Aggressive swinging reminds me of her town play when we played together. In that game I thought that her behaviour was very unlikely to be fake able by scum, it looks like she is on the same path. The Taylor read she has also calls back to that game, and I think it is honest based on how they interacted then.
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Reeee why is this insightful.
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Here we learn that shelly thinks that should is is, but I guess that depends on what your definition of is is.
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Not fencesitting. I think you're failing to make me think your town since there are red letters in your roll pm.In post 688, Bell wrote:Zdenek: I genuinely don’t know what you want me to say from that post. It just looks like you’re fence sitting.I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.- Bell
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Why would LLD not engaging with you lead to everyone else town reading her though?In post 740, Isis wrote:Like sometimes when you are good at scum you realize "I need to do X thing and that one person will definitely scumread me for it but everyone else will townread me for it so it doesn't matter"
You have a point that scum might take the trade of being scumread by one to be townread by many, but it's not clear why you think that would be the equation at play here.- shellyc
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The LLD read is a consensus read and not too out of place.In post 751, Bell wrote:Reeee why is this insightful.
The Mush read is well-reasoned and logical
The Pooky read is fine since pooky/isis s/s is possible
I would like you to elaborate on hopkirk tho"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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In post 691, UNOwen wrote:
What's this all about?In post 685, Zdenek wrote: My top three scum reads are Noraa, Owen and Bell.In post 298, UNOwen wrote:Ah yes, I knew that my vote against Noraa would lead to good things.
The wagon looks promising, Noraa's reaction to the pressure has indeed been flaily.
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I don't think I've ever mentioned it before.In post 744, UNOwen wrote:
Well two games experience certainly doesn't sound like enough to establish a pattern.In post 736, Isis wrote: It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up aneleventhof the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players.
If you're playing with a player who has a scum tell on you that you can easily counter, then it is surely correct play to just do that?
I also knew LLD would not consider it valid no matter her role, and when you feel something is invalid you skew even more towards, just do the thing that one weird person doesn't like, the games that aren't rigged are easier to beat.
I don't think you're solving, because the goalposts here should clearly be at "I believe Isis believes this" rather than "Isis is right to believe this", because "2 games isn't actually enough evidence" is a very good argument that in a disciplined scientific way it's flawed but it should be pretty obvious a human you don't know very well could be rather convinced from just a couple games.
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Not fencesitting. I think you're failing to make me think your town since there are red letters in your roll pm.In post 688, Bell wrote:Zdenek: I genuinely don’t know what you want me to say from that post. It just looks like you’re fence sitting.- MURDERCAT
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I'm town for immediately jumping on Noraa with no remorse when she flips scum, but also because memesIn post 353, shellyc wrote:why is murder town btw, entrance doesn't really ping either way- shellyc
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bell is your name unoIn post 759, Bell wrote:Hopkirk I just have trouble reading through the rhymes because i’m not enjoying him like I usually would due to anhedonia."I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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Hopkirk asked about the specifics of what Noraa said in discord. I expect that this is one place where Noraa might be correct - as in she only mentioned Hectic as a mod being exciting or whatever and nothing about setup - but don't think it makes her reaction to the wagon any less scummy so Hopkirk investigating something that looked like a dead end pinged slightly.In post 756, shellyc wrote: I would like you to elaborate on hopkirk tho- shellyc
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i can see uno's logic thoIn post 760, Isis wrote:I don't think you're solving, because the goalposts here should clearly be at "I believe Isis believes this" rather than "Isis is right to believe this", because "2 games isn't actually enough evidence" is a very good argument that in a disciplined scientific way it's flawed but it should be pretty obvious a human you don't know very well could be rather convinced from just a couple games.
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that two people who know each other's meta well would adapt to get a TR
it's not really scumpingy at all
plus UNO's reads are rather good"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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Well, pooky has floated it, that's what I'm responding to. I'm not sure whether it was shot down. If it was, I don't think it was done convincingly.In post 700, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:I saw like one person even float a Tayl0r-Noraa team here
I haven't read about 1/2 the game. So I'm ok with my stances at the moment. Sometimes, I ask questions just to interact with people to see how they feel to me, and sometimes that's helpful.In post 700, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Zdenek, have you considered that asking game advancing questions might be better for the town? Or being more specific if you absolutely have to ask questions that don't help sort slots? Maybe taking any kind of strong stand at all?I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.- shellyc
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In post 764, UNOwen wrote:Hopkirk asked about the specifics of what Noraa said in discord. I expect that this is one place where Noraa might be correct - as in she only mentioned Hectic as a mod being exciting or whatever and nothing about setup - but don't think it makes her reaction to the wagon any less scummy so Hopkirk investigating something that looked like a dead end pinged slightly.hectic is a rather boring moddon't modkill me
an investigative mindset leans town though, it's not making something out of nothing, it's quite clearly a solving mindset"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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She did it in a couple games (wait, actually 3?) so it must have furthered her wincon somehow. I'm not sure how, she's levels above me, but I'm guessing the kind of topics I tend to bring up aren't ones that are easy to engage with in a way that lets her "perform town". Like, bad lines to start an improv skit with, that kind of sense. I don't think I'm a brilliant scumhunter she's scared of, that's for sure.In post 755, UNOwen wrote:
Why would LLD not engaging with you lead to everyone else town reading her though?In post 740, Isis wrote:Like sometimes when you are good at scum you realize "I need to do X thing and that one person will definitely scumread me for it but everyone else will townread me for it so it doesn't matter"
You have a point that scum might take the trade of being scumread by one to be townread by many, but it's not clear why you think that would be the equation at play here."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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At this point we are probably treating Noraa as scum so she can just pass to LLD without much costIn post 371, Isis wrote:In post 139, Bell wrote:Why hasn’t LLD been vigged yet.
I feel like if I were scum I would have sent that message in yesterday.- shellyc
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because it opens up the opportunity for LLD to hit scum on that last passIn post 770, MURDERCAT wrote:At this point we are probably treating Noraa as scum so she can just pass to LLD without much cost"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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Kinda agree with bell tbhIn post 382, shellyc wrote:...
asking for reads = scummy
paranoia = scummy
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