Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[Salsabil Faria]

I suspect the mafia is comprised of Spartan11 and flow trap.

VOTE: Spartan11

Reasons?

[Spartan117]

I *might* be having a heart attack so I'll be out for half a day

I hope everything's ok dude

[Spartan117]

I suspect the mafia is comprised of Spartan11 and flow trap.

VOTE: Spartan11

How did you miss-spell my name twice? lmao ok, lets see your reasoning.

[Spartan117]

If we shoot FaC and they flip town we are in a really bad position

That is the case for anyone we vote off. I think we need to spend more time trying to solve this puzzle.

[Spartan117]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Spartan117 has justified their scumread of me despite the fact that I have stated that he stated an opinion that had no justification.

Allow me to correct you Fredrick, because you are wrong. It honestly really frustrates me because I share the same concerns of flow trap that there is a chance you might be town and a miselim on you would be a big problem for us, if you are actually town you are making this really hard for us. But you continue to act the most sus player here, you have had as much time as everyone else here to read the thread we have had the night phase where you had time to catch up and work towards providing a meaningful contribution, there have been two player deaths which you could review the wagon on Enchant and EZs flip on which you could review their interactions and who might want them dead, there is lots of material for you to use to actually try and solve the game whilst you would rather talk to the dead. If you want to scumread me that's fine, I'm all for it, but provide reasoning play the game if you are town, quote my posts that you think are scummy and explain what you think about my actions that are so suspicious, because I don't want to lose this game just because you can't be bothered to check my ISO...

VOTE: floo

Very scummy vote imo, has been lurking around and posting but still yet to provide any sort of detailed reads of their own as if they are unable to because they know everyone is town. Here voting off the back of other peoples reads without providing any sort of breakdown as to why they actually think they are sus or bringing anything new to the table.

Here in 215 I explained my read on you and your only response was watery and meaningless in 357 and 364.

Fredrick
comes in with 90 their random vote on safebet seeming potentially a little opportunistic to jump on early to a potential reverse wagon that didn't formulate.
166 strange reaction to being voted, lack of desire to input thoughts and fight for reads, very reserved and not very townie.
173 again refusal to providing meaningful content with a mindset of "I don't have to" very much keeping their cards close to their chest, making it hard to get a well rounded read on them.
185 states that he is expressing his opinion on something but provides a pretty nothing statement that contradicts itself.
211 212 jumps on the back of Sals reasoning without providing any fresh ideas of their own to vote Floo, seems like a very scummy vote to me. something I called out in 215 which I don't believe was ever properly answered by them.

I don't like Fredricks aloofness and lack of pushing for reads, he has appeared to me very opportunistic, as for someone who should be one of the far more experienced members of this group as an SE and isn't pushing conversation or contributing to uncovering scum, if anything it feels like he is scum hiding in plain sight.
VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

Here in 746 where I share my reads I go into detail breaking down your posts and giving an explanation as to why I voted you D1, the fact that you are an SE and are an experienced player and are doing this just makes me think you aren't very experienced playing as scum. You seem to struggle to formulate reads, providing twice as many posts as floo while they have provided plenty of content, breakdown of their thoughts and reads.

Overall you come across as a very defensive player who seems to have something to hide. 166 173 show you being over defensive and look to be afraid of the spotlight being put on you. Requires meaning on why they are being scum read in order to respond and contribute but then doesnt provide any meaning behind their own votes, as seen in 191 212 (212s only elaboration appears to be in the meaningless post of 364 ) 626 853

He likes to appear to be playing the game casting votes without actually applying any pressure, not actually contributing anything to the group which is indicative of scum.

863 makes me laugh because you actually request the reasoning for my opinion while quoting my reasoning breaking down your posts with me explaining why I think you are scum. You state

There was no reasoning for your opinion for me to argue against

I'll set you a challenge, in your 75 posts quote us which ones have you providing meaningful content trying to solve the game, otherwise I'm placing my vote on you.

I refuse to place my vote on you now as I do not wish to put you to L-1 at this moment in time when D2 has only just begun, I do not want you or your scum buddy to come along and hammer you, there is still much discussion to be had and people to hear from, and after all there are 2 scum.

I had planned to put my attention on Sal and review their posts in answer to their 1080 and I shall do, but to do it justice I shall have to do that later.

[Salsabil Faria]

I refuse to place my vote on you now as I do not wish to put you to L-1 at this moment in time when D2 has only just begun, I do not want you or your scum buddy to come along and hammer you, there is still much discussion to be had and people to hear from, and after all there are 2 scum.

Mafia team need a miselimination to secure their win now, I don't think if

Fredrick A Campbell

is one of the scums here, his scum buddy will hammer him at this stage.

[Spartan117]

I refuse to place my vote on you now as I do not wish to put you to L-1 at this moment in time when D2 has only just begun, I do not want you or your scum buddy to come along and hammer you, there is still much discussion to be had and people to hear from, and after all there are 2 scum.

Mafia team need a miselimination to secure their win now, I don't think if

Fredrick A Campbell

is one of the scums here, his scum buddy will hammer him at this stage.

Oh there are definitely reasons as to why they would, I mean for example the mafia want the days to be over quickly so that we can get minimal information and they can get another NK, and if they think that their scum buddy is a guaranteed day lynch then the quicker they end the day the better, its also better for them to be on the wagon as they can get off it to keep their scum partner alive or to distance themselves from them when they flip scum.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2-3

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Huldufólk is Icelandic for "hidden folk". Early settlers believed that huldufólk lived right alongside them, and even built them small homes. These legends and beliefs have persisted into modern times. Today, most hikes around settled areas of Iceland will turn up doors propped up against rock formations, small houses and even churches for converting hidden folk to Christianity. Elves, waterdwellers and trolls were all considered Huldufólk, but the term primarily refers to elves.

Fredrick A Campbell

(2): Salsabil Faria, Prism

Spartan117

(1): Fredrick A Campbell

quiet

(1): flow trap

Not Voting

(3): floo, Spartan117, quiet

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 30, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[floo]

Salsa, you get almost indignant with your posts sometimes when responding to people lobbing suspicion your way. Do you think that’s AI at all?

True, Sal mocked many scumreads/suspicion on her meaninglessly (like with emojis) while not necessarily refuting them.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

I'm finding Enchant town now

Ok, I think I'm going to place Salsa in the Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category

Right now, given what I have read, my guess of the scumteam is Salsabil Faria and quiet with a higher than random chance of being right. Random chance is (1/28). Odds of right to wrong are (1:27).

It's irrationally defensive at best, arrogantly scummy at worst. The underlying thought process in any case is "I'm so towny, how could someone scumread me?"

Joke of the year!! Now I'm arrogant!!!

Yes, you're arrogant.

I second that. Not your vote but your explanation is suspicious : "

to avoid seeming scummy"

Ironically, you're outspokenly image-conscious as seen by the posts in the spoiler.

VOTE: Salsabil Faria for now

[flow trap]

Everyone is arrogant in this game in the sense that in most cases anyone else being shot is better than you

[Spartan117]

Everyone is arrogant in this game in the sense that in most cases anyone else being shot is better than you

You ok dude? @ 1087

[flow trap]

Yeah, I have a headache though, so I'll probably have less substance than usual

[Spartan117]

Yeah, I have a headache though, so I'll probably have less substance than usual

No worries dude, hope you are ok, do you have any thoughts on any scum partnerships? If so and so is scum who their partner would be, now that we have more info off the flips.

[quiet]

Hey I'm back entirely now, sorry it took a bit.

As much as I want more pretty tables, I'm not convinced at this stage partner analysis is all that useful. Hell, I'm having trouble putting together a scumpool I feel comfortable with, so full on day2 partner analysis? Idk about that one. (Though remind me to review the original FlowTrap Official Day1 Partner Analysis™ after the game, and if he's got the two marked as likely pairs, I'll make one of my own day1 the next game I play).

Where I'm at:
town people:
{spartan, flow}
people that scare me, who I effort read as town, which is exactly what they want, and whom I really need to find a way to sort:
{floo, prism}
people who I don't really want to vote today, who I think are an easy frame, but whose reads I totally disagree with and who come off scummy this game (okay so it's just one person)
{fred}
scummy people:
{salsa}

I'm trying to figure out where the narrative of scum!Spartan is coming from, because I just do not see it. Only one scum game to compare to, like, 3+ years ago in an open setup (and I can't even find the gamethread), but given how quiet this thread has been in the last few days, I don't see why scum would be popping in, trying to get things moving again. Like for a game that has 45 pages of content, we've made maybe 3? Since the night?

So I'm jumping on the Salsa wagon today. Other wagons I'd consider: Prism, Floo, because I sure as hell aren't going to be able to sort them by reading them. No interest in a Fred vote today, I think enough people can eliminate that slot if my gut is wrong about that one without me. When I get a moment, I'm going to see if defensive towny vibes are a thing for Salsa generally, or if this is a deviation, because I'm still early enough in my mafia career to enjoy meta.

also, Fred, don't let me down, man. Why do you scumread not one but both of my townreads? Where did this Spartian sus appear from anyhow? I'm going to go digging and see who pointed fingers first.

VOTE: Salsabil

[quiet]

Also flowtrap, please take care. Scariest experience of my life was running around with a halter monitor for 3 weeks, waiting to find out if they needed to do a bit of electrical automation in there. Hope you/they sort out what you need.

[quiet]

The more I think about it, the more this game slowing down is an interesting artifact that I feel like could indicate something. I was gone (not that I'm all that high frequency), our resident chaos god flow trap was dealing with more serious stuff, Prism/floo are slower, more deliberate posters, Fred has been decently quiet all game, Spartan was doing their best, and Salsa posted a bit on page 44-45. Maybe it's just a slower game without EZ/Enchant, but I feel like scum are taking the opportunity to sit back a bit. They're certainly not going to try to solve the game too hard if town isn't doing so.

[quiet]

Also @spartian, I reviewed day1 a bit, and early day1 safebet222 was pretty broadly scumread for the flashwagon e-1 play, and I know at least Prism continued pushing at me later in the day. I remain feeling decently good that I was disqualified from a NK by virtue of being in scumpools day1.

[Spartan117]

Also @spartian, I reviewed day1 a bit, and early day1 safebet222 was pretty broadly scumread for the flashwagon e-1 play, and I know at least Prism continued pushing at me later in the day. I remain feeling decently good that I was disqualified from a NK by virtue of being in scumpools day1.

Personally I read safebets play as a townie trying to be provocative and push things to gauge a reaction, but yeah I see what youre saying I just feel based off your input you look a good target for a nk based off how much you are trying to solve the game and figure players out align the slots etc.

[Spartan117]

Hey I'm back entirely now, sorry it took a bit.

As much as I want more pretty tables, I'm not convinced at this stage partner analysis is all that useful. Hell, I'm having trouble putting together a scumpool I feel comfortable with, so full on day2 partner analysis? Idk about that one. (Though remind me to review the original FlowTrap Official Day1 Partner Analysis™ after the game, and if he's got the two marked as likely pairs, I'll make one of my own day1 the next game I play).

Where I'm at:
town people:
{spartan, flow}
people that scare me, who I effort read as town, which is exactly what they want, and whom I really need to find a way to sort:
{floo, prism}
people who I don't really want to vote today, who I think are an easy frame, but whose reads I totally disagree with and who come off scummy this game (okay so it's just one person)
{fred}
scummy people:
{salsa}

I'm trying to figure out where the narrative of scum!Spartan is coming from, because I just do not see it. Only one scum game to compare to, like, 3+ years ago in an open setup (and I can't even find the gamethread), but given how quiet this thread has been in the last few days, I don't see why scum would be popping in, trying to get things moving again. Like for a game that has 45 pages of content, we've made maybe 3? Since the night?

So I'm jumping on the Salsa wagon today. Other wagons I'd consider: Prism, Floo, because I sure as hell aren't going to be able to sort them by reading them. No interest in a Fred vote today, I think enough people can eliminate that slot if my gut is wrong about that one without me. When I get a moment, I'm going to see if defensive towny vibes are a thing for Salsa generally, or if this is a deviation, because I'm still early enough in my mafia career to enjoy meta.

also, Fred, don't let me down, man. Why do you scumread not one but both of my townreads? Where did this Spartian sus appear from anyhow? I'm going to go digging and see who pointed fingers first.

VOTE: Salsabil

Why are you not willing to vote Fredrick? are you protecting him or something? It's very odd to me how you would rather vote Floo than vote Fredrick, I feel like while Floo hasnt posted the quantity of the rest their posts have had a lot of content and reads and have overall provided towards the town, while fredrick has yet in my eyes to provide a meaningful post, like this post of yours just gives me sus vibes that you can see your scum partner is struggling and youre trying to help guide him.

What from fredricks posts indicates to you he is townie, I have checked and I dont regard any of their posts to be legitimate pushes on players or any reads or anything of the like. It appears to me he wishes to be a passenger on this train and ride along posting without getting noticed, and I feel the only reason he didnt get lynched D1 was because Enchant was more of an attraction for everyone to jump on instead while he hid in the shadows.

The sus from Fredrick on me all comes from me sussing him and him not having any answers to it.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Sorry about this, but this game will need to wait till tomorrow. I haven't had the will to read any part of this thread in detail today.

[flow trap]

FaC, you're doing a great job at blending in

[flow trap]

I'm good at running interference and setting town up to implode.

I remembered; this is what is worrying me about Prism's FaC push

[flow trap]

VOTE: Prism

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa, you get almost indignant with your posts sometimes when responding to people lobbing suspicion your way. Do you think that’s AI at all?

True, Sal mocked many scumreads/suspicion on her meaninglessly (like with emojis) while not necessarily refuting them.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

I'm finding Enchant town now

Ok, I think I'm going to place Salsa in the Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category

Right now, given what I have read, my guess of the scumteam is Salsabil Faria and quiet with a higher than random chance of being right. Random chance is (1/28). Odds of right to wrong are (1:27).

It's irrationally defensive at best, arrogantly scummy at worst. The underlying thought process in any case is "I'm so towny, how could someone scumread me?"

Joke of the year!! Now I'm arrogant!!!

Yes, you're arrogant.

I second that. Not your vote but your explanation is suspicious : "

to avoid seeming scummy"

Ironically, you're outspokenly image-conscious as seen by the posts in the spoiler.

VOTE: Salsabil Faria for now

[Salsabil Faria]

So I'm jumping on the Salsa wagon today. Other wagons I'd consider: Prism, Floo, because I sure as hell aren't going to be able to sort them by reading them. No interest in a Fred vote today, I think enough people can eliminate that slot if my gut is wrong about that one without me. When I get a moment, I'm going to see if defensive towny vibes are a thing for Salsa generally, or if this is a deviation, because I'm still early enough in my mafia career to enjoy meta.

VOTE: Salsabil

I like this. Though I don't have anything to say to you at the moment, if you have any question, ask please.