Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Alonzo]

Still lots of fun to be had

[Noraa]

noraa, if we wanna win this

there is gonna come a point at which we are gonna have to work together

reread my interactions with you and tell me straight you think that i'm scum trying to manipulate you?

yeah ur scum. I still think that. is that a problem?

I think scum messed with his night actions

they did not. there are no roles allowed in normal games that can do this in the way you're thinking.

i think i've pieced together what seems to have happened from the message Mena said he got:

BM saw 1789 from Taylor, then either didn't see or didn't believe her very next post explaining that that one was a joke and took the softclaim of "you wont lunch me due to my role" at face value. so when he checked her and was told she was vanilla, he thought he'd caught scum.

then he misrepresented his results to the rest of us instead of letting anyone have a chance to maybe figure out his mistake because BM being wrong is completely inconceivable to BM.

OH. well ... I didn't piece that together myself well.

goddammit ico i can't blindly sheep that read
i'll have to actually read those posts ig

hm. my issue with that is that BM after yesterday looked like both a perfect execution bait and a perfect vig shot and i don't get why any scum here would choose to like, shoot BM

pedit: well yes but actually no
i was talking about your "vig shoots noraa n1" line, tho maybe i'm biased because the last 3 vigis i saw in normal games were novice
and yeah, i don't see why scum kills a surefire d3 execution

What's novice mean? is that like odd day or even day or weak or whatever?
exactly. I'm glad someone agrees that scum wouldn't kill bm. I had one hell of a time trying to convince myself I wasn't insane while ico over here was like no there's no vig Noraa ur theorys stupid.

in what world do scum see BM claim cop with a guilty on a VT and assume that he is actually a cop

I think it doesn't matter whether or not scum believed the claim. cuz either was town would've limmed him today regardless of anything he said so scum wouldn't kill him. idc I'm sticking by my theory cuz I think its right. if no vig claims then I'll have to rethink my theory but either way I think I'm right.

assuming there is a vig tho, without a single shred of credible evidence, is laughable

if you truly have to believe there is a vig just because a NK doesn't make a ton of sense TO YOU, it's just bad

I think it's good.

Alonzo

VT

TheGoldenParadox

VT

Iconeum
iamausername

VT

Datisi

VT

teacher
bob3141
Noraa

VT

Menalque

Me, teacher, bob and mena still to go

Teacher
bob
Mena
Ico

in this order i think

so everyones gonna tell me that besides 3 fucking people left, everyone is a vanilla townie. wtf. no.

[Noraa]

These vanilla townie claims have some bs mixed in
I will die before believing there are this many vanilla townies.
idc what u say ico bc vts are somewhat rare. there is zero way there are this many.

[Noraa]

Also Ico I dont care if ur more experienced. You dont get to discredit my opinions bc I'm inexperienced.

[Menalque]

Night 2 has ended

Battle Mage was found dead, he was...

Spoiler:

Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop

Welcome ! You are a

Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop

You may each night, target a player, you will both
- make the moderator send them a private message of your choice, this message will be specified as coming from another player
-check if the player you target is a Vanilla role or not

Your Goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

It is now day 3

I guess game designers are finally listening to implo:

Today's modern mafia consumer demands dozens, nay, hundreds of roles that are vanilla cops

[bob3141]

catching up now. was busy yesterday helping getting the house read for plaster coming today

[bob3141]

should i claim now or after teacher?

[bob3141]

ico

[bob3141]

assuming there is a vig tho, without a single shred of credible evidence, is laughable

if you truly have to believe there is a vig just because a NK doesn't make a ton of sense TO YOU, it's just bad

had a agem once where the vig kept killing the town prs

n1 he shot backup gunsmith. so did scum
n2 he shot teh gunsmith so did scum
n3 he shot obvous town skitter. wasnt till then we had 2 nks

Shame bm got nk by scum as i have feelign he could have been confirmed day 3. with that role combo he had. No way would a scum wouldplayer have had a Miscellaneous and Role Investigation role combo.

[Alonzo]

assuming there is a vig tho, without a single shred of credible evidence, is laughable

if you truly have to believe there is a vig just because a NK doesn't make a ton of sense TO YOU, it's just bad

had a agem once where the vig kept killing the town prs

n1 he shot backup gunsmith. so did scum
n2 he shot teh gunsmith so did scum
n3 he shot obvous town skitter. wasnt till then we had 2 nks

Shame bm got nk by scum as i have feelign he could have been confirmed day 3. with that role combo he had. No way would a scum wouldplayer have had a Miscellaneous and Role Investigation role combo.

Reads please Bob

[bob3141]

Guess i might as well claim now. never been a patient one.

Im a follower

n1 alonzo no action
n2 battlemage Miscellaneous Role Investigation

thought that alonzo hammer was suspect. Ended teh day way to early and without any intent. Instead he just lolhammered.

Visited bm to be sure that i was right on him being town. As my gut was telling me when taylor flipped green that it was going to be repeat of a50v cliff. Which ended up with 2 consecutive town lynches. If bm was town he would prob show up either no action (if scum) or if i was rigth on him Misc or misc pus something.

[Noraa]

Whats a follower?

[iamausername]

Whats a follower?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Follower

UNVOTE: bob

unless there's a whole lot of power in teacher and Ico's claims, bob probably has to be town here. re-evaluation is required.

bob, did you put out any crumbs at all?

[Noraa]

Wait so BM got targeted by a Miscellaneous and a Role investigation?

My question is 1) does follower pick up scum actions(ex: scum kill, scum role block, etc)?
2) role investigation is the follower right?
3) if so, what is considered miscellaneous?

[Noraa]

Nvm this ins' voyeur

[Noraa]

*isnt

[Noraa]

Whats a follower?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Follower

UNVOTE: bob

unless there's a whole lot of power in teacher and Ico's claims, bob probably has to be town here. re-evaluation is required.

bob, did you put out any crumbs at all?

I dont agree with this.
Bob's night 2 actions are definitely correct. No shit. BM literally just died and I would assume cop is the investigative and misc is the mailman. What use is that? As for night 1, either Alonzo is his scum buddy or scum have some sort of tracker or whatever that checked alonzo night 1 and they r using that to pocket alonzo. This is the perspective looking from a scum!bob pov. His claim gave us zero new info and that leads me to believe he might not be what he claims to be.

[Noraa]

Everything just perfectly seems to make sense based off of what we know but we learn absolutely nothing new. Im having a hard time believing this claim. just no.

[bob3141]

i dont crumb. im awful at it.

Every time ive crumbed before they got spotted by scum day one. So i only crumb if i have hard result. e.g. i was backup blocker once. and i only crumbed once i spotted the nk had been blocked. so hard pushed for any roleblocker claim to be believed. As worse case if i died, then teh rolestopper would have anotehher action anyway


second from last time i crumbed the only players that spotted it was scum. next day i got run up by the entire scum team and flash lynched.
the last time the only player to spoted it was scum and i was nk.

Every time before was similar story

if I crumb i tend to die early to lynch or nk. S

[iamausername]

so you think there are too many VT claims, but you also think the one person who didn’t claim VT (so far) could be scum?

[Noraa]

basically yes username

[Noraa]

too many vt claims = there's def scum in there

bobs claim kinda equals scum claim imo. I dont like the claim. sorry but just no.

[Iconeum]

Makes perfect sense with what I know

[Iconeum]

Can someone plz tell Nora's VT isn't rare

[Noraa]

its the fact that it fits in too perfectly that makes me really question bob