if we think we're wrong -> re-evaluate theres a point where the chain has to stop and i feel no need to post every single part of the re-evaluationIn post 724, Bell wrote:I dunno, you’ve seen the follies of people enough and you’ve been scum enough to know how often we are to be wrong.
Though there’s a lot of players that are like that and keep on truckin’
So meh.
The charisma thing I feel plays more into early day phases and irl mafia than online mafia. But off topic
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If you don't think charisma is a dominating force in forum mafia, I think you're wrong, but I think you're probably wrong because you're not defining charisma broadly enough rather than disagreeing about the kind of posting winning the games. Some players have an extremely low rate of being executed on both sides of alignment. Most of them are also good at protecting partners and finding scum, but some of them aren't, but it's a huge boost to winrate to always survive either way."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I don't have terrible readsIn post 727, Bell wrote:Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.
I think my read accuracy > ability to obvtown any day as town"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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we should make an MD thread about this someday
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This is the meta reason:In post 721, shellyc wrote: ok why do you think the logic is weak because meta itself is quite compelling
If LLD scum always tries to avoid a player and they have enough experience together for this to be a thing, then it probably would have come up before and so LLD scum would know to play around it. It sounds like kind of a weak tell to try and take out the most proactive player and yourself over.In post 564, Isis wrote:The iso doesn't matter. LLD doesn't want to interact with me whenever she's scum and she passed up an opportunity to interact with me. She's probably scum- shellyc
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but why would scum ever try and miselim a proactive player when they have a nightkillIn post 731, UNOwen wrote:If LLD scum always tries to avoid a player and they have enough experience together for this to be a thing, then it probably would have come up before and so LLD scum would know to play around it. It sounds like kind of a weak tell to try and take out the most proactive player and yourself over.
wait
scum don't have a nightkill
this makes sense uno you're good"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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but i guess scum could just vengekill a proactive player but scum lose their NK after that
so conclusion this is a super townsided step woohoo"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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At some point I will have opinions that are more substantial and worth offering without request. But the game has just started, and it is going at a good pace, so I see no reason to rush.In post 720, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:To get back to you, UNOwen, I think you could opine on /literally any slot except the universal punching bag/? I mean, you are taking /no stands/ here. I don't even expect your vote to move, I expect you to have anything at all to talk about with this 20 player game OTHER than the player that's been talked about to death.
Your slot is content free. Content. Free. You have taken no stand worth remarking on, you have chimed on on zero non-Noraa events of any sort, you have posted no reads that aren't the single easiest elimination/miselimination possible in this entire game. UNOwen, if I didn't know better I'd say you weren't playing this game at all, and that you're on the player list by mistake and using the opportunity to dunk on Noraa. /That isn't a compliment./- shellyc
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UNO i would like these names arranged in order of town -> scum
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It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.In post 731, UNOwen wrote:
This is the meta reason:In post 721, shellyc wrote: ok why do you think the logic is weak because meta itself is quite compelling
If LLD scum always tries to avoid a player and they have enough experience together for this to be a thing, then it probably would have come up before and so LLD scum would know to play around it. It sounds like kind of a weak tell to try and take out the most proactive player and yourself over.In post 564, Isis wrote:The iso doesn't matter. LLD doesn't want to interact with me whenever she's scum and she passed up an opportunity to interact with me. She's probably scum
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up aneleventhof the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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There’s a lot that factors into that .In post 729, shellyc wrote:
I don't have terrible readsIn post 727, Bell wrote:Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.
I think my read accuracy > ability to obvtown any day as town
Most of us are content with being accurate but unable to convince others that’s the case.
Though I feel like if you can’t show your work you’re probably not going to be that accurate in the first place and just having a reputation for being accurate gives you a lot of pull.
@shelyc, didn’t I ask about that. And didn’t you start the game out by joke scum claiming that you had a day vig, which in this game only scum have? Well, I think it was an rtc
But because mountainous.
Hmm.
I really son’t Think this is town sided in terms of set up since essentially we have no way to mechanically clear any player.
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im getting major gut townvibes from hopkirk btw, based on the resistance to leashing, the pushing on noraa and reasonable TRs"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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Now I like this task.In post 735, shellyc wrote:UNO i would like these names arranged in order of town -> scum
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Like sometimes when you are good at scum you realize "I need to do X thing and that one person will definitely scumread me for it but everyone else will townread me for it so it doesn't matter""Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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we effectively deny scum an NK if we hit scum on the last passIn post 737, Bell wrote:
There’s a lot that factors into that .In post 729, shellyc wrote:
I don't have terrible readsIn post 727, Bell wrote:Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.
I think my read accuracy > ability to obvtown any day as town
Most of us are content with being accurate but unable to convince others that’s the case.
Though I feel like if you can’t show your work you’re probably not going to be that accurate in the first place and just having a reputation for being accurate gives you a lot of pull.
@shelyc, didn’t I ask about that. And didn’t you start the game out by joke scum claiming that you had a day vig, which in this game only scum have? Well, I think it was an rtc
But because mountainous.
Hmm.
I really son’t Think this is town sided in terms of set up since essentially we have no way to mechanically clear any player.
It’s pure scum hunting with the caveat that scum can’t shoot their partners."I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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why is mush that high though"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Well two games experience certainly doesn't sound like enough to establish a pattern.In post 736, Isis wrote: It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up aneleventhof the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players.
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oh are you still thinking of the possibility of noraa townIn post 743, Isis wrote:I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though
noraa's whole iso screams LAMISS*
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I’d rather take the heat and have scum Noraa scrolled than have no heat and a town Noraa scrolled.In post 743, Isis wrote:I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though- shellyc
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I’d rather take the heat and have scum Noraa scrolled than have no heat and a town Noraa scrolled.In post 743, Isis wrote:I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though
noIn post 744, UNOwen wrote:
Well two games experience certainly doesn't sound like enough to establish a pattern.In post 736, Isis wrote: It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up aneleventhof the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players.
If you're playing with a player who has a scum tell on you that you can easily counter, then it is surely correct play to just do that?
based on my vast experience playing scum
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