Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[DkKoba]

Dk, on an ethical level of play, would you act unresolvable energetically and self-assertively, not allowing the question of the AI ​​character of your slot as scum?

Asking in the hypothetical sphere, of course.

judge for yourself:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84723
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84805

yes and no.

when I'm scum I use the same strategy as town to get townread, because its easy, because people oftentimes will latch onto my NAI mannerisms and I can easily debunk them.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83486

heres an example of me getting caught for the ~right~ reasons by varsoon -> my early reads were completely illogical and bad (was my first scumgame that wasn't avalon maf which wasnt really a maf game lol)

[DkKoba]

VOTE: horsewoman

dodging thread

[Not_Mafia]

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

[DkKoba]

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

the way this is my exact GtH solve rn

[Not_Mafia]

What's GtH?

[DkKoba]

gun to head, basically like if i had to guess the whole team rn to win the game.

[clidd]

Dk is messing with my head in a very similar way to Ahsoka earlier. I hate it when people play with my perception. Maybe that's the thing that Raya and Gimli are feeling about me.

[clidd]

Actually, "play" isn't the right word, but whatever.

[clidd]

Gimli is really close to a lock-town in my reads, why is he on your solve, NM/Dk?

[clidd]

Ah, fuck it. I'll just let DK play their game and see if I can read them.

[clidd]

Dk, why isn't you questioning this?

Did I miss something?

[clidd]

485 is in relation to the read on gimli ^

[clidd]

Actually, forget about 485 and 486.

I just need to know 483.

[clidd]

I honestly haven't gotten a strong impression from him yet but if he's town then he is a very easy miselim target at the current gamestate and I agree that it's odd Clidd didn't come to this conclusion first considering the townread on him.

I don't know if it was possible to absorb this in my explanation, but the scenario of scum wanting to miselim him was something that came to my mind primarily. The buss scenario, which came as a secondary, was an alternative interpretation that I considered as more improbable by comparison,
but not impossible.

I think this deserves to be quoted.

I don't think that's the case, but if my impression of radja is wrong and he is scum, I believe that the second vote could be a buss, actually, even the first is possible, keeping in mind that Radja theoretically got more scummy over time. But this scenario is meh, I'm giving it less than a 30% chance.

when you say less than 30%, is that less than 30% of the times when radja is scum, or less than 30% in general?

also you could be right about this. The way I'm looking at the game, you're either scum or you've townread scum with very slim reasoning, to the point of e.g. the volxen/you relationship in thread looking like you were either TMI townreading town volxen or townreading a scum partner. The same kind of applies to radja, who I'm probably null on at this point, and there's like 4 people acting like they know what's up when he did nothing to justify it either way. if I'm right and ahsoka, raya and horsewoman are all town, then I think it's possible scum is happily bussing and letting you eat rope for it afterwards. also I just noticed I'm only now starting to consider seriously that lostego could be scum and you could be town and not scum with him. the same sort of situation applies to most people in the POE, it's really amazing how weak your relationships with my POE are. but man if you're town I wanna be able to sort this out cause you're showing your reasoning a lot and I'm supposed to.

sorry for the big post everyone, I'm off for the day

Going back to this.

Yes, it's 30% in general.

I can agree on Raya/Ahsoka being on town PoE, but horsewoman is a slot that you should probably revisit, it's not someone I'm very confident about.

The buss thesis is something I would like to discuss if the PoE is complete. I'm leaning town on radja for that emotional read that I mentioned. If you diverge from my impression, I would appreciate a help.

[DkKoba]

Yeah ok I think lostego is town.

VOTE: lostego

anyone who quotes #426 is on my blacklist

dont care

wheres the progression here

[clidd]

He saw what Ahsoka said and assimilated the internal impression he was having there (I think).

I also felt the same thing.

Although the time it occurred was grossly sporadic, I don't think it is scummy.

Another point is that it would be very evident to scum!Gimli that changing his posture quickly like that would bring up a later question about the behavior, something he would probably be more cautious about.

I imagine scum!He would look at Ahsuka's posts, comment on them (probably agreeing) and say that he would take a look later to see if he really was going to change his mind. It would be more organic from his perspective to create this contextual delay between the change of opinion. The jump of pov over the slot that occurred is not a move that makes sense to scum!him.

[DkKoba]

well if hes town i want him to explain the thought process.

that way i can better understand how he approaches the game.

theres no issue with me pushing for someone to explain their path from point A to B

[DkKoba]

worded that weirdly -> if he's town he should have no issue explaining the thought process

[clidd]

Ok, fair enough.

[Lostego]

Another point is that it would be very evident to scum!Gimli that changing his posture quickly like that would bring up a later question about the behavior, something he would probably be more cautious about.

I imagine scum!He would look at Ahsuka's posts, comment on them (probably agreeing) and say that he would take a look later to see if he really was going to change his mind. It would be more organic from his perspective to create this contextual delay between the change of opinion. The jump of pov over the slot that occurred is not a move that makes sense to scum!him.

to what end is this speculation worthwhile if you don't properly seek out the answers?

[clidd]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[clidd]

Why not mention the first scenario of a miselim?

Raya, I don't remember if I addressed this directly in my posts, but it was the dominant impression I had in mind. I expressed this indirectly in post 304 when I speculated a scum!hw angle.

[clidd]

Radja, is there any changes on your vote/read after the last set of Ahsoka's posts?

[Datisi]

Prodding Radja.

[Datisi]

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