In post 4925, Fidget wrote:Apologies if you are indeed town Fred, I didn't intend for that to be the hammer although I doubt I'd have moved my vote.
Meant this as in "apologies for reading you wrong", I want to be clear I'm not blaming you for my bad read, of course.
In post 4918, Adorable wrote:When I look at your town reads these are the players you put as town.
Bell, Mush, Pooky, Noraa, MurderCat, LL, Taylor, Gloria
List of players you put as poe
Fred, shelly, Titus, Adorable, Theta, Lapsa, Flea, UNOwen
Fred said he is town and if I'm to look at your pov removing me on the list then the 5 team from your pov would be somewhere in
shelly, Titus, Theta, Lapsa, Flea, UNOwen
You look a bit confident on your reads and the 6 players I listed above, which player would you remove and put on the town list?
I'm not crazy enough to believe I've got all the scum in there, so it'd probably be a bit pointless to just remove one player. Let me order my reads in intensity and see where that gets me, instead.
I would say Lady, Pooky, Mushy, and Noraa are my highest confidence townreads.
If Lady was willing to trash on town!Isis knowing fully well Isis was town correctly suspecting scum, I am astounded.
Mushy I trust is not able to give this much effort as scum as she and others have pointed out. I have not played with her before, though.
Pooky not playing at all how I'd expect him to. Not a perfect read but I seriously, seriously doubt we see this prickliness, unresponsiveness to scumreads, and the "Town is fucked I'm done here" attitude from him if he's scum.
Noraa is complicated and probably deserves her own post. I actually should review her before townlocking (I have noticed that Noraa has the ability to become globally townread as scum in a different game).
Below them lies Murdercat, Gloria, and Bell.
Quite like Gloria's posts, almost always seem to agree. I am not counting out the possibility she's a strong scum player but I like what I've been seeing.
Had strong reasons to townread them early, but they've been fading out from my mind.
Murdercat I believe is similar to Mushy with regards to scum meta, I'm not sure he would have taken the aggressive "Toog is scum NVM Vax is scum NVM Hopkirk is scum SHIT" stances D1 as scum. I think he is probably genuinely embarrassed and losing the willingness to play as hard. Pooky definitely not helping. I could be wrong and he's just acting that part though, so I cannot be certain yet. Probably should check the original reasons for townreading.
I finally witnessed a scum player getting exceptionally emotional recently. Should probably give Bell a more objective look in the future. For now still a townlean.
Below those tiers is mucky. Probably place Titus up a little as a sheep to people reading her as being on town meta.
I'm left with Taylor, shelly, Theta, Lapsa, Flea, UNOwen, and Fred.
Talked about why I disliked Taylor/shelly
here. I like some things and dislike some things about the two of them, so I feel more comfortable nailing them off of bad interactions with dead scum in conjunction with a scumread.
Haven't reviewed Theta/Flea/UNOwen really beyond checking Theta's Fred interactions and deeming her defense of him suspicious given the timing. I found it suspicious because she gave a blank defense of him when others were starting to voice their defenses of Fred.
Lapsa is Lapsa.
Overall, I'd go something like:
{Lady}
{Pooky, Noraa, Mushy}
{Gloria, Murdercat, Bell}
{Titus}
{Taylor, shellyc, Lapsa(DGB), Flea, UNOwen, Fred, Adorable}
And it was beautiful if Fred was scum. Oh, to answer your actual question: out of Laspa/Titus/Theta/shelly/Flea/UNOwen, I'd remove Titus, barely.