Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[RLotus]

Well it's apparent VPB is dying today
VOTE: GC

[Battle Mage]

i'm scumleaning you, as i said earlier - not much reads progression at all.

That's not even true anymore

so you're saying you changed it up after you got called out?

If there are any instances where my read progression feels unnatural let me know. I doubt you've done that kind of analysis

there's a lesson in game management here. don't allow Day 1 in a mini to last 50 pages, or everyone just gets salty as hell.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

sorry if im making the game a bad environment im really really frustrated with BM and im holding back a lot in terms of what I want to say. they won't even approach me in good faith when I'm trying to extend the olive branch and talk out stuff or like they are just framing anything I say as scum motivated and it really like ticks me off when ppl do that bc its like .. idk.

its like - are you just gonna sit there and tunnel me and just not play the game and just omgus anyone who doubts that im scum?


bc thats what im seeing as the basis of ur reads rn - anyone who is doubting u is scum and its like frustrating to see cuz im starting to just straight lean town on u bc idek what agenda u can be focused on here. like theres been a TON thats happened thats made me reeval myself - and others have too and that makes me feel that others should be too - bc I'm definitely town here.

[RLotus]

BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.

i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!

My apologies. I am quite annoyed with how this game is going if it isn't obvious.

Do you find any of my read progressions unnatural that I can clarify you? Because I believe you reason for scumleaning me is flawed and obviously know it is wrong.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.

i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!

That's rich coming from the dude who's just hardtunneling people and never tries to engage in good faith and thinks that its a good play.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

k im done im gonna come back later. I'm not done with you battle mage. I really dont fucking care how much you think I'm scum, you should be willing to talk to me about stuff instead of shutting up and refusing to reeval. I'll tell you firsthand I have done that tactic and it didn't work out. It never works out. It just leads to a wasted push. and you like trying to cry victim when you're the one making the game unenjoyable for me with a shitpush is peak hypocrisy. You're here to play a game with all of us. Act like it.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

Also - as a final note. My pronouns are they them. Don't use masculine terms to refer to me. I'm not gonna repeat it again.

[Battle Mage]

BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.

i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!

My apologies. I am quite annoyed with how this game is going if it isn't obvious.

Do you find any of my read progressions unnatural that I can clarify you? Because I believe you reason for scumleaning me is flawed and obviously know it is wrong.

all good brother. i'm just feeling quite ambivalent about it all. i've said we can do someone else other than you.

[RLotus]

BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.

i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!

My apologies. I am quite annoyed with how this game is going if it isn't obvious.

Do you find any of my read progressions unnatural that I can clarify you? Because I believe you reason for scumleaning me is flawed and obviously know it is wrong.

all good brother. i'm just feeling quite ambivalent about it all. i've said we can do someone else other than you.

Who are you looking at other than myself and RTP?

[Datisi]

I’m catching up and I’m more than likely gonna be updating my reads.

@Datisi, I still don’t know what to think of you. Baltar is somewhat clearing you, but I’m not gonna place you both at town just yet. For all I know you’re partners. Just thinking about it most likely not, if anything it’s a t/s connection I don’t know so you stay null. You scumreading me for your reasons are goofy to me, but I’m not gonna change your mind and I’m not gonna try to, I’m gonna move on. Like I told Lotus run my iso back, which gives all my thoughts and reads. If you run it back and still think I’m scum then do your thing.

VOTE: RLotus

why do you vote lotus here if you're likely to be updating reads?

also like, why are connecting my alignment to baltar? i get we're townreading each other, but i'm my own slot here. the reasons are "goofy", do you have no opinion on which alignment they're more likely to come from???

Fascinating. We actually reached the same exact conclusion independently.

i didn't think this day would ever come.

ok leaving this game for past midnight was a horrible fucking idea
i'm gonna go sleep and be back on this in ~9 hours

[Battle Mage]

BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.

i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!

My apologies. I am quite annoyed with how this game is going if it isn't obvious.

Do you find any of my read progressions unnatural that I can clarify you? Because I believe you reason for scumleaning me is flawed and obviously know it is wrong.

all good brother. i'm just feeling quite ambivalent about it all. i've said we can do someone else other than you.

Who are you looking at other than myself and RTP?

I think I'm pretty locked on RTP now - partly for being scummy, and partly for continuing to behave in a negative way, even after my polite request. I'm not normally one to advocate for policy-elims, but everyone else is pretty chill and we just need to elim somebody asap, and I think there's a good chance of a scumflip!

I'll VOTE: RTP again just to create some inspiration.

If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll hopefully re-read the game in the light of flips and find some renewed motivation!

[Battle Mage]

grateful if others can sheep me on this, just so we can actually move things forward in a constructive way.

[midwaybear]

Why is RLotus being wagoned? Looking at the votecount, I could vote GC, Italiano, and RLotus if people sell me on it.
I think RTP has been quite townie this game, and, again, I don't know if "oppurtunisitc" means scum VPB.

[Green Crayons]

is there a reason why you're town on lotus that's not about that one post?

That post pushed it over into a comfortable town read just because I think it's a low likelihood for scum to post that sort of thing. Before that, I was toying with town because of his tunnel on VD. He saw some early play that he thought looked scummy, and then stuck with it in a way that I find myself doing when convinced I've got scum. His openness about the fact he was tunneling doesn't do him any favors, so I don't see the "scum tunnel so they can be lazy" theory fitting.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.

i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!

My apologies. I am quite annoyed with how this game is going if it isn't obvious.

Do you find any of my read progressions unnatural that I can clarify you? Because I believe you reason for scumleaning me is flawed and obviously know it is wrong.

all good brother. i'm just feeling quite ambivalent about it all. i've said we can do someone else other than you.

Who are you looking at other than myself and RTP?

I think I'm pretty locked on RTP now - partly for being scummy, and partly for continuing to behave in a negative way, even after my polite request. I'm not normally one to advocate for policy-elims, but everyone else is pretty chill and we just need to elim somebody asap, and I think there's a good chance of a scumflip!

I'll VOTE: RTP again just to create some inspiration.

If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll hopefully re-read the game in the light of flips and find some renewed motivation!

what is wrong with u

[Reformed Toxic Player]

ego to the nth degree

[Reformed Toxic Player]

i gave YOU a polite request to actually engage me, this isn't happy sunshine flower land you dont get to demand me to talk to you in a certain way when you clearly haven't earned it with how you have chosen to interact with me.

do you like understand why you have such low accuracy in games?

[Reformed Toxic Player]

in fact anyone who is town here should 1000% sheep the opposite of BM today - they've basically confirmed me as town here.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

is there a reason why you're town on lotus that's not about that one post?

That post pushed it over into a comfortable town read just because I think it's a low likelihood for scum to post that sort of thing. Before that, I was toying with town because of his tunnel on VD. He saw some early play that he thought looked scummy, and then stuck with it in a way that I find myself doing when convinced I've got scum. His openness about the fact he was tunneling doesn't do him any favors, so I don't see the "scum tunnel so they can be lazy" theory fitting.

thanks for the townread on me here

[Green Crayons]

You are taking advantage of the scumreads other people have rather than solving the game on your own. The easiest example to see is your absolute lack of progression of RTP. You kinda just were not talking about them then suddenly you scumread them after BM puts a vote there. Also, you looked willing to do the same with elements and myself. That's what is scummy.

I'm curious: did you have problems with Baltar's play before his RTP vote, and that was the last straw and so you laid out this case against Baltar, or did his RTP vote bother you so you went to go back and look to see if there was something suspicious about his play, and that's when you saw these problems that led to your long post?

Initially, I read these side questions/him pushing people from the side as towny. It wasn't until his interactions with BM did I realize that he kept poking at slots without trying to solve them.

i'd do elements today if we could get a majority

I'm listening. What are you seeing?

Also is dunn at E-1 now?

there is a distinct lack of progression in RLotus' ISO. Started with townreads on RTP and Duchess...and they remain the top 2 townreads. and has been only really focussed on Italiano since a few days ago.

I have been thinking this as well. It is very one dimensional.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RTP

Down2Clown

This series of posts in particular

Seeing these again, I agree that these three posts you quoted here *are* weird. I can see the theory that this is Baltar!scum trying to gin up a mis-elim by making someone else (BM) take the lead.**

But I don't see that in his earlier play, including the other posts you have quoted. So I don't agree that there's a unified presentation of Baltar!scum play in trying to get others to take the lead to a mis-elim.

**BM came into this game as super-town, though. And BM doesn't really get controlled, so I doubt Baltar was going to nudge BM somewhere he didn't want to go. So I'm not too hot on this theory actually fitting this situation.

[OutWorldER]

Official Vote Count 1.09

"Le Lavatrici" in Genova, Italy

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

RLotus (3): VP Baltar, Andresvmb, ItalianoVD
Green Crayons (2): Reformed Toxic Player, RLotus
Reformed Toxic Player (2): Battle Mage, Green Crayons
Elements (1): Dunnstral
ItalianoVD (1): maxwell
VP Baltar (1): Duchess

Not Voting

(3): Datisi, Elements, midwaybear

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-02-28 21:49:12).

Mod notes:

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[ItalianoVD]

yeah i did take a leap of faith when voting you to see what would happen. and? whats your point? townlean by no means means im going to stop examining your play and poke at suspicious stuff.

I don’t have a problem with that, but to me it just seems like a performance. It feels like that with a lot of your recent reads.

italiano ily but im sadly just not following what youre saying but it feels towny ur just thoughtspewing so keep it up bud

Eh

I'd like to point out that GC's been extremely vague about reasoning and cannot ellaborate when pushed on and starts talking in circles or just reverts to other points, or just points out shallow things

This feels very agenda’y’

I think this is a bit of a reach actually.

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree here.

before I go - please try to explain how you think it was agenda-y in the context, like whats my agenda. (or maybe you just think its scummy, and are using bad words?? bc idk what u mean there) are u townreading GC is that why?

That whole post read like a scummy agenda. Like you’re trying to direct the traffic. In fact your play today has felt that.

Italiano, I got the impression you were scumreading VP earlier or were suspicious of him at least. What changed for you?

I never really scumread VP like I said earlier in the game, but at the time I felt like he could possibly be scum. Ironically his interactions and posts didn’t actually feel like it. Felt like I was trying to force something that wasn’t quite there. Though I haven’t worked out how I feel about the interaction between you two yet.

Vote VPB whenever you feel like voting for scum

You tried this on me and you were/are wrong there. I’m thinking you’re wrong here as well.

That's a pretty shallow reason to think I'm wrong. But you're right it wouldn't be the first time I am wrong when I am hard pushing someone.

You were/are so certain I was scum and fmpov I know you’re wrong so it’s not frivolous for me to think you’re doing it again.

[ItalianoVD]

also like, why are connecting my alignment to baltar? i get we're townreading each other, but i'm my own slot here.

Well that’s what I do when I can’t read a player. Other people’s input on slots are valuable to me.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

is "directing traffic" scummy? yeah i like to exert control over the game state. so what?

[Green Crayons]

is there a reason why you're town on lotus that's not about that one post?

That post pushed it over into a comfortable town read just because I think it's a low likelihood for scum to post that sort of thing. Before that, I was toying with town because of his tunnel on VD. He saw some early play that he thought looked scummy, and then stuck with it in a way that I find myself doing when convinced I've got scum. His openness about the fact he was tunneling doesn't do him any favors, so I don't see the "scum tunnel so they can be lazy" theory fitting.

thanks for the townread on me here

okay

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