Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[midwaybear]

I'm not sure why you would trust fall Tess/BM when it looks like your read is a weak gth townlean.
BM voting me is also somewhat questionable.

[Battle Mage]

I'm not sure why you would trust fall Tess/BM when it looks like your read is a weak gth townlean.
BM voting me is also somewhat questionable.

you think you're obvtown enough that me voting you makes me scum?

[midwaybear]

Agree that elements is probably town.
Italiano
-It's not like he could not be open about his scumgame. Dodging the question is much more suspicious than just giving an answer
-This relaxed energy sometimes feels fabricated (the stuff like "I'll obvtown", "come at me")
-If this is true, then I agree it is townie (going after the person townreading him)
-I'm not sure how "making statements that can be backed up" is town indicative?
-good
-meh I think it is somewhat of an unnatural thought to care about that, but this could be wrong
-Can you give some examples of honest reads from Italiano?
-This is fine

Have to go soon, but for your points on Andres, I'd like some examples of his solid stances/good analysis. Everything else is mostly nullish to me.

[midwaybear]

you think you're obvtown enough that me voting you makes me scum?

Your reason for voting me was terrible.

[Battle Mage]

you think you're obvtown enough that me voting you makes me scum?

Your reason for voting me was terrible.

terrible!? how so?

we've moved some way from "somewhat questionable" to "terrible" in the space of 2 posts

[Battle Mage]

i think it's probably slightly hard to judge my reason for voting you, given I didn't go into a full and thorough explanation of it. So I could understand you saying "he didn't give a clear reason" or "he didn't explain his reason properly". But to say the reason was "terrible" doesn't really make sense.

Additionally, given my vote on you lasted all of what...30 mins....what conclusion do you draw from my vote moving? A logical conclusion might be that I didn't myself see the reason for voting you as being particularly strong.

I feel like you've jumped quickly here and not put all the pieces together first, but interested to see how you respond?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I feel as though if i am right on elements/GC then datisi/vp contain last maf based on how quick they both reacted to my fos on those 2 - please sheep this if both elements and GC indeed flip scum.

> writes a list with only describing positive things about players
> concludes 2 scumreads from that list
> "if i'm right, they're scum for reacting to my fos"

you're joking, right?

If im reading every player u think im missing the scummy stuff too?
Lol?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Explain why u think midway is scummy.
The more you talk the less i think youre conversing in good faith

Im off break see yall later

When I ISO'd Lunar earlier I recall thinking their positioning was a bit haphazard, and there was one post by midwaybear which read really badly to me.

A couple Q's:

What do you see as Lunar Martian's town meta vs scum meta?
What about my posts is not "good faith"? Disagreeing with my read doesn't imply my read is bad faith - and you have seen I have many reads and they do evolve over time.

I also still want you to answer this:

Oh and BM was also weird around it. I forgot about them lol

please tell me more about this - specifically what was i weird around, and how?

until you do satisfactorily, I'll VOTE: Reformed Toxic Player to give you an extra incentive

Scummy discred - looks bad for u if either elements or GC flip scm.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I'm not sure why you would trust fall Tess/BM when it looks like your read is a weak gth townlean.
BM voting me is also somewhat questionable.

Tess is gth town - bm has tanked that so far

[ItalianoVD]

thanks. it was an important question - i wanted to see if you had any particular reasoning which does help me sort you.
also my apologies I was distracted as I am usually so.

Yeah those were the main reasons. And I didn't mean to seem short with you.

@RTP I think there’s Scum pushing Italiano. I don’t think this frustration/defeatism is coming from Scum, but honestly, I have revealed this to be a bit of a weak spot for me. I obviously think midwaybear’s seeming POE for today is rubbish, and I need you to look a bit closer there. I also don’t like Datisi’s 618 (seems like Scum sidelining a player that is maybe an easy push here). However, this whole thing is a bit binary. If they’re right about Italiano, then I expect {Green Crayons / Datisi / midwaybear} and to a lesser extent VPB to come out looking stronger for it. If Italiano is Town, then it’ll make it more obvious that we’re in part being led astray by Scum.

There's really nothing else to say here. These are my sentiments exactly.

Is there a reason you're voting GC over RL?
You're saying you don't know which person on your wagon is scum, but have only one of them in your limpool and townlean another one, why not try to figure out which one is scum?

If Lotus was scum, he knows I'm town and while scum can/do tunnel townies I don't know how common it is, so while I'd like to think he's scum, I don't know how likely it is. I am gonna look at that.

I feel better here right now.

VOTE: midwaybear

[ItalianoVD]

1./5. the game is dead because 4-5 people are barely playing or not playing at all and the moderator had abandoned us for half a week too. wow.

The fact that it doesn't at least somewhat frustrate you or allow you to understand why someone else would be frustrated by it is telling to me.

2. where are you trying to figure it out? like this seems more like complaining about being voted than actually, idk... genuinely sorting anyone? like you have 3/4 people that are pushing you as confusing/null/weird.

Have you read my iso? I've pretty much given all my thoughts up to this point.

also i feel like you're trying your best to ignore me while throwing sideways shade at me and i Do Not Like It

I am not ignoring you, but your takes to my responses are one of the things that have been annoying me. So I try to leave and then come back so I can give you a better less annoyed response, unless you want the unfiltered versions.

[midwaybear]

interested to see how you respond?

Respond to what?

there was one post by midwaybear which read really badly to me.

What post?

[ItalianoVD]

Stalling is not useful for the game state and sometimes tstbs is actually just flail scum.

I'm not the greatest at scum, but come on man, I don't flail as scum. And tstbs is

At the very least, a flip of Italiano gives info and progression.

What?! No it doesn't, because you can try to actually find scum to flip instead. This is careless fmpov

Battle Mage replaces Testarossa

Nice! Hopefully you're town buddy. Come help me out.

I'm taking note that Italiano seems to be somewhat confrontational this game.

I am confrontational this game because I’ve been annoyed this game.

whats been annoying you?

1. The fact that I can’t figure out this game. It’s stalled and I don’t know why.
2. I know there is at least one scum on me at the present and I can’t figure it out.
3. Trying to figure it out seems moot because my credibility is shot currently.
4. Being scumread for being transparent.
5. The fact that this game is dead, oh did I mention that already.

This is why I’m annoyed. It ain’t just one thing. And I ain’t replacing out; that’s not what I do, I wouldn’t want anyone coming into this slot anyway, wouldn’t be fair to them. Gotta try my best to clean it up.

i got u fam

Pssh, let's go.

[ItalianoVD]

Re: 451 & 452
Well, you know, it might be better to vote me out then cause it's apparent I'm not gonna be of help to the town. I've been lazy man. All that stuff I do as town, I just didn't/don't feel like doing it this game, especially on Day 1. I don't know why, I just don't. Slots have been pinging me, but I just don't really feel like going in depth with it, hoping that gutreads would be enough. I know that's bad and not helpful, however, information can still be gleaned from my flip.

Another thing is I feel like everything I do and say is getting scumread and everything I answer is not good enough , and it feels like I'm just digging my grave deeper and deeper the more I post and interact. It's part of the game so it's cool, but it's also exhausting. If/when I do get to E1, I definitely won't hammer. I'm not gonna cutoff the discussion like that. And I'm not scum, I'm just bad townie this game.

definitely feel the emotion here. happy to assume Italiano is locktown - I think Italiano-scum has more self-respect than to run this as a gambit.

Where this is one time your assumptions won't get you killed.

[ItalianoVD]

what's the case on Dunn?

he bein' kinda lurky and not towny

my townreads be votin' there

i'm a sheep

the game has kinda not done much in the past 2-3 days

Dunn is always lurky. I think I've played lots of games with him but he normally stays pretty quiet so hard to remember. We're 27 pages deep though, so let's make something happen.

VOTE: Dunnstral

How do you sort it then? Just vca?

[Datisi]

I feel as though if i am right on elements/GC then datisi/vp contain last maf based on how quick they both reacted to my fos on those 2 - please sheep this if both elements and GC indeed flip scum.

> writes a list with only describing positive things about players
> concludes 2 scumreads from that list
> "if i'm right, they're scum for reacting to my fos"

you're joking, right?

If im reading every player u think im missing the scummy stuff too?
Lol?

that's not what i said? lol???
like my issue is that you made a list where you listed nothing but positives on people, then concluded that you have two scumreads based off that, *then* went "oh they reacted to the fos quickly, if this is red, that's scum"

my issue isn't step 2 (which was weird but your explanation to that was *fine*), it's step 3

making a seeming contradictory read like that then calling out people for questioning you about it is ??? like do you genuinely think that whoever tf questioned you on that is grounds for some 9000 iq associate read as opposed to whoever was currently online and reading the thread?

[ItalianoVD]

I'm curious to how this translates to GC/Elements scum. The reads on them seemed cool, why the scumreads?

Spoiler:

Harumi Ayasato
-Assertive behavior early on, puts themselves on the spot with a push
-Attacks multiple people, when voting Italiano has a clear reasoning for it
-reads list in 245 well written
-Has specific reasoning for their pushes when prodded for it
-Overall feels uninformed

Green Crayons
-69 post count at the time of making this(nice) (also joke)
-points out the contradiction wrt harumi’s read, leans town for me
-defensive about being misrepped
-is trying to work with others

Votato(yuck)/midwaybear(<3)
-lack of care for how they are perceived
-posing good questions to others that clearly lead to conclusions
-337 feels very towny with the contrarian thing
-their read on andres looks fluid, when they locktown them and are not afraid to change that after a reread
-on replace in, quickly gives thoughts
-generally towny vibe, feels like town midway(gut)


Reformed toxic user
-thats me
-im town as fuck
-if you disagree you’re wrong as fuck
-literally never wrong
-not toxic btw


Testarossa/Battle Mage
-gun to head i’d say town? But theres not enough content to say i would use as reasons to townread them

Andres
-is taking stances, solid ones
-good analysis on other players, wiling to clear them from PoE
-seems to have naturally figured out who I was - something i think that would be more likely if they were in a scum pt with 2 others, as 1 other person here knew who i was
-im tending to agree with their pushes/points which is town-indicative for me
-is willing to townread me despite my consistent scumread on them.

Elements
-is honest about them not outting an early reads list with good reasoning
-reads lists later on has good looking reasoning
-is pushing people to make reads on them, which is attention grabbing

ItalianoVD
-is open about their scumgame early on
-very relaxed energy!
-during player v player fight(duchess/GC), goes after the person whos townreading them
-makes statements that can be backed up
-is willing to reeval rather than deathtunnel duchess
-outs their thought process, and admits fault in being in the middle of the fight and helping instigate it
-overall the way they are reaching conclusions feel organic and honest
-when asked why they are annoyed, they had a good list in response


sup sorry

i have to get ready for work

i have been getting distracted working on this constantly - im releasing what i have so far because i already have a conclusion where I have 2 scumreads based on my readings.

VOTE: Green Crayons

I think italiano is town here now.

andres is town should this flip scum every time.

harumi i feel is not as towny as i initially thought - i still think scum!GC implies town!harumi

also likley partner for GC = Elements.

i wanted to post this now so we can get some reactions based on this. I'm fairly confident on thsi at this point.

Wanna get people's thoughts. I think last scum I'll find in the people ive yet to go through.

[ItalianoVD]

Like I'm not questioning it, it's just that what you said about them didn't match with the vote.

[ItalianoVD]

Italiano is scum

You're wrong dude. Read my iso with me as a townread. If you come back and still scumread then fair enough, but I don't fell like you've done that.

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RTP

Down2Clown

[VP Baltar]

I'm not sure why you would trust fall Tess/BM when it looks like your read is a weak gth townlean.
BM voting me is also somewhat questionable.

Tess is gth town - bm has tanked that so far

Errrrrrtttt, wrong.


BM has been way more town than Tess.

[ItalianoVD]

there is a distinct lack of progression in RLotus' ISO. Started with townreads on RTP and Duchess...and they remain the top 2 townreads. and has been only really focussed on Italiano since a few days ago.

I have been thinking this as well. It is very one dimensional.

This is garbage. Why didn't you say anything?

[Datisi]

1./5. the game is dead because 4-5 people are barely playing or not playing at all and the moderator had abandoned us for half a week too. wow.

The fact that it doesn't at least somewhat frustrate you or allow you to understand why someone else would be frustrated by it is telling to me.

2. where are you trying to figure it out? like this seems more like complaining about being voted than actually, idk... genuinely sorting anyone? like you have 3/4 people that are pushing you as confusing/null/weird.

Have you read my iso? I've pretty much given all my thoughts up to this point.

also i feel like you're trying your best to ignore me while throwing sideways shade at me and i Do Not Like It

I am not ignoring you, but your takes to my responses are one of the things that have been annoying me. So I try to leave and then come back so I can give you a better less annoyed response, unless you want the unfiltered versions.

i understand why someone would be frustrated, and i am not enjoying the (used to be) crawl-pace of the game either. that's not the issue. the problem is that you're framing it as a great mystery that you've spent so much time thinking over, "i can't figure out why the game is stalled" when the answer is plainly obvious? it's performative and reads fake. like, even in this very line. "it is telling to me." it's telling *how*?? what are your conclusions??? like why do you seem afraid of genuinely saying something (i'm assuming it's a negative view of my slot here) and are sidestepping it like this???

yeah, i opened your iso and ctrl+f'ed the names of the people who were voting you at the time. there was no conclusion on baltar, there was no conclusion on me, nor on lotus. it boiled down to "it's weird, it's unreadable, i think your play if off", and i didn't find anything that's actually showing you're sorting the slots. which i find to be problematic when your post says "i can't figure it out."

i'd say give me the unfiltered versions, but i'm prone to shitfights myself so for the better of the game, maybe not. like sorry if i'm annoying you, that's not my intention, but i don't think you're town right now and i'd appreciate if i didn't have to pull teeth to get responses from you?

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RTP

Down2Clown

tell me more, tell me more

[VP Baltar]

there is a distinct lack of progression in RLotus' ISO. Started with townreads on RTP and Duchess...and they remain the top 2 townreads. and has been only really focussed on Italiano since a few days ago.

I have been thinking this as well. It is very one dimensional.

This is garbage. Why didn't you say anything?

I don't write out every thought I have. It's usually only if I feel strongly about something.

Like, you've definitely said scummy shit this game, but I'm also in the back of my mind thinking Lotus only has one scum read, which isn't a super realistic town perspective on D1.