Mini Normal 2211 || Summer Meet [Endgame]

[Egix96]

humaneatingmonkey (4): Umlaut, Anya, geraintm, InsidiousLemons
osuka (2): Bugspray, Ivyeo
Umlaut (1): geraintm
Anya (1): choof
geraintm (1): Andante
T3 (1): Egix96
Andante (1): osuka

With 12 players, how many are the mafia? 3?

Fwiw, I've only played one 12p mini before, but yes it had three scum.

You being top wagon doesn't feel like a good idea to me. I need to catch up anyway.

[Egix96]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

So when can I expect you to start doing... you know, something?

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Egix96]

I'll speak when I have meaningful things to say, but you're forcing my hand into typing more than I'd want to by going off on me.

If playing the game of mafia isn't taking you out of your comfort zone, that's a bad thing

[Anya]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

So when can I expect you to start doing... you know, something?

VOTE: Dunnstral

cheap vote the sort i'd find in a discount store having a summer sale

VOTE: Egix

[T3]

okay SO searching T3's vast ISO of 8 posts for reads and/or opinions we find:

Spoiler: intrepid sleuthing

Egix and choof giving good vibes.

egix96

and

choof

(replaced by

humaneatingmonkey

) - townlean

Andnte'sread on Ivy feels as forced as putting a squre peg into a round hole.
Umlaut town.

andante

- scumlean (?)

umlaut

- town

The later additions to this readlist almost feel made to appease. And the "Andante looks like a wrong towny" is newbscum deflection. VOTE: Ivyeo

Ivyeo

(who has been on the site for 6 months longer than T3) - newbscum

I don't see a scum gerain just openly saying this.

I think Andante is town based on the general meta vibes.

gerain

- townlean (?)

andante again

- town now "based on the general meta vibes" and also because

You seem less confident and more argumentative and that I think aligns with town you.

hm.

and finally:

lemons hardcore townposting, conftown
hem can be townish for now

Explain? I hve hem as lean tow n and am not sure about lemons.

monkey

(post-replacement) - still townlean

lemons

- null

phew! what a journey. organizing this into a reads list, we get:

Umlaut

- town

Andante

- townlean

geraintm

- townlean

Egix96

- townlean

humaneatingmonkey

- townlean

InsidiousLemons

- null

Ivyeo

- scum

bugspray

- unspecified

Anya

- unspecified

osuka

- unspecified

Dunnstral

- unspecified

@T3 do you agree with the list as it appears here? have any of your reads changed or become clearer since you first made them? please interact with this game or any of the players this is really sad

Yes, I do. Dunn hasn't done anything, null. osuka and bugspray idk, Anya scumlean.

[InsidiousLemons]

can you point to anything in anya's gameplay that makes her scum? are you still happy with your vote on ivy?

[InsidiousLemons]

so with these in no particular order, why choose me and why have you spent most of your time on T3?

because i feel i have the least information on T3. and just because i didn't put them in a specific order doesn't mean i don't have preferences within the list. i feel my vote is best on you right now, it's as simple as that

[InsidiousLemons]

see 393 and 395 for more on why i'm engaging primarily with T3 right now

[Andante]

Ivyeo

(who has been on the site for 6 months longer than T3) - newbscum

I've been on the site for a while, but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will.

Why is this necessary to bring up? Who cares how long someone has been here, you'll have reads and reasons, so regardless of experience the reasons better match the reads? This game of mafia isn't super hard to play when you're new to either...

[Andante]

lmao Lemons complaining that T3 isn't interacting with the game but had enough content in 8 posts to organize a readlist. surely, you understand the irony.

If only you knew what it's like to play with T3....

[Andante]

gerain, a scumread that you have, is doing a worse job than T3.

FACTS.

[InsidiousLemons]

Ivyeo

(who has been on the site for 6 months longer than T3) - newbscum

I've been on the site for a while, but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will.

Why is this necessary to bring up? Who cares how long someone has been here, you'll have reads and reasons, so regardless of experience the reasons better match the reads? This game of mafia isn't super hard to play when you're new to either...

its a response to my post that she literally quoted lol

[Andante]

Alright, I'm going through everyone and figuring out where my thoughts lay.now that we got someone at 4 votes, I think I really need to just examine everyone cause at the end of this, I don't wanna feel like I'm "taking the easy way out" with a gerain vote. Anya is first on the list!


So, they're a little out of order, but looking at Anya's ISO, I'm ignoring the "fun posts" she has a significant amount of role talk, which to me, feels really weird in the RVS, from stuff like obscure roles to scum having no PT. I have literally never heard of scum never having a PT. But we'll just ignore that, like, ok, Anya wanting to discuss roles first thing, ok, not towny, but I'll let it slide.

Spoiler: Role Talk

i have a feeling "custom-order" means something maybe the roles in this game will be different or unusual

No, because:

Flavor has no effect on the game.

i mean cook has been hyping up how hes gonna mod a game since he joined so i bet it's going to be a creative setup which generally means there's either hoods, a rolecop, or a tracker because those are some of the more interesting setup creation toys

...Kind of feels like you just pulled out random roles to call creative

is this one wolf communicating their roles to another wolf

maybe they can't talk and have to use the vulnerability of public communication

i have a feeling "custom-order" means something maybe the roles in this game will be different or unusual

day roles

like if bugspray is a day tracker who wants to catch a day cop so needs advice from their partners in crime

anyway it says any PT will have daytalk which is an interesting way of putting it

it means wolves could just have no PT and therefore no talk at all and no daytalk

i think cook would just say wolves have daytalk if it were that simple

No, that's just a general way of covering roles like neighbor and mason

idk we'll see it's just a feeling

i'll be on the lookout for secret communication though so you better use morse code to escape my introspection

nonetheless we're voting together

bugspray encouraging lemons to vote together this game?

^ I think Anya saw this post and completely ignored the context of it, bugspray joked about eating fruit, lemons was like "nah" and bugspray was like "it's ok, we're voting the same person" I don't see how this would warrant Anya to go "bugspray encouraging lemons to vote together this game?" like, that statement for that context feels out of place.

i like how choof and lemons are actually trying to advance the collective town info pool despite how unhelpfuil this RVS has been

I was going to ask if this was on the basis of just 95 and 98 since they were the only gamestate-advancing posts I could see by them but looking back on the thread I guess you're right that that still puts them above average.

I actually disagree with Egix in 108, Lemons' post seems like actually trying to understand and read Anya whereas Choof was just poking at me for something they would have understood already if they read the thread (and did understand a few posts later in 102)

Anya wagon is bad, I offer an alternative:

VOTE: choof

I really dislike 102, partially because they should be

voting

Anya if they suspect her and aren't already voting someone better, but mostly because the "reasons" they're giving for a scummo vibe seem less like things that a person would

actually

expect more from scum and more like things a person would

imagine

being legitimate cause for a scumread.

raccoon you seem like town this time i want to trust you and never look back

VOTE: choof

^ So Umlaunt is town because they don't like your wagon? Like, based on your reply feels like you didn't read anything they said, like if I were to ask you "why is chook scum?" you'd probably go "Idk" this feels like an actual vote, not an RVS one, but it doesn't feel like it stems from an original read, meaning I don't think you're reading this game at all.

i was kidding about the daytalk and multiple teams stuff btw i read the setup post before the game started

was looking for those juicy cranberry reactions i think dunnstral's was slightly town

^ "Was looking for reactions" uhh you sure you were trying to find reactions? Cause it looked like you were doing minimal stuff to cause reactions, and idk, none of your role stuff seemed like you were trying to get reactions. I'm trying not to bias myself into thinking you're scum, cause I honestly don't like any of your content thus far, but like, I'm not sure how I could see this coming from town. You "got reactions" from the role talk, people started voting you, and you were like "haha just rxns"

t4 is so towny it hurts my eyes to stare i don't know what you all are on about

^ I'm not sure what T3 has done thus far in the game to seem towny, would've been nice for you to explain.

was looking for those juicy cranberry reactions i think dunnstral's was slightly town

Can you elaborate on this?

i was posting random theories to see how people would react

^ Now, I feel like this would've been better to include in your earlier post "I was posting random theories to get reactions" idk, I'll summarize thoughts at the bottom of this. Cause "random theories" has been all of your content... and that's where I have issues.

i like the ivy vines and the apples growing on my tree and also the scarfed dog perched on a branch oh and also the raccoon nested up there it's a beautiful scene

andante constant back and forth and paranoia over me feels really non-virtual

the monkey eater meanwhile is roaming around in my garden digging random holes in the ground and chucking mud at my window i don't like it

Ok, half of this feels like you're making reads, but I'm not deciphering morse code to figure out a basic read you're outing. I know this is your play style and how you play, but like, can you at least try to make your reads readable?? cause this is either a read, or sentences you strung together cause you've given us all nicknames. Like, if I deeply analyzed this, I could figure out who you tr/sr but there's no reasons attatched to this.

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

So when can I expect you to start doing... you know, something?

VOTE: Dunnstral

cheap vote the sort i'd find in a discount store having a summer sale

VOTE: Egix

^ And here, it's like, if you were trying to get reactions I feel like you'd act differently, this vote from you doesn't feel like it stems from a towny mindset, you jump into their convo like "cheap vote" like, just let them talk to each other?? I mean, sure you're welcome to make a read on someone, but jumping in and only saying "cheap vote" ehhhhh.




Alright, the TLDR/Summary of Anya: I feel like Anya has no focus this game yet. Like, I quoted every single "significant" line from Anya thus far. And I just feel like she's not really reading the thread/ caring enough to out a single actual read. Even if it was a random tunnel, anything to actually drive reactions. But to me, having crazy play then going "it was for reactions" doesn't really fly with me... Honestly, I think I'm ending this read with a Scum Lean on Anya, I give up with meta, I'm taking this at value of what it is, its been scummy play, don't think I see anything I CAN TR from Anya, so I'll end on a Scum Lean, and hey, if she's town, hopefully she takes this post as it's time to get it together, and start playing like a town.

[Andante]

but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will.

ehhh I just hated the "but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will." part lol like, "so make of that what you will" to me feels like she's trying to use lack of experience as an excuse for something, idk, I've played with a lot of "I did X so I can't be scum!!" recently, so I'm sure I'm overthinking it

[geraintm]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

I'm not sure how to reply .
I am not sure how on earth I could not be scummy in your eyes.
I am behaving like I have done previously as town, therefore I am scum faking jt.
If I wasn't behaving like I have done previously as town, would I get called out then too?

[Andante]

Next up, we have Bugspray!!

i have a feeling "custom-order" means something maybe the roles in this game will be different or unusual

No, because:

Flavor has no effect on the game.

i mean cook has been hyping up how hes gonna mod a game since he joined so i bet it's going to be a creative setup which generally means there's either hoods, a rolecop, or a tracker because those are some of the more interesting setup creation toys

^ Hmm engaging in Anya's setup spec... interesting, personally I think setup spec this early is anti towny, but we all have different ideas of what's towny.

i like how choof and lemons are actually trying to advance the collective town info pool despite how unhelpfuil this RVS has been

^Good post, I like when people acknowledge those being towny, I feel like that's a good look, like "hey, look at X they're being towny" Also, a reason for a TR is also a good thing! cough cough Anya... reasons...

Bug do you think that Choof and lemons are inherently towny for this?

i think trying to push the game out of stagnant states is something scum are usually very reluctant to do. in theory a scuim

could

do it for wifom reasons but considering that is just forcefeeding myself poisoned wine

Scum would want to stay in RVS you say?

Spoiler: Don't worry, I'm not trying to keep us in RVS or anything!

dont lump me in with lemons that is my first serious post

yeah? well now you're making interesting posts.

let's wagon this VOTE: anya

VOTE: t3 anything else?

^Cause those votes feel like RVS to me

There has barely been anything AI so far

you should just do some crazy shit so that we can also read you better and not have akwward andante reads

^ I mean, at least I gave a read, saw something, pushed it.

VOTE: umlaut/vote] i absolutely don't understand the levels of logic in that argument agasint choof and it seems like there's stairs missihng and your brain leaped the gap without notigcing

^ Umm this reaction, Like sure I might not 100% agree with that, but I think that argument is easy to follow? so idk what you're thinking, Like, so far, that umlaunt read is a LOT more effort than I've seen from you, I tend to appreciate those putting forth effort early game, like umlaunt laid out their thinking, and all I've seen from you so far has been a sentence or 2 responding to various things, nothing original from your thinking.

a disgusting porportion of osuka's posting is literally just being an unwiped asshole to other players. these types of non constructive posts should

never

be made by intelligent town players who are playing to their win condition. osuka is clearly not an idiot and therefore the only rational explanation is that the slot is scum.

^ Welcome to the joys of osuka! If you think this game is bad, should've seen the last one...

Rereading Umlaut moves up to town lean

Bugspray still stays up there

what did you see that made you make these decisions?

^ Honestly, I would also be curious as to why Ivy said Bugspray is so strong of a tr...


Sooo TLDR/Summary - I don't think Bugspray has done anything to deserve a TR thus far, I don't think they've given an actual read thus far, I know the game is still young, but commenting on other people's reads without reads of your own? ehhh. I also don't think I entirely SR Bugspray yet either, cause they had some decent lines, I look forward to seeing their content the rest of the game, and if I see no actual reads by the end of D1 from them, I'm moving them to Scum Lean, but for now I'll just put them in null, there's nothing really alignment indicative I don't think in this.

[Andante]

2 people is good enough for now, I'm taking a break and shall return later to read more yall. if you have questions on anything I read or you had a different take on something I thought, feel free to share.

[Egix96]

2 people is good enough for now, I'm taking a break and shall return later to read more yall. if you have questions on anything I read or you had a different take on something I thought, feel free to share.

Regarding 106/166

Even if those votes didn't have a lot to work from, I do feel like they were made with an intent to help move the game along.

[Ivyeo]

Ivyeo

(who has been on the site for 6 months longer than T3) - newbscum

I've been on the site for a while, but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will.

Why is this necessary to bring up? Who cares how long someone has been here, you'll have reads and reasons, so regardless of experience the reasons better match the reads? This game of mafia isn't super hard to play when you're new to either...

I was responding to someone implying that I couldn't be newbscum because I had more experience than T4...

[Ivyeo]

but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will.

ehhh I just hated the "but I also took a break for multiple months and am oplaying my fifth game, so make of that what you will." part lol like, "so make of that what you will" to me feels like she's trying to use lack of experience as an excuse for something, idk, I've played with a lot of "I did X so I can't be scum!!" recently, so I'm sure I'm overthinking it

This doesn't make sense for what I was responding to

[Ivyeo]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

I'm not sure how to reply .
I am not sure how on earth I could not be scummy in your eyes.
I am behaving like I have done previously as town, therefore I am scum faking jt.
If I wasn't behaving like I have done previously as town, would I get called out then too?

Even here it seems like you're just a scum who knows what they do as town and is intentionally playing it. The behavior isn't towny in of itself, so doing it because you did it as town doesn't change that.

[Ivyeo]

415 was a good post. Bugsprays been moving down my TR especially as they still haven't responded to my request for reads from them

[InsidiousLemons]

417 and 420 are good posts.

reaffirming that andante looks town judging by their thought process as compared to last game. happy with this

agreed that bugspray's lack of responsiveness and initiative is troubling

[Andante]

2 people is good enough for now, I'm taking a break and shall return later to read more yall. if you have questions on anything I read or you had a different take on something I thought, feel free to share.

Regarding 106/166

Even if those votes didn't have a lot to work from, I do feel like they were made with an intent to help move the game along.

Ehh I could see it like slightly trying to push RVS along, but it felt weird give they said something about staying in RVS and their posts around it were rvs votes, not certain enough for me to push anything yet

[Anya]

i'll do the deep analysis for you andante
ivy vines = ivyeo
apples = lemons
scarfed dog = andante
raccoon = umlaut