Death Curse

[Fredrick A Campbell]

shellyc, Flea The Magician, Adorable and Gloria Cleary.

[MURDERCAT]

Not LLD?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Would that make any sense?

[Gloria Cleary]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Noraa

All his interaction with me was stupid. I'd concluded that a while ago but I'll put this here and in this ISO dive, I won't be addressing anymore of his posts directed at me because there were all stupid. If anyone really needs an explain, I'll be really annoyed and I might do it depending on how much I like u :3

He’s read the game but his focus is on one person, whilst refraining from looking more widely.
His request for attention and then a follow up vote is very vanilla scum play: “here’s my justification for voting you, you ignored me!”

Actually, I have only read some (not all) of the more recent post other than the first 100 posts of this game.

I can see why scum!fred jumps on me. Especially if the scum team is mostly lurkers and no one is telling him the latest info, I can see why scum!Fred skims a few pages and is like OMG I found LHF!!!!!

VOTE: Pooky

what part of my last few posts sounded like "please go shitpost some more and further clog the thread with irrelevant bullshit" i swear to fuck and YES i recognize im contributing to this HIDEOUS NIGHTMARE but if in the end i make these hyperactive shitposters do something that helps us sort through this mess i think we can all call it a win

...

Ahem.

Go do something /useful/.

USEFUL.

I wouldn't have made such a post, but, yeah, I was secretly annoyed at such a high posting rate.

You know, with 17 players left in this game, I really would appreciate it if everyone only post if they have something meaningful to say. Below is an example of completely inessential conversation that could have been done using the site chat. Please use the site chat for conversations like this. You won't get banned. It's not game related.

what were you drinking shelly?

Bottle of whiskey

straight?

what type of whiskey?

Buddying/sheeping Mush who is clearly somewhat a town leader.

And I just found out that I have received three votes.

LAMIST vibes. Tone is weird. Hard to explain why.

You know, with 17 players left in this game, I really would appreciate it if everyone only post if they have something meaningful to say. Below is an example of completely inessential conversation that could have been done using the site chat. Please use the site chat for conversations like this. You won't get banned. It's not game related.

Fredrick: complains about no game advancing content
Fredrick again: Doesn't give game advancing content at all

You know, I would probably not have posted anything at all since I replaced in precisely because I don't have any game advancing content if it weren't for the fact that I must post every 36 hours or receive a prod. You know why I don't have any game advancing content? I couldn't finish reading the thread and have no idea what is going on when I am forced to skip several pages of posts to keep up. Now, if you will excuse me, I have some more to read.

AtE

So, here we go.

Evidence of Noraa's hemming and hawing on me.

Calling me Null but constantly looking for a way to scumread me that can be deemed as valid, because she's afraid to fabricate a reason and have it be torn down, in my opinion.

But even if you think that assessment of her behaviour is wrong, her behaviour is clear as day.

Here is the evidence.

this stuff is NOT AI for noraa.

I'm not interested in Meta as a defense. It's AI for people, IN GENERAL. She's not special or an exception.

Explain HOW you believe it's not AI. You've been doing this soft Meta defense and not giving anything.

So, will you explain this? It has literally been over a hundred pages, and you're still townreading her.

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

Taylor SR from Fred is extremely out of the blue. I'd honestly argue that red Fred somewhat clears Taylor but idk that might be a reach.

@Taylor
- Why is Fred town?
- What prompted 3573?

about fred i dont remember look at my iso.
what prompted that post was toog's list. if someone in those 5 was getting scrolled that was my preference. toog ignored me, we hit town.

I checked your ISO, and you put me as town in your read list with no explanation given.

VOTE: T-swizzle

this is obviously a scum

she is not even pretending to be trying at this point.

You know, if you would lay out a case, you may convince even more people of your opinion.

You SR Taylor then "defend" her here. Weird clash. Slightly feels like partner equity except the fact that I TR pooky but red Fred defo makes me wary about this. Fred/Taylor and Fred/Pooky are both plausible if you think about it.

still exists but uno is like 80% scum and you're 75%

still want you to do my ordering tho

Any reasons?

@Fred, why no comment on Shelley’s ordering request?

I didn't actually understand what that meant.

I interpreted it as she was requesting an ordered readslist on those slots.

I misinterpreted that post as shellyc asking me to order her some food as I misinterpreted the part of this post where she asks me to make this readlist as her own readlist. I'll get to work on it now.

Yeah, no. This is p scummy. No explanation needed especially since the tone wasn't a jokey tone.

You know, with 17 players left in this game, I really would appreciate it if everyone only post if they have something meaningful to say. Below is an example of completely inessential conversation that could have been done using the site chat. Please use the site chat for conversations like this. You won't get banned. It's not game related.

Fredrick: complains about no game advancing content
Fredrick again: Doesn't give game advancing content at all

lol
fred order these names from town->scum NOW
fidget
taylor
theta
bell
gloria

I don't really care if you mind this or not, but I have another readlist that reflects what I am thinking better than your random set of five that you just chose.

Town to scum:
MUSHSHAGANA, Gloria Cleary, Fidget, all players not on this list (null), Tayl0r Swift, Noraa

Sheeping consensus reads. Very vague reads list and no reason provided whatsoever.

And how did you reach that conclusion?

well i started by reading your posts, and then i thought about it real hard for about 3 seconds

do you like this answer from TSwift Fred?

Is it something you can see a town player saying or does it look more like scum who has no idea how to back up their fake thoughts?

I actually didn't like it, but I made a decision to [REDACTED FOR NOW TILL THE PLAN IS ENACTED OR CANCELLED].

Meanwhile, I actually can see this coming from a town player, which is a reason why I decided to not push Tayl0r Swift on it. However, in addition to this instance, I have taken note of this second instance and am mildly scumreading her.

Fence sitty.

Reading enough of the Noraa wagon to see her reaction and conclude it is scummy but not developing a corresponding LLD town read (or at least lean) does not sound terribly likely.

I have to agree with this. Unless you think LLD and Noraa performed the best scum theatre on record, it’s very clear that they could never be buddies in this game, so I totally don’t understand your thought process. @Fred?
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I no longer clear people based on this very thing you are proposing. I currently am townreading Lady Lamdadelta for something else altogether, though.

I am also townreading Fidget now and would like to understand why those who are scumreading Fidget are doing so.

No reasons provided for Fidget or LLD read. Plus TRing LLD sure doesnt match up with how the scroll was handed :/

nah i think its a bad wagon, but this whole time ive been saying theres probably a better than random chance noraa flips scum, just not enough of a chance that she deserved the pressure shes under. its whatever, but its kinda dumb.

So, Tayl0r Swift, you thought that there is a better than random chance that Noraa flips scum, but you townread her?

This is actually an interesting point and each time I see it, I get low-key paranoid of Taylor.

Why did you, Tayl0r Swift, drop your question?

i forgot about it. i frequently dont follow up on things.

You forgot about it in the span of 19 minutes?

Ouch. Perhaps another valid point. I slightly feel like its just he jumped on Taylor cuz he got a whiff of LHF vibes. Taylor isnt really LHF imo but I think how that works is she seems more LHF to scum than she does to town. In OTD, I saw her as great limbait and I was scum. But then in Trials, she didn't seem like LHF at all. I think it has more to do with my alignment normally.

His focus is wrong for town.
He should be looking at me, but he isn't.

Why should I be looking at you?

This is a dude who has a guilty conscience and so he's not omgusing like all the good townies do.

Why should I be OMGUSing? I simply just don't do that unless I actually have a case on the person and I simply don't have any reason to think you are scum.

I found this interaction to be interesting. Cant put my finger on what it is about it but somethings strange here. Maybe I'll have to take a look at Bell again.

And then um I uh, got lazy and U-U didn't finish the ISO

Spoiler:

This is really interesting Noraa. Yes, the perspective is definitely different. When you’re town, you try to thoroughly sort people and looks for specific things that make them town and when you’re scum you focus on finding the easiest miselimbait and ignore any obvious towntells and hope no one else picks up on them.

[Gloria Cleary]

shellyc, Flea The Magician, Adorable and Gloria Cleary.

When did I become scum? You had me as one of your top townreads?

Hmmm . . . is this list alltown or is it a combination? This list isn’t an accident and very clearly intended to influence LLD’s scroll and correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Shelley previously a null read for you and you never even had a read on Flea before now? And if Adorable is scum here from ypov, why did you give LLD the scroll?

And no mention whatsoever of Tayl0r? Have you done a 180 on her since you passed the scroll to a player you don’t even scumread anymore?

Extremely interesting that Mush has me as a potential miselim and Fred does a 180 on me for no reason whatsoever. I’m sure it obviously has nothing whatsoever to do with my locktowning Noraa if you flip scum.

[MURDERCAT]

Hmmm . . . is this list alltown or is it a combination? This list isn’t an accident and very clearly intended to influence LLD’s scroll

Agree

[Noraa]

I doubt Fred would have the guts to make an all town or an all scum solve like that. I bet it's a combo since that is the safest route to take as scum. I almost want to say we just kill all 4 and there's basically no way we dont hit scum that way tomorrow. idk if that's a good idea tho so :/

[MURDERCAT]

Agree as well

[Gloria Cleary]

Would that make any sense?

No because you don’t give her the scroll if you’re town and townread her. What is the real purpose of this list or is it more about who isn’t on it than who is?

It’s hella weird, that you put one of the most obvtown players with a list of players who are mostly not. This isn’t the way that either Toog or Vax handled their scrolls. Oh and you also lost your sr on Pooky too. I’m going to be extremely shocked if you aren’t scum here.

[MURDERCAT]

The goal is to wifom, it's kinda newb scum to fall for the bait so that gives me a little more confidence in that adorable town reasoning

[Gloria Cleary]

I doubt Fred would have the guts to make an all town or an all scum solve like that. I bet it's a combo since that is the safest route to take as scum. I almost want to say we just kill all 4 and there's basically no way we dont hit scum that way tomorrow. idk if that's a good idea tho so :/

If you think it’s a combo, then no you don’t want to kill the towns in that list. Do you seriously think I’m scum here Noraa?

[Gloria Cleary]

The goal is to wifom, it's kinda newb scum to fall for the bait so that gives me a little more confidence in that adorable town reasoning

Yeah, I think she’s town. She never backs off any of her stances, which I would expect scum!Adorable to do. Consistency is one of the strongest towntells and having a reads progression that is either contradictory or makes no sense whatsoever is the easiest way to find scum because town’s progression is always consistent. That’s why eventhough LLD was clearly wrong on Hopkirk, it still made logical sense for her to think he was a likely Tayl0r partner.

[Noraa]

I doubt Fred would have the guts to make an all town or an all scum solve like that. I bet it's a combo since that is the safest route to take as scum. I almost want to say we just kill all 4 and there's basically no way we dont hit scum that way tomorrow. idk if that's a good idea tho so :/

If you think it’s a combo, then no you don’t want to kill the towns in that list. Do you seriously think I’m scum here Noraa?

No but I defo believe that list has scum. That basically means that if all three of those flip town, I'm going to be extremely sus of u. I dont think ur scum and I think that in that list if we were to go thru it looking for scum, I would def order it like this {Flea, Shelly, Adorable, Gloria} most scummy to least. If we were to start killing from this list, I'd go from Flea -> Shelly -> Adorable tomorrow and if all flip green, I would unfortunately consider you confscum bc I dont think Fred drops a list of all town rn.

[Noraa]

Speaking of which, currently there is a consensus that {Pooky, Taylor} has scum? That'd surely be a quicker list to go thru tho I dont believe that has scum. Pooky and Taylor are both town imo and I'd argue with just about anyone about this atm. If we had to go thru that bracket, I would say we kill one only and if they flip red, we're done. If not, ugh idk.

[Noraa]

Also I'm off to bed

[Noraa]

Nighty

[Gloria Cleary]

I doubt Fred would have the guts to make an all town or an all scum solve like that. I bet it's a combo since that is the safest route to take as scum. I almost want to say we just kill all 4 and there's basically no way we dont hit scum that way tomorrow. idk if that's a good idea tho so :/

If you think it’s a combo, then no you don’t want to kill the towns in that list. Do you seriously think I’m scum here Noraa?

No but I defo believe that list has scum. That basically means that if all three of those flip town, I'm going to be extremely sus of u. I dont think ur scum and I think that in that list if we were to go thru it looking for scum, I would def order it like this {Flea, Shelly, Adorable, Gloria} most scummy to least. If we were to start killing from this list, I'd go from Flea -> Shelly -> Adorable tomorrow and if all flip green, I would unfortunately consider you confscum bc I dont think Fred drops a list of all town rn.

You should pay more attention to play over wifom because nothing I’ve done in this game makes any sense ever if I’m scum here. I’ve lost games because I fell for scum wifom more times than I’d care to admit. It’s called wifom for a reason and it’s smart to not put too much stock into that.

[Gloria Cleary]

Speaking of which, currently there is a consensus that {Pooky, Taylor} has scum? That'd surely be a quicker list to go thru tho I dont believe that has scum. Pooky and Taylor are both town imo and I'd argue with just about anyone about this atm. If we had to go thru that bracket, I would say we kill one only and if they flip red, we're done. If not, ugh idk.

That’s what I’m saying, if Fred - extremely likely imo - flips red, you really can’t put too much stock into that because he tried to push both a you/LLD team and a Tayl0r/Pooky team and try to push the argument that it was likely scum theatre when it was beyond obvious that it wasn’t.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm currently looking at shooting Theta Alpine.

[Gloria Cleary]

Speaking of which, currently there is a consensus that {Pooky, Taylor} has scum? That'd surely be a quicker list to go thru tho I dont believe that has scum. Pooky and Taylor are both town imo and I'd argue with just about anyone about this atm. If we had to go thru that bracket, I would say we kill one only and if they flip red, we're done. If not, ugh idk.

That’s what I’m saying, if Fred - extremely likely imo - flips red, you really can’t put too much stock into that because he tried to push both a you/LLD team and a Tayl0r/Pooky team and try to push the argument that it was likely scum theatre when it was beyond obvious that it wasn’t.

I’m extremely confident on Pooky!town and nothing Pooky has done has changed that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HURT: Theta

[MURDERCAT]

How confident are you feeling? Want anyone else to look it do you feel good about it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bell and Mush probably town for Fred being scum.

Adorable probably town, and Theta's vote park there looks very bad.

Titus town with fred scum makign that wagon larger as a safe park.

Taylor can't safely park there, so Taylor off wagon.

So that gives us fred theta taylor off wagon, probably 1 scum on fred wagon minimum if not two

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Only 1 scum in Shelly and Fidget.

Kill them both in the same scroll cycle cause there probably is scum in that.

Last scum... UNOWEN Noraa or Flea.

so honestly, I think....

theta
Taylor
fred
shelly
....
UNOWEN.

That's my final thought at a solve, but Noraa Flea and Fidget are all in the "realm of concern".

Everything else is paranoia and if I'm very wrong about someone, it will replace a whole subgroup, obviously

[MURDERCAT]

Good enough for me

yeet: theta