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[Marky Mark]

Y'all. Force a damn claim already. The time to debate wagons has passed

Agreed. We need to wrap this up before we rush into a poor decision.

Currently 4 DK 4 Geraint 3 Infinity with FL and A50 not voting.

DK just looks really scummy here to me IMO and I'm reluctant to compromise on geraint rn. I think infinitys recent post that I've gone over is pretty scummy but they are still overall a distant 3rd choice.

As A50 and FL aren't voting ATM, I think the priority is for them to put their vote down and we can then solidify around the leading wagon after those two have voted and go through claims etc

[Marky Mark]

Hey DK, I'm sorry you feel upset about how I've interacted with you :S This is meant to be an enjoyable game and I'd never want anyone to feel upset as a result of my actions.

I'm voting/pushing you because I genuinely believe you to be scum. I've tried to make it clear to the rest of the town why I believe this, and have asked you for your reasoning on many occasions, to give you the right of reply. you keep saying that I'm misrepping and gaslighting you, but when I ask you to explain this you deflect the conversation away, so I'm finding it genuinely really hard to interact with you or understand why you feel this way.

Let me try to illustrate this from my POV:

im hungovrt and we should still lim mark the openwolf

Here you make an unsubstantiated accusation against me (btw I still have no idea what 'openwolf' means, I have asked you to explain it before)

ur actually pretty grimy and im a bit upset but ill let it slide cause its a game but consider not borderline gaslighting someone just to get them limmed bc its not ok

..but then you go on to make a borderline personal attack on me by claiming that I'm making unsubstantiated accusations against you, which just confuses me as it makes me feel like you're attacking me on a personal level for things that you yourself are doing.

I genuinely want everyone to enjoy this game and I'm really open to chatting through what it is in particular that I'm doing which you are finding upsetting. I know we have very different playstyles but I just really hope you can see that my push on you is based out of my perceptions of your behaviours in this game and not on some personal level

[VP Baltar]

As A50 and FL aren't voting ATM, I think the priority is for them to put their vote down and we can then solidify around the leading wagon after those two have voted and go through claims etc

+1

A50, need you to pause the catch up and vote to the best of your ability right now. FL, you know what to do.

[Marky Mark]

I'm heading out for a bit - I'm going to wait to see where the A50 and FL votes fall and will then switch across to Geraint if it is clear that wagon has more votes than DK, once A50 and FL are included.

[VP Baltar]

Koba, the reason I think Mark is townish is not because of wall posting. It's because he isn't really coming at you with malice. I know you think he is trying to spin you up, but from the outside it doesn't look like that at all.

I think you're tunneling in the wrong direction at the moment. And this fight isn't useful, imo.

[Infinity 324]

If scum!VP is trying to get townpoints for saying what needs to be said, it's working

[VP Baltar]

If scum!VP is trying to get townpoints for saying what needs to be said, it's working

This feels like some pretty lame smear tactic.

[Infinity 324]

Nah I think you're being towny

[Tayl0r Swift]

(there is no way scum will let one of their own go today)

This looks like he’s trying to tell his partners to not let him go down today. Scum don’t have daytalk, right?

in the post above FL knew scum dont have daytalk. why feign uncertainty here?

[Gamma Emerald]

VPB, I really hope you understand how a game going as fast as this one is rn gives me trouble, and how scum could abuse it to attempt to get me miselimmed.

Why was this directed at me?

Remember how I struggled to respond to Noraa’s push in MafiaSunny? Part of that was due to the game just being too rapid to process the push effectively. This game has recently shifted into an activity level where I have that issue. I think Infinity knows that, and is trying to use it to push me here. I know that this is different to both my old and new ways of handling this type of gamestate as scum, and Infin is at least acquainted with the old way. I think he also remembers how Zyf’s push in my first newbie gave me troubles, and is trying to strike while the iron is hot by doing this.
To break this down, two things tend to make it hard to address pushes on me: the push itself being intense, and being pushed when I don’t have my bearing on the game. In MafiaSunny, both of those things happened at once and I just caved in. In my first newbie, the only issue was the push being intense, and so I was able to bat away a good number of things being thrown at me, and I luckily had Infinity wrangling the rest. Here the key problem is that the game speed is too fast, to the point where a normal push may start feeling like too much. That’s what I think Infinity is trying to abuse.
So the reason I appealed to you was because you’re the main person I think who could understand where I’m coming from.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tinfoil, maybe not so tinfoil:

Gera is messaging out to one of his buddies in that last post because a scum is bussing.

DGB/Gera?

Geraint was pretty worried about bussing and optics in our scumgame together, so this might have merit as a general point. Don’t know how much it points to DGB .

[Gamma Emerald]

I read the rules, unlike most players. And while I often forget, or second guess myself, it's always in the back of my mind that scum don't have daytalk, but there are momentary lapses in that knowledge.

I'm pretty sure it's been brought up multiple times that scum don't have daytalk recently.

Yeah I tend to derp about scum daytalk as both alignments
Only once have I explicitly tried to fake a town tell off of that sort of thing

[VP Baltar]

So the reason I appealed to you was because you’re the main person I think who could understand where I’m coming from.

Interesting. I hadn't thought it that way. If you think this is something infinity is aware of and trying to exploit, that's scummy.

Either way, I'm not letting you get yeeted today

[Gamma Emerald]

If scum!VP is trying to get townpoints for saying what needs to be said, it's working

This feels like some pretty lame smear tactic.

And you just told A50 to do essentially what Infinity is trying to smear me on. Infinity tried to say me voting geraint when I did was opportunistic when I was just putting my money where my mouth was ahead of when I originally wanted to catch up first. And now you are telling A50 to do the same thing I already have done. I think Infinity’s trying to throw out a bit too much shade for his own good.

[Gamma Emerald]

(there is no way scum will let one of their own go today)

This looks like he’s trying to tell his partners to not let him go down today. Scum don’t have daytalk, right?

in the post above FL knew scum dont have daytalk. why feign uncertainty here?

Rhetorical question, most likely

[VP Baltar]

If scum!VP is trying to get townpoints for saying what needs to be said, it's working

This feels like some pretty lame smear tactic.

And you just told A50 to do essentially what Infinity is trying to smear me on. Infinity tried to say me voting geraint when I did was opportunistic when I was just putting my money where my mouth was ahead of when I originally wanted to catch up first. And now you are telling A50 to do the same thing I already have done. I think Infinity’s trying to throw out a bit too much shade for his own good.

Agreed. Don't like it

[Infinity 324]

Gamma, I don't think I've been in a single game with you where you had to catch up. Clearly you are a much more experienced player than when I last played with you, and the idea that I would use info from a completely different situation from your first game

ever

on this site to push you here is absurd.

[Infinity 324]

VP, do you really think scum!me thinks I can mislim gamma here?

[VP Baltar]

VP, do you really think scum!me thinks I can mislim gamma here?

I think if I was scum and in your shoes, I'd be working multiple bets. Goal may not be to lim gamma but rather to cause enough confusion to get a rushed lim at the end of the day that is not you.

[Infinity 324]

I guess, but in that case gamma’s argument still doesn’t make sense. He’s saying that he has particular trouble defending himself when he’s catching up, and I should know because in his first game on the site someone tunneled him. This argument is so illogical I almost think it has to be an emotionally-driven town argument. But it still makes no sense whatsoever.

[geraintm]

I have to confess, I'm still not sure why people are voting for me.

But to help the game along, if people are expecting me to claim if I get closer to being eliminated I am not going to

[VP Baltar]

I have to confess, I'm still not sure why people are voting for me.

But to help the game along, if people are expecting me to claim if I get closer to being eliminated I am not going to

Lol never claiming huh

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: gerain

[Andresvmb]

I’ll catch up here soon. I’ve been a bit distracted with IRL stuff.

[JacksonVirgo]

Id like FL to answer Taylor’s question