Raw, Unfiltered, UPICK Game Over !

[MathBlade]

No, you need to explain why you said I was scummy without having given me a chance to answer or not. If you had waited, I’d be under the gun, but you didn’t so now your under priority.

Ruff. Porkens seems not loyal.

I sense defensiveness.

[MathBlade]

Wait... if porkens thought flavor could be AI but didn't want to claim their flavor (#40), does that imply they thought their flavor was incriminating and could reveal their alignment to be mafia? Hmm... food for thought.

Opposite alignment to Porkens I think.
Good post if Porkens is scum. I would flip Porkens first every time.
*snuggles next to C*

[MathBlade]

Wait... if porkens thought flavor could be AI but didn't want to claim their flavor (#40), does that imply they thought their flavor was incriminating and could reveal their alignment to be mafia? Hmm... food for thought.

My flavor would give scum a great guess at my role.

Wait... if porkens thought flavor could be AI but didn't want to claim their flavor (#40), does that imply they thought their flavor was incriminating and could reveal their alignment to be mafia? Hmm... food for thought.

My flavor would give scum a great guess at my role.

Noted. Will revisit this later.
UNVOTE:

Yeah, that makes sense.

UNVOTE: porkens

I smell....fish?

[MathBlade]

Marky mark definitely is leaning hard into playing, "Town voice of reason." A favorite of scum's in the early game.

VOTE: Marky

Bad vote here.

I don’t like it.

[MathBlade]

i dont think acting performative in rvs is really a solid basis for a wagon

VOTE: uncrowned

i dont like that you just hop in and follow a wagon without other thoughts provided!!

do you have any individual takes on anyone?

Agreed +1 Townie biscuits to Mistyx

[MathBlade]

What strikes you as suspicious about me?

I make an opening post. Porkens lays out, what seems on the surface, like a fairly reasonable case against it.

You just come along and jump on the wagon. Your justification of eagerness of the back of me making 4 posts feels a bit forced - I was pretty hyped for this after waiting over a month for the game to get going.

@Fidget, yeah exactly. It's not a smoking gun, but why specifically mention their character's flavour is scummy unless there is an element of ulterior motives there? Genuine question.

I still think Fidget's 90 is reaching and forced, but their other recent posts have felt ++town, so I'mma update my vote

VOTE: Uncrowned

I'm less bothered by Vax naked voting me, as he's been engaging with the wider game (although its still in the towns interests for him to provide a justification)

Uncrowned on the other hand, rocks up, votes for me, and contributes 0 to the conversation. Just does not help us move the game forward or find scum, which is ofc lined up with scum's motives

Need to analyze this later.
Wording feels weird

Must find my stone.

[MathBlade]

'They are doing pro-town things, but it might be scum doing it for towncred' (my verrry loose paraphrasing) feels like a pretty thin justification for a vote on someone lol

That “lol” looks forced.

lol

it's bad that i want to townread this right

You misspelled good.

[MathBlade]

Less flippantly: I don't find mark's behavior very scummy and I think a lot of the accusations on him look a bit like grasping. Unless, like, you know him really well and are super confident he wouldn't say 'lol' in this situation normally? I am not even convinced he appears that much to be a 'voice of reason.'

Re other thoughts, I find uncrowned's opening super weird - like, why come in that way? If you hadn't caught up on the game to have other opinions, why cast a vote in your first post when we were already kinda coming out of rvs? Feels like scum trying to imitate slacking town. I'll join the uncrowned wagon for the sake of having a vote somewhere.

VOTE: uncrowned

for an offsite reference I think you'd get, consider LC in Ace Attorney mafia as an example of scum playing "Town voice of reason."

Uncrowned is a null for me i think.

You’re likely scum with Uncrowned

[MathBlade]

Not much time, so just skimmed the thread. Grendel seems towny.

Kinda wondering if Grendel, Uncrowned, and Not Known know where all the bones are.

[GreyICE]

Hello motherfuckers, it's time for fascism.

Who dies first?

[MathBlade]

lol

VOTE: Porkens

You think that was a sincere lol Vax?

lol

Pedit:

*growls* fascism is horrible *grrrr*

[MathBlade]

That actually eh-reminds me.

@MOD:

Feb 12-16 I'll be moving to South Nevada from Central California. There's no reason for me to not be able to eh-keep up or anythink. Probably won't even v/la except when I know it'll be over a day between posts. You should still be made aware regardless.

Eh-roommate has a Goddamn piano, and "fine oak" (read as: unnecessarily old and heavy fucking wood) furniture, etc. We worked so long into the night the storage place locked us out and basically told us to call it a night. Just eh-glad eets over. For now. /shotgun

Who should I be eh-votink?

Wagging from CA. Miss you

[MathBlade]

I didn't give this tons of thought earlier, but the self-justification is mildly ++SR. It's pretty easy to string an argument together along the lines of "scum!me would have done XYZ instead"

Again, this is something that a townie can 100% do.

What is your Mafia experience like?

Are you going to give actual reasons for your SR or are you going to keep coming up with NAI stuff that you're conf!biasing into a bad read?

Damn that chainsaw is working hard.

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE: uncrowned

this level of effort is what i was looking for earlier

i'll read up in-depth shortly

Bad unvote imho

[MathBlade]

Mistyx:Null. Saw nothing out of the ordinary, except

i think fidget and cassowary are town

my issue with uncrowned's follow up posts is that they're focused on his own slot instead of trying to sort any others

so i think it's fair to keep pressuring him until that changes

Why do you think that fidget and cassowary are town? These reads seem to come out of nowhere.

Marky: I see more defense than attack. And their 1v1 vs Uncrowned is so

soft

that I could see it both as "Can we please stop bussing each other" and "Let me pocket you instead".

Uncrowned: Lots of defense, and pushing Mark. A bit more but:

Mark is >rand scum atm but there's decent chance he's just clueless town

Yes, this could be a SvS thrown in early.

Cassowary: Not so much content, but their defense of Marky is something likely coming from a scum partner - evasive defense - so if Mark flips red that one becomes top priority.

Flea: Null. I see nothing AI.

Jake: Fluff, openly doesnt want to play??? Null, but potential policy elimination.

Porkens: Lone tunneling/defending, not much activity. Needs to get time in the spotlight. Slightly scummy.

Fidget: Might be town, but it is just a feeling, can't see anything really AI.

Chkflip: Null. Not enough content.

Turin, the worst: We need more activity from these slots.

Vax:Stopped Zeus-ing in the thread after mildly negative reactions. No good pushes. Could be scum.

Grendel:Probably town. They seem to be the only one who is just doing a good push whilst also pushing elsewhere with good, game advancing questions.


I'm at Marky/Uncrowned/cassowary.

VOTE: Marky

This is so bad.
Rule of 3 is uncrowned
Like how do you get Mark and Cass together?
Grrrr boooo.

VOTE: Not Known 15

[MathBlade]

Uncrowned looks fine i think. I agree that the intial sheep vote that drewed attention to him isnt directly AI here. I do think it has long term uses once some flips are on deck. Not a fan of the push there, and i dont feel really moved by points that came of it.

Time for a gamestate read.

As much as Mark is acting scummy, the lack of involvement from a majority of slots while we've been dueling is objectively +town for him, I'd say. Assuming this, there's probably scum on each of our wagons. Given Cassowary's weird fence-sitty comment about my one which just looked like someone trying show townie caution, I think we push there.

yeah, the two of you were dueling wagons most of D1. For one of you to be scum would mean that buddies were super apathic about the game state, or were bussing and afraid to move elsewhere. Otherwise you're both town.

I dont really agree with the Cassowary takeaway. Having offsite experience with her I kno shes a cautious player in general. Esp on the first day phase or two.

Spoiler:

So this (and other versions of the Castle Crashers Necromancer theme) is the other of the two songs I've been tending to use during times where I want to get serious in a mafia game. I tend to use Mechanical Con-Damnation for mech-heavy setups and this one for mech-lite setups, or for situations where mechanical arguments are stronger or weaker in what I'm writing up in specific.
This definitely isn't my favorite cover of the Necromancer theme, but I chose this one here for a reason I'll get into in a bit.

Votecount 1.5

Uncrowned (6): Mistyx, Marky Mark, cassowary, Flea The Magician, Vaxkiller, chkflip
Marky Mark (4): Porkens, Uncrowned, Grendel, Not Known 15
Vaxkiller (1): Turin Turambar
the worst (1): Jake the Wolfie
Flea The Magician (1): Fidget

Not voting: the worst

Within 14 alive it takes 8 votes to yeet someone into the void.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-02-15 15:10:00), or whenever a yeet has been decided.

If Uncrowned, and Marky both end up flipping town I would say that there are 2+ scum in the vanity wagons, and the no voter. Scum on the Uncrowned wagon, my bets would be chkflip/Flea and/or Maaaybe Marky. The only guy on Mark I dont have a reason to TR is Not known.

Bussing i wont worry about unless one of Marky/Uncrowned end up flipping mafia.

Feels weird making a VCA post like this when there arent any flips, but it intrigued me enough that i felt i had too.

This sequence is disgusting
Join me on Not Known or Uncrowned.
Your choice.

[GreyICE]

Page 2. You haven't lynched Fidget. This is why you fuckers don't deserve democracy. Luckily glorious leader is here.

Vaxkiller and Grendel's avatar are both basically brown blobs. I've decided they're the same person. Also, they're the same person.
P. Sure Torin softclaimed third party. How fucked up is this upick nonsense? My tolerance for reading rules is v. low. I see we could have 9-4, 10-3, or 9-3-1. Mmm. Well, we can circle back.
Vaxkiller noting a need to rolefish is p. funny.
Page 4. Fidget not lynched yet. WTF
Mistyx is feeling newbscummish? Hmmm. Lemme get my noob detector wired up.
Mmm. No wait, noob town. Fidget still isn't lynched. WTF people.
Page 7. NO

Vote: Fidget

Can someone please explain how this thread isn't locked? I should be replacing into a game with a day 1 scumlynch already.

Absolutely no excuse people.

[GreyICE]

Math, shut the fuck up and vote Fidget. If you're a buddy bus, you know you don't want world war greyice

[MathBlade]

Wrong.

I am town and I replaced Torin.

Your pockets smell horrible.

[GreyICE]

I don't really care what your alignment is. We're lynching fidget today. It can be with you or over you.

[MathBlade]

I don't really care what your alignment is. We're lynching fidget today. It can be with you or over you.

Cool.
I am going to bed.
Seems a shit wagon especially how I found something wrong in your post and it seems mechanic drivel versus useful.

Maybe four mafia? *ponders*

Going to bed. Thinking GreyICE is going to be stubborn either way and I know when to call it quits for the night.

[GreyICE]

Of course I'm going to be stubborn. Fidget is literally obvious scum. You can roleplay as Titus, or we can do something useful.

[MathBlade]

Then explain it while I am in bed. Preferably something that I can chew on for longer than a 10 cent chew toy.

[chkflip]

VOTE: Fidget

GreyICE is eh-likely town. I will follow this. And no I probably won't get into this game with a re-read today. Two new peeple will refresh me enough I theenk.

[GreyICE]

Then explain it while I am in bed. Preferably something that I can chew on for longer than a 10 cent chew toy.

He votes in post #21 copying porkins reason from post #20. He then notes Marky is scumreading him and pokes him. He makes this abomination gives a running commentary then fucking unvotes.

He makes this post

Uncrowned (4): Mistyx, Marky Mark, Cassowary, Flea The Magician

I feel pretty confident there is scum on this wagon (or to a lesser extent, Uncrowned is scum, but that is not my current thinking).

Re other thoughts, I find uncrowned's opening super weird - like, why come in that way? If you hadn't caught up on the game to have other opinions, why cast a vote in your first post when we were already kinda coming out of rvs? Feels like scum trying to imitate slacking town. I'll join the uncrowned wagon for the sake of having a vote somewhere.

I think this is a much better justification for voting Uncrowned than him being scummy for not contributing to the discussion. This is actually something I was considering myself. The last game I have seen of Uncrowned, he mentioned intentionally playing different to try out a new playstyle. It was less effort than his usual style (However, he did not naked vote in RVS, and he did have early reads, so not totally slacking so much as trying somewhat less). He was town that game, though.

Uncrowned calling out an over explaination with an over explaination seems dodge to me. VOTE: Uncrowned
*sips tea and noms a biccie*

This doesn't strike me as very good faith. Based on what criteria are you considering Uncrowned's response an over-explanation, and why does that make him scummy, in any case?

VOTE: Flea

Then goes back to playing footsies with fucking Marky. Then enters the twilight zone.

Come on Math, free newbie scum lynch right here.