agreed they're unlikely s/s but not because of "hurr durr hardbus"
what do you mean when you say fence-sitty? like taking a stance on a conflict is... the opposite of that?In post 261, shellyc wrote:I think saying tvt on the major conflict is quite fence-sitty but waiting for an elaboration
oh hello @pi
can you pls acknowledge my 223
also do you have meta/history with BM?
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The voices in my gut call me daddy.In post 274, shellyc wrote:the voices of my gut tell me it's forced
not necessarily related to anything so far but obligatory theoretical disagreement on the first bitIn post 286, Noraa wrote:Generally town couldn't care less if u dislike them. [snip]
However if BM is scum, Bob isn't and vice versa bc I cannot see a world where both are scum
what anti-partnery thing did you see in bob/BM?
BM's entrance was bad?In post 298, Noraa wrote:Ok here's the thing. I didn't like the entrance but I'm not quite too sure why or how to describe why its wrong. Does anyone wish to explain precisely why BM's entrance was bad?
98 ("There has been zero other content") implied (or so i thought/think) that a "lack of content" at that stage is scummy, wanted to pry into that. would've circled around to "but BM has given an opinion on me/mena", but i don't think i got a reposnse (?)In post 316, teacher wrote:
Odd reaction, given that BM also provided actual content related to you-mena as well as just Noraa.In post 113, Datisi wrote:the game is on like page 5 though. would you expect any actual content from him by now?
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i did skim ahead, i saw you call me scum or something
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man i hope this game calms down a bit
Noraa is oozing newbtown and Ico somehow being the only other person to see this is also giving me strong townvibes.
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this sounds like super forced?In post 220, piisirrational wrote:-I'm townleaning BM a bit because most of his posts are things I'd more likely see coming from town!BM than scum!BM. Just a gut feeling at the moment. Could change though.
i agree with both of these takes. pii seems weirdly nervous about calling BM town, bob absolutely does not feel like he is trying to sort Nora with his questioning, it feels like he knows she is town and is trying to manipulate her into saying something incriminating.In post 284, Alonzo wrote:VOTE: Bob
I get the feeling noraa Vs BM continuing benefits Bob, I don't interpret his posting as him truly trying to guide noraa there.
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I actually kind of liked Alonzo’s whole progression there. Like, if you’re scum who’s bandwagoning onto me then you pick a reason that will stand up to some scrutiny. There weren’t enough votes for it to be part of an attempt to quickwagon me.In post 323, teacher wrote:I found Alonzo and Taylor's entries to be the pingiest. Alonzo with a naked vote and then absence, only to call TvT and foist a weak/obviously disprovable vote on Menalque (a slot that had been FoSed by enough to be a potential wagon).
What’s the incentive for scum!alonzo to vote me for a reason he knows won’t hold up only to then back down off it immediately? If I knew him already, I’d say that’s probably a p good way of trying to pocket me, but I don’t. So provided he isn’t scum with like, datisi who told him that’s exactly the sort of thing I’d like, I find his initial answer very likely to be true (skimming, saw something that seemed incongruent, voted based on that, corrected when more information provided) and think it’s actually a p towny thought process"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."- Menalque
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Mm, sorry then i suppose, I don’t think I was getting your sense of humour very wellIn post 382, Battle Mage wrote:In response to Datisi and Menalque calling me arrogant - not actually true, it's mostly just tongue-in-cheek really!
I'm aware my scumhunting record overall is pretty marginal at best, although on my day I can be very good, and am improving with age. I generally do my best work when i don't post so much, however that's also less fun!
Also I want to say I’ve read a couple of games by you fairly recently and your reads were noticeably above average in both, which is why you being wrong on me is comparatively more concerning"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."- Menalque
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Yeh, I don’t think reading it as TvT is /necessarily/ scum!indicative. I /do/ think that saying you think it’s TvT and then voting a slot completely unrelated to anything that’s happened so far in the game is, and I do think it’s /somewhat/ scum indicative to say it’s TvT after some of the posts Taylor made catching upIn post 390, Battle Mage wrote:I don't think reading me and Noraa as both being town is scum-indicative for Taylor. I'd be pretty surprised if a few people didn't take that position. Often, but not always the case, mathematically and empirically speaking."we knew everything... And we knew nothing." - Menalque
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