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[T3]

Or we could just wait for the replacement and hopefully they obvtown.

[GrandpaMo]

can we request a prod already on pine? it has been way more than 48 hours.

I imagine they get 48 hours from the start of Day 2, so even through they only have 2 posts so far all game, I don't think that they can technically be prodded yet

lmfao i thought we could still request a prod if maj of playerbase agrees to right?

[VFP]

Or we could just wait for the replacement and hopefully they obvtown.

T3 trying to not lose his buddy?

[T3]

Or we could just wait for the replacement and hopefully they obvtown.

T3 trying to not lose his buddy?

That's what I do as eithr alignment and I think you know that.

[VFP]

A50
T3

Gypyx
Pooky

Lukewarm

Bingle
Grandpa
Mena

NM

Pine

I'm finding it hard to scum read players this game.
I think 1 deep wolf

I think Pine purely because I don't see anyone as strong scum.
There's 1 scum in Null to scum and 1 in the towns I think.

I'd be happy with an NM lim here too.

[GrandpaMo]

Or we could just wait for the replacement and hopefully they obvtown.

T3 trying to not lose his buddy?

That's what I do as eithr alignment and I think you know that.

oh so u can reply to them but not me... okay buddy...

[GrandpaMo]

A50
T3

Gypyx
Pooky

Lukewarm

Bingle
Grandpa
Mena

NM

Pine

I'm finding it hard to scum read players this game.
I think 1 deep wolf

I think Pine purely because I don't see anyone as strong scum.
There's 1 scum in Null to scum and 1 in the towns I think.

I'd be happy with an NM lim here too.

what? so you think there is one scum in

A50
T3

Gypyx
Pooky

Lukewarm

?

and one scum in

Bingle
Grandpa
Mena

NM

Pine

?

can you explain that logic pls

[GrandpaMo]

lol i thought t3 said this... i was gonna say ur weird preposition to change styles is concerning

[Not_Mafia]

A50
T3

Gypyx
Pooky

Lukewarm

Bingle
Grandpa
Mena

NM

Pine

I'm finding it hard to scum read players this game.
I think 1 deep wolf

I think Pine purely because I don't see anyone as strong scum.
There's 1 scum in Null to scum and 1 in the towns I think.

I'd be happy with an NM lim here too.

I drove the drap elim

[GrandpaMo]

A50
T3

Gypyx
Pooky

Lukewarm

Bingle
Grandpa
Mena

NM

Pine

I'm finding it hard to scum read players this game.
I think 1 deep wolf

I think Pine purely because I don't see anyone as strong scum.
There's 1 scum in Null to scum and 1 in the towns I think.

I'd be happy with an NM lim here too.

I drove the drap elim

bad rxn. because everyone was literally saying how it was so optimal for mafia to bus especially considering its not RB or MD.

[GrandpaMo]

i clicked submit by accident, but i was gonna say so claiming to drive that push is NAI for 2 reasons because of what i said and 2nd u actually didnt lol. gypyx did then u just came in and said that drap was scum.

there should be another reason why u are town

[VFP]

what? so you think there is one scum in

A50
T3
Gypyx
Pooky
Lukewarm?

and one scum in
Bingle
Grandpa
Mena
NM
Pine?

can you explain that logic pls

Deep wolf.
I'm not getting scum pings and that means I'm reading someone wrong pretty badly.
Unless this is you confessing that you're scum and your buddy is a null or less for me?

[GrandpaMo]

what? so you think there is one scum in

A50
T3
Gypyx
Pooky
Lukewarm?

and one scum in
Bingle
Grandpa
Mena
NM
Pine?

can you explain that logic pls

Deep wolf.
I'm not getting scum pings and that means I'm reading someone wrong pretty badly.
Unless this is you confessing that you're scum and your buddy is a null or less for me?

no im just curious. and honestly i agree. because that allignes with my logic that one is bussing (on day 1) and one is on the sidelines.

[GrandpaMo]

how do u feel about dann? @vfp

[VFP]

no im just curious. and honestly i agree. because that allignes with my logic that one is bussing (on day 1) and one is on the sidelines.

Yeah bussing most likely happened.
Personally I think scum lost a great role but most players don't see it as much so. Scum probably didn't feel that they were losing too much with the bus compared to the other roles.

how do u feel about dann? @vfp

I was actually suspecting Dann as a decent scum choice last night. So his death only does me a favour.

[Bingle]

lmfao i thought we could still request a prod if maj of playerbase agrees to right?

Some mods will provide informal prods if requested, but there's no real function of prod via request for most games.

Pine's lack of presence D1 is neither surprising nor noteworthy. He has a meta of just not playing D1 unless you drag it out of him and he's generally strong enough late game that people (including me) let him get away with it more often than not. This is probably a flake, though, as Pine has been busy IRL as far as I can tell. (He hasn't posted on site in the last week, from a brief glance at his post history, although I didn't switch accounts to check for a subforum presence.

[Bingle]

bad rxn. because everyone was literally saying how it was so optimal for mafia to bus especially considering its not RB or MD.

It's not optimal for mafia to bus (and in fact, this setup is fairly antibus in general). If a player were going to bus, it would be more likely for the RB to bus, as they are the scum player who needs to survive the most. Generally with a D1 elimination bussing comes late or from players who jumped on and then never had a chance to move somewhere else. Neither of these apply to N_M in any meaningful way. (N_M hardpushed drap from a point where drap wasn't really under a ton of pressure and never let up.)

[Bingle]

What can I do for you Bingle?

You're not someone I'm specifically waiting on, but if you're looking for a place that analysis is needed I'd be interested in seeing NKA or wagon comp analysis.

I'm mostly staying quiet because I feel like I dominated the discussion D1 and I would like to see where it leads when I take a more passive role in things + A50 and the rest of the hypoclaims.

[GrandpaMo]

bad rxn. because everyone was literally saying how it was so optimal for mafia to bus especially considering its not RB or MD.

It's not optimal for mafia to bus (and in fact, this setup is fairly antibus in general). If a player were going to bus, it would be more likely for the RB to bus, as they are the scum player who needs to survive the most. Generally with a D1 elimination bussing comes late or from players who jumped on and then never had a chance to move somewhere else. Neither of these apply to N_M in any meaningful way. (N_M hardpushed drap from a point where drap wasn't really under a ton of pressure and never let up.)

didn't you say otherwise? hold on lemme quote.

[GrandpaMo]

We 100% should be aiming to murderface the Roleblocker specifically today, which means that we're aiming specifically for the most protected of the scumlords. The roleblocker, assuming setup understanding, will have been marginally more likely to bus and will be marginally less likely to have been bussed. I intend at some point to look through Drap's townreads as that is where I'll be focusing the majority of my attention.

this i believe

[GrandpaMo]

We 100% should be aiming to murderface the Roleblocker specifically today, which means that we're aiming specifically for the most protected of the scumlords. The roleblocker, assuming setup understanding, will have been marginally more likely to bus and will be marginally less likely to have been bussed. I intend at some point to look through Drap's townreads as that is where I'll be focusing the majority of my attention.

this i believe

[Bingle]

didn't you say otherwise? hold on lemme quote.

You were reading into what I was saying, I believe.

In this setup, scum is greatly disadvantaged by losing any of their team. The roles in order of power are RB>Encryptor>MD. What I had said was that if bussing happened (implied by a D1 scumflip) RB is slightly more likely to have been the one who bussed than the one who didn't.

[Bingle]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Summation of points:

Hardbussing was unlikely.
Scum was probably onwagon at some point, either as someone who tried to distance and had it backfire or someone who joined late for towncred.
RB is more likely to have been fishing for towncred, though this point isn't particularly hard and fast as it's also driven by individual responses.
The way N_M approached the Drap wagon doesn't look like scum who knew their partner was going down anyway or scum who didn't actually intend to get the elimination, and so is probably town regardless.

[Almost50]

Still waiting on Pine & Gypyx to report in, but I kinda think my guilty is actually on the Babysitter, so I will announce a hypothetical guilty on T3 instead.

[Bingle]

Yeah, okay. A50 is town.