Mini Normal 2200 | Game Over

innocentvillager · Post Post #900 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:33 pm

Vote count 1.05

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-03-19 19:26:46).

elimination

1. skitter30 [0]:

2. Farkran [0]:

3. Alisae [2]:

Day#701, Menalque#745

4. PookyTheMagicalBear [2]:

NorwegianboyEE#539, Farkran#722

5. Chara [0]:

6. Luca Blight [0]:

7. NorwegianboyEE [0]:

8. Menalque [1]:

Alisae#884

9. LegoLucy [0]:

10. Sujimichi [1]:

Luca Blight#485

11. Ydrasse [0]:

12. Day [2]:

LegoLucy#615, skitter30#813

13. Something_Smart [1]:

Something_Smart#9

no elimination [0]:

Not Voting [4]:

Sujimichi, Ydrasse#74, PookyTheMagicalBear#773, Chara#806

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Luca Blight · Post Post #901 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:33 pm

In post 769, Farkran wrote:Eh, i see him pushing full force against alisae at first, then lowering his degree of certainty by several orders of magnitude for... no reason at all, except norwee asking a question that has nothing to do with alisae actions?

I just don't get why doing that = scum

Scum are more concerened about read consistency. Confident Town players can ebb and flow, push hard when they feel the need and take a step back as appropriate. Even when you're pushing your strongest SR as Town, don't you also get moments of uncertainty? Why is it required to tunnel the shit out of your scumread? It's not natural

And while Townies do tunnel a lot, it's certainly easier for scum to tunnel away rather than reconsider and open themselves up to vulnerability, which you seem to have jumped on here

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #902 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:33 pm

In post 874, Alisae wrote:you know I don't lock things in the long haul.
I want to see if we have any common ground in anywhere or scumreads? Like, what do we agree on, what do we disagree on?

probably right now

townread:

skitter

townlean:

norwee
SS

unsorted:
everyone else

Alisae · Post Post #903 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:34 pm

In post 897, LegoLucy wrote:Esteemed Alisae does not intentionally play wolf the way Esteemed Alisae plays villager. However, Esteemed Alisae may intentionally play wolf the way people
expect
em to play villager.

These are only the same when people are smart

They're not the same at all.
What?
One Night Stand if anything just shows that I can play a more reactive scumgame tailored to people who only think that I'm reactive as town and proactive as scum.
The things that make me scum are still the same and pooky's description of my scumgame is mostly fine.

Alisae · Post Post #904 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:34 pm

In post 899, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 867, Alisae wrote:Wasn't SS really good at reading this player?
No?

Really?
I thought for some reason that historically you've been good at reading them

Alisae · Post Post #905 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:34 pm

In post 902, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 874, Alisae wrote:you know I don't lock things in the long haul.
I want to see if we have any common ground in anywhere or scumreads? Like, what do we agree on, what do we disagree on?
probably right now

townread:

skitter

townlean:

norwee
SS

unsorted:
everyone else

read mena's posts and get back to me on that

Day · Post Post #906 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:35 pm

In post 827, skitter30 wrote:day, i appreciate the response, ty
unfortunatley i kinda feel like you're a bit wishy-washy rn :/

pooky ty for that one too!!

people i have some level of a townread on: pooky, lucy (maybe?), fark, luca, ss , norwee

i thought about including mena but decided to take him out - i think that's more of a ping than anything else

It's strange how you phrase that. Are you normally so sympathetic to people you think are scum?

ISO · Post Post #907 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:37 pm

In post 904, Alisae wrote:I thought for some reason that historically you've been good at reading them

Luca kinda implied that by pointing out that I've played with Suji as both alignments. I have, in fact, played exactly two games with Suji, one of which I replaced into really late and the other of which Suji was executed D1 with my vote, but iirc it was mostly a compromise vote and I didn't especially scumread them.

Alisae · Post Post #908 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:37 pm

ISO · Post Post #909 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:38 pm

In post 876, skitter30 wrote:ali my reads overlap with yours a fair amt actually

Doesn't Ali have almost everyone as town? So that's hardly surprising...

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #910 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:38 pm

In post 905, Alisae wrote:read mena's posts and get back to me on that

mena's been in a strange place emotionally and it would explain a lot of the inconsistencies in his play recently.

I find he will usually either bleeding town reveal himself or just be unable to get in the game at all.

Day · Post Post #911 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:40 pm

In post 774, skitter30 wrote:
In post 657, Farkran wrote:
In post 637, skitter30 wrote:Also i kinda like norwee, i dont remember if i sad that
Unexpected from you, but i agree, which is unexpected from me too

I don't think my reads are particularly different from skitter (also unexpected), i'd like more insight wrt Day from you if possibile
i don't really have any thoughts on day

In post 813, skitter30 wrote:ty

VOTE: day

What changed in this time, skitter?

skitter30 · Post Post #912 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:40 pm

In post 906, Day wrote:It's strange how you phrase that. Are you normally so sympathetic to people you think are scum?

Often, yes

Alisae · Post Post #913 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:41 pm

ya i think ima make like a tree and get outa here and let things develop.
Maybe I'll figure out what it is exactly I want to do later

Alisae · Post Post #914 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:42 pm

Pooky if u still have me as scum and ur town u should push me.
You know how I work and you know this is helpful for me if I'm town.

skitter30 · Post Post #915 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:42 pm

In post 909, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 876, skitter30 wrote:ali my reads overlap with yours a fair amt actually
Doesn't Ali have almost everyone as town? So that's hardly surprising...

That's kinda fair

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #916 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:43 pm

In post 914, Alisae wrote:Pooky if u still have me as scum and ur town u should push me.
You know how I work and you know this is helpful for me if I'm town.

that would be an incredible waste of my time if you were town here.

skitter30 · Post Post #917 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:43 pm

In post 911, Day wrote:What changed in this time, skitter?

I decided to unvote ydrasse and was looking for a new vote

Alisae · Post Post #918 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:44 pm

In post 916, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 914, Alisae wrote:Pooky if u still have me as scum and ur town u should push me.
You know how I work and you know this is helpful for me if I'm town.
that would be an incredible waste of my time if you were town here.

How is setting up the conditions for me to succeed a waste of ur time?

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #919 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:44 pm

In post 918, Alisae wrote:How is setting up the conditions for me to succeed a waste of ur time?

well you wouldn't succeed, If I pushed you, you would just die lol.

Alisae · Post Post #920 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:45 pm

then just don't kill me

ISO · Post Post #921 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:45 pm

In post 915, skitter30 wrote:That's kinda fair

Which reads overlapped?

Luca Blight · Post Post #922 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:45 pm

In post 842, skitter30 wrote:luca remind me how much experience you have with norwee again?

i'm not gonna townlock you pooky

A fair bit in the past, a couple of games recently. We also played as scum together in the past.

I've always read him correctly, and can see such a stark difference between his Town and scum play. There are certain players on this site I can read really well, and he is one of them.

Actually in the most recent game he was a sk in a large normal that wasn't known of until late in the game, and I knew for a fact he wasn't Mafia. We had pretty much the same views on everything the whole way through. When the Mafia were eliminated and I had to make the call in ELO, Norwee resorted back to his scum play and I saw that as well and eliminated him in ELO.

Anyway

VOTE: Norwegian

Probably no chance of getting this elim today but at least I can say I told you so later.

I'm actually not 100% yet but I feel pretty sure

Day · Post Post #923 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:45 pm

VOTE: Sujimichi

The rest of Alisae's play has been okay even if I didn't like that one take from them.

Sujimichi, Sujimichi, Sujimichi...

Day · Post Post #924 (ISO) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:46 pm

Luca Blight's my strongest townread.