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All this mechanic talk is why I used to only play open games I still haven't read this setup.
VOTE: pine because he's scum but I have a few things I wanna discuss
Hydra seems quiet today, internal strife?
Albert B. makes me nervous. More of a feeling.
I would vote Cmod if setup didn't point to cmod town.
Tempted to stake my life on ydrasse town
Last edited by lilith2013 on Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:45 am, edited 1 time in total.Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
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VOTECOUNT2.005PLAYERNAMECURRENTVOTESSTRENGTHSPEEDKNOWLEDGEPLAYERNAMEGamma EmeraldNone EL-7324Gamma EmeraldSirCakezNone EL-7233SirCakezCreativeMod1None EL-7333CreativeMod1Albert B. RampageFun and Games, PenguinPower EL-5333Albert B. RampagePineSirCakez, Gamma Emerald, I Keep Siteflaking, Albert B. Rampage, Ydrasse, JohnnyFarrar EL-1334PineBingleCreativeMod1 EL-6333BingleNosferatuNone EL-7331NosferatuI Keep SiteflakingNone EL-7333I Keep SiteflakingPenguinPowerNone EL-7333PenguinPowerFun and GamesNone EL-7333Fun and GamesYdrasseNone EL-7333YdrasseJohnnyFarrarBingle EL-6333JohnnyFarrarNot VotingPine, Nosferatu With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.
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Based on the fact that he lost speed, visited library and 2 labs were activated - not very likely.In post 606, Albert B. Rampage wrote:How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?- JohnnyFarrar
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What makes him better than gamma in this situation then?In post 635, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:Pine is scum because he has 4 knowledge, knowledge makes it easier to activate labs, 2 labs were activated and only scum can activate labs. Also, people don't townread him and since our friends ended day 1 quickly, we are still in late RVS. At least where it comes to non-mechanical stuff.
How do you feel about cmod?I Keep Siteflaking wrote:Scum don't have night kill. Actually, town have more night actions than scum, so night phase is somewhat as good for town as scum. Which means that there are 3-4 scum. My theory is 3 scum + traitor/ 3p or 4 scum.Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
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Note: this game had nightstart
Gamma recieved knowledge today. Scum decreased knowledge of Nosferatu (he claimed), so if Nos is town, Gamma had to visit library. If Nos is town, he will die soon, so it is self resolving. Cmod went exploring and recieved item -> didn't activate lab. Also, he claimed ability to be able to raise 1 stat. I scum could make a better use of that ability that to claim.
@cmodwhat did you do n0?
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How do you know scum attacked you and not a townie?In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The fact two labs ended up being activated is why I had the thought now. Before then it would have merely been conjecture, as stats likely have several uses. With that evidence of the labs, it becomes a situation of “what enabled them to activate 2 in one night?”, which is where my thoughts come in.In post 592, Ydrasse wrote:gamma, i have to ask: was this not on your mind d1...? there were a few people who had increased knowledge (pine/gb) and yet you didn't end up voting either of them and instead ended on sircakez. is this theory something that occured to you like, after d1?
I was also attacked by scum last night, so I’m more inclined to present any information I think is helpful now versus later.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Explicitly they did not. I attempted and failed to destroy the lab N0, and claimed as such in the thread.In post 615, Fun and Games wrote:also knowing what we now know about the scum having a room-blocking ability - I think it is likely that the first lab remained inactivated after N1 because scum used their roomblocker to keep out anyone who may have tried to destroy the lab - if this is true and nobody reported it, that kind of implies nobody tried to destroy the lab? which is kind of funny in some ways.
@JF: Pine is neither very towny nor scummy by play. He's been absent, as is normal for Pine. Gamma's argument that scum needed an increased knowledge to consistently activate Labs and thus Pine is scum is interesting, but that's really not a slam dunk scumcase, and the wagon speed and the characterization of Pine as a consensus scumread are both interesting. Does anyone actually scumread Pine based on something that isn't Gamma's case?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I'm tinfoiling that GE is scum atm, FWIW.
I have absolutely no intention to vote him, but his claimed role is supposedly worded pretty strangely. We also theoretically had a 60% chance of destroying the N0 lab if both he and I attacked it and did not. Additionally, if town has a method of throwing someone at a lab every night with no real drawbacks, the lab wincon becomes increasingly difficult for scum.
GE should be largely self resolving though. If he's town scum can't afford to leave him around to potentially blow up a lab and get pseudoconftown status, so they're going to have to prioritize taking him out.
Was anyone other than me against coordinating our night actions onto specific rooms? I seem to remember someone pushing for a preemptive massclaim of action targets and I want to go back to that, but don't have time to hunt it down atm."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I'd assumed as such, and am willing to wait to hear your reason until you get your responses. I was more interested in the rest of the players, tbh.In post 641, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I do. But scum are probably definitely on this wagon and it moved really fast, hence the questions"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I want to examine this question more closely. Where did scum use their knowledge modifier N2? How do you know if Gamma really visited the library, rather than giving himself the +1 knowledge right before activating a lab?In post 631, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:
Based on the fact that he lost speed, visited library and 2 labs were activated - not very likely.In post 606, Albert B. Rampage wrote:How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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Why didn't Gamma attempt to destroy the lab?In post 642, Bingle wrote:I have absolutely no intention to vote him, but his claimed role is supposedly worded pretty strangely. We also theoretically had a 60% chance of destroying the N0 lab if both he and I attacked it and did not.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- Albert B. Rampage
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If Pine flips town, Gamma should be scum, as it fits into how scum would strategically use their knowledge modifier N0 and N1. But Pine hasn't done anything day 2 that makes me think that he's town or that he will even be useful to gamesolving later on.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.- JohnnyFarrar
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