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[bugspray]

Btw i hope this isn't an dupe. I played a game with basically caught scum talking for ages about how they were going to do a wall but they never did anything. In the end we just lynched them and they flipped scum.

i have done this

[Noraa]

I will do a wall dont you worry. I will also hard claim in that wall and include my explanation of why I did a few things.

[bugspray]

can you give a preview

[Noraa]

no bc I feel like im just gonna get quickhammered before I even get to explain.
and even if I get quick hammered by scum, they can just blame it all on a dead BM and no one can do anything.

[Mundivore]

Noraa, I don't even need you to believe I'm town, so it doesn't matter if I can convince you or not. I simply want you to look at who else we can elim today.

This is pretty damning imo.
VOTE: Noraa

Absolutely.

Okay, I missed the claiming action that was going on. That's sort of weird. I could go for PLUS, I could also quite happily go for Norwee here. If this is TvT, then it's really tragic, but it really heavily reads as TvS to me.

Why TvS?

the TvS read is so weird to me on day 1. what makes you believe that discussion is more likely to be TvS? you said the same about me and tayl0rs discussion. Like I understand having an independent scumread on someone, but I am not sure I really follow the logic that any of these day 1 discussions are more likely to be town vs scum

I agree with this. Shelly comes across as the type of player who is willing to make these sorts of guesses based on intuition though.

This is me growing suspicious of Mundivore at days end. He never returned to the thread, so I never got to develop this suspicion.

I'll be honest? I completely forget why I had that read.

if noora is scum i can definitely see mundivore being scum with her, but i am not really sold on the UNOwen case

I want to argue against that very badly based on the reasons that 1) I'm not scum; 2) I think Noraa is obvscum here. But I don't really have anything better than that.

so yeah only 2 possibilities remain really
1. we have sk, and they killed bm to frame noraa. unlikely
2. we have an absentminded vig who shot bm and they haven't woken up or won't claim (unlikely)

I'm pretty sure that serial killers aren't Normal in mini games? So I don't think that's the case.

If there is a vig, do you think their claim is worth it? Miselims are bad, but are they as bad as losing a vig? This is a legit question, I'm unsure. My gut says the claim is worth, but I don't know for sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If there is a vig, do you think their claim is worth it?

If the vig is so bad that they target one of BM/Taylor who both said they could confirm their role. I'd rather they just claim and die tbh.

[UNOwen]

Dave who do you think is scum?

[PlusJOYED]

If there is a vig, do you think their claim is worth it?

If the vig is so bad that they target one of BM/Taylor who both said they could confirm their role. I'd rather they just claim and die tbh.

agreed

[davesaz]

Dave who do you think is scum?

My current scumreads are Noraa and Mundivore.
Slight scumlean on you.

[Hectic]

I'm rereading Jacko with the knowledge his scumgame is insane and I'm a lot less sure about that townread now.

Noraa is generally more stiff as scum because she's new, she's more loose here and she's probably Town.

This stands out.

I also have some doubts on his reaction to shelly supposedly revealing as IC way back then.

REVEAL AS INNOCENT CHILD

we were townVtown-ing all along.

This post really looks like a joke to me. Especially with the orange part.

Looking through Noraa's ISO, interestingly enough, she never gives a read there all the way up till his replaceout. She's plenty vocal on shelly but never weighs in on Jack or his side of the conflict, which is partner-indicative.

Oh, and then 981 comes out where she admits she doesn't have a read on Jack but is putting him in the townbook because she likes his personality. Yeah, that's not a good sign.

Once Dave replaces that slot, she doesn't ever state any kind of opinion on read on him, up and until 3232, which is just no comment, but that's a readlist that came after she should know she's going down, so whatever.

[Hectic]

I will do a wall dont you worry. I will also hard claim in that wall and include my explanation of why I did a few things.

can you give a preview

I'm not Noraa but I'm a big advocate of walls so I can try constructing one on her behalf.

I worked really hard on this one so please make sure you analyse the whole thing.

Spoiler:

[davesaz]

Hectic, I'm slightly confused by the last part of 3259.

4. PlusJOYED replaces JacksonVirgo
6. davesaz replaces MiniMegabyte

[shellyc]

another possibility could be a busdriver or something similar.

driver is not normal

[shellyc]

but for that you need to claim right now

noraa in scum PT: guys help what do I claim???

[shellyc]

so yeah only 2 possibilities remain really
1. we have sk, and they killed bm to frame noraa. unlikely
2. we have an absentminded vig who shot bm and they haven't woken up or won't claim (unlikely)

SK / multiball isnt possible in mini normals any more aorn

[shellyc]

I was ralph %_%

I only read around 5% of the game until the final 2 day phases, where I tried to claw it back, but alas.

what the fuck?

that was terrible spelling from you. btw thanks for calling scum!me obvtown

[shellyc]

I will be evaluating ~mostly~ based off of yesterday cuz today was just town hard tunneling me and I'm not too interested in repeating what I already said or attack people forming reads on me bc it is the logical thing to do - SR me after BM dies.

Norwee is town but overconfident. He lead the Taylor wagon which ultimately got one of our strongest prs killed night 1. Norwee also outed pr which im inclined to believe however if Norwee survives til limlo, he's 99% guaranteed scum cuz scum would know the setup of the mafia team. He could be lying about mafia doc in that case or it could be his buddy. Who knows.

Shelly has been all over the place this game with sheeping, sussing, tunneling, SRing, and TRing. She's been a huge mess this round and I mean this in the least offensive way possible. Whether or not she's scum, I cant be sure but if she survives til like limlo, she's 99% guaranteed scum.

Hectic isn't tunneling me which is really really strange considering rn if I was in any other position, I would be sussing the fuck out of my slot. I feel that is the normal townie thing to do which is making me reconsider whether Hectic is just trying to look at the big picture or trying to interact with me to set up tomorrows mislim thru me or pocket me in case I dont end up dying. Ur a slight scum lean rn.

Duppin seems very levelheaded this round and I would say he's likely town. He is a rational decision maker and definitely isn't overly confident which is a good thing for town to have. I dont have much there and I understand that he had some ~scummy~ moments but overall I get town vibes there. I can quote some posts but really just the majority of his posts are very naturally towny and im definitely trusting my gut on this one.

Bugs is still scummy as fuck. The first post that didnt seem that scummy was literally sheeping everyone else's SR on me. I'm sorry but I hate that his best post(imo) is 1)130 pages into the game and 2)100% sheeping all the posts before it. Hectic says he's town but im having a hard time seeing town!bugs. If bugs flips red anytime during this game, look into Hectic. Hectic will be very very likely scum in that case.

Plus is just sheeping everyone just like bugs but I've played with plus before and that is normal plusiness. He is easy to pocket and sway which is why even if he makes it to limlo, I would argue he's likely town unless town has a ton of evidence to prove otherwise.

Uno has good reads overall. I think this slot's town. Not much of an explanation here cuz he's not a frequent poster.

and Dave I have no idea on. They've been pretty quiet but the aggression shown when sussing me seems town to me. idk not much here. just like uno, they dont post much so idk its difficult to read.

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scum!Bug at this point is spectacularly bad

[davesaz]

<crickets>

[shellyc]

so yeah only 2 possibilities remain really
1. we have sk, and they killed bm to frame noraa. unlikely
2. we have an absentminded vig who shot bm and they haven't woken up or won't claim (unlikely)

I was ralph %_%

I only read around 5% of the game until the final 2 day phases, where I tried to claw it back, but alas.

I will be evaluating ~mostly~ based off of yesterday cuz today was just town hard tunneling me and I'm not too interested in repeating what I already said or attack people forming reads on me bc it is the logical thing to do - SR me after BM dies.

Norwee is town but overconfident. He lead the Taylor wagon which ultimately got one of our strongest prs killed night 1. Norwee also outed pr which im inclined to believe however if Norwee survives til limlo, he's 99% guaranteed scum cuz scum would know the setup of the mafia team. He could be lying about mafia doc in that case or it could be his buddy. Who knows.

Shelly has been all over the place this game with sheeping, sussing, tunneling, SRing, and TRing. She's been a huge mess this round and I mean this in the least offensive way possible. Whether or not she's scum, I cant be sure but if she survives til like limlo, she's 99% guaranteed scum.

Hectic isn't tunneling me which is really really strange considering rn if I was in any other position, I would be sussing the fuck out of my slot. I feel that is the normal townie thing to do which is making me reconsider whether Hectic is just trying to look at the big picture or trying to interact with me to set up tomorrows mislim thru me or pocket me in case I dont end up dying. Ur a slight scum lean rn.

Duppin seems very levelheaded this round and I would say he's likely town. He is a rational decision maker and definitely isn't overly confident which is a good thing for town to have. I dont have much there and I understand that he had some ~scummy~ moments but overall I get town vibes there. I can quote some posts but really just the majority of his posts are very naturally towny and im definitely trusting my gut on this one.

Bugs is still scummy as fuck. The first post that didnt seem that scummy was literally sheeping everyone else's SR on me. I'm sorry but I hate that his best post(imo) is 1)130 pages into the game and 2)100% sheeping all the posts before it. Hectic says he's town but im having a hard time seeing town!bugs. If bugs flips red anytime during this game, look into Hectic. Hectic will be very very likely scum in that case.

Plus is just sheeping everyone just like bugs but I've played with plus before and that is normal plusiness. He is easy to pocket and sway which is why even if he makes it to limlo, I would argue he's likely town unless town has a ton of evidence to prove otherwise.

Uno has good reads overall. I think this slot's town. Not much of an explanation here cuz he's not a frequent poster.

and Dave I have no idea on. They've been pretty quiet but the aggression shown when sussing me seems town to me. idk not much here. just like uno, they dont post much so idk its difficult to read.

I'm rereading Jacko with the knowledge his scumgame is insane and I'm a lot less sure about that townread now.

Noraa is generally more stiff as scum because she's new, she's more loose here and she's probably Town.

This stands out.

I also have some doubts on his reaction to shelly supposedly revealing as IC way back then.

REVEAL AS INNOCENT CHILD

we were townVtown-ing all along.

This post really looks like a joke to me. Especially with the orange part.

Looking through Noraa's ISO, interestingly enough, she never gives a read there all the way up till his replaceout. She's plenty vocal on shelly but never weighs in on Jack or his side of the conflict, which is partner-indicative.

Oh, and then 981 comes out where she admits she doesn't have a read on Jack but is putting him in the townbook because she likes his personality. Yeah, that's not a good sign.

Once Dave replaces that slot, she doesn't ever state any kind of opinion on read on him, up and until 3232, which is just no comment, but that's a readlist that came after she should know she's going down, so whatever.

hey Dave, who’d you bet noraa’s partners are?

would like to hear from you

[Hectic]

Hectic, I'm slightly confused by the last part of 3259.

4. PlusJOYED replaces JacksonVirgo
6. davesaz replaces MiniMegabyte

Whoops lol

I was ralph %_%

I only read around 5% of the game until the final 2 day phases, where I tried to claw it back, but alas.

what the fuck?

that was terrible spelling from you. btw thanks for calling scum!me obvtown

Ja, was a gimmick account. There was a period of 7 days where I posted once and was the only player to not roleclaim but people just didn't care apparently.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ja, was a gimmick account.

Since when did you start replacing the word yes with ja?

[Hectic]

Been a semi-habit since I started playing Secret Hitler

[shellyc]

The Prowess of Scum!Jackson
Exhibit 1: Large Normal 229

my scum WR is up to 80% now

[shellyc]

(my town WR is 0%)

@hectic thoughts on the matter of mundivore's slot? do you see what I see?

[Hectic]

Are you winning in this game?