Newbie 2064 - (GG)

[NinjaStore]

navigatorv is reading more townish at this point.

This is the general town conscience at this point, is there a reason you're saying this now?

Some gut. He seems to be putting in a real effort to read people. Some of his actions that I focused on earlier seem to just be due to his personality. That's been made clearer now. And he brought up that I had confirmation bias when going through possible connections between him, Micc, and Dum, which is probably true.

[NinjaStore]

I can't find the post but someone mentioned earlier than eliminating Fizz wouldn't provide us with much info, and I agree.

[JacksonVirgo]

I had to deal with a seeming brick wall twice in a row which is spitting ridiculous accusations

Accusations that seem to come from a person you think is scum, not from someone you think is town. Why would you get heated with those?

Man, is this a new meta? Going for vulnerability and self-awareness when caught? It's very hard to engage you when you're agreeing with me and chalking it up as a simple mistake. It's very effective.

In my last game, I got heated when I thought they were scum too. It's not just this game where I am doing it so the slip you saw was not.

[JacksonVirgo]

I had to deal with a seeming brick wall twice in a row which is spitting ridiculous accusations

Accusations that seem to come from a person you think is scum, not from someone you think is town. Why would you get heated with those?

Man, is this a new meta? Going for vulnerability and self-awareness when caught? It's very hard to engage you when you're agreeing with me and chalking it up as a simple mistake. It's very effective.

In my last game, I got heated when I thought they were scum too. It's not just this game where I am doing it so the slip you saw was not.

Given I came to the realization afterwards that they were Town but I was dead set on them and Orc being scum.

[NinjaStore]

If fizz isn't scum, she's a very unhelpful town, barely talking about anything other than not being scum.

[NinjaStore]

Fizz, if you're not scum, convince us who is.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I know Fizz' answer. I want to know who she thinks is town. That's a much more interesting answer.

[NinjaStore]

Micc feels like he's town.

You made this read very early. Why was that?

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Micc

Teach us how to react to pressure, Micc.

I usually like to start by looking at the wagon and trying to understand why people are voting me. Is their case valid or is there some misunderstanding to be cleared up...are they campaigning for my elimination or just expressing their strongest read for the time being...are they arguing in good faith or just looking for a mid-elimination?

Navigatorv and Fizz Rabb seem to be pretty standard cases of Newbie sees aggressive wagoning and their instinct is to call it scum because scum’s goal is to make mis-eliminations. It’s a superficial level of thinking that basically everyone starts with. I’ve tried to explain how my aggressive wagoning can also be positive for Town, and I think they’ll understand with time.

Salsabil Faria could fall into the same category, but don’t have a great feel yet because her posting has been low substance.

You (HEM) presumably spent the 25 minutes between saying hi and voting me reading the game. You could have any number of motivations for the vote, but until you demonstrate a desire to see me eliminated today I’m going to take it as RVS.

Putting everything together, it doesn’t feel like a wagon with any real momentum and I’m satisfied with the extent I’ve justified my actions. My time tomorrow will be best spent working on making reads, but for now it’s well past bed time.

I have no idea how scum!Micc works but Micc could have shaded me here for going E-1 on him

[humaneatingmonkey]

Plus, I have the benefit of understanding that Micc isn't really as scummy as he was made out to be. His was the first move to go out of RVS.

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM check my last game with RationalMadman for me would ya. Hopefully that convinces you that that wasn't a slip.

[humaneatingmonkey]

can you link? I'm really lazy

[JacksonVirgo]

can you link? I'm really lazy

here

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Contents of this spoiler is all from another game.

But I am willing to vote this through to elimination without Rathe outing if everyone agrees Rathe is strobgly implying something here.

This is the scummiest thing I have ever heard in my life. Actually think about what you say before you say it.

If we do what you're wanting, if Andante is Doctor they will get eliminated without a counterclaim which wastes an elimination completely. If Andante is mafia fake-claiming, Rathe would die tonight out of policy just for keeping their vote on a PR claimant. What you're suggesting benefits only the Mafia and not the Town at all.

Also, Andante is already almost confirmed Town here, unless they're gamethrowing, as why would scum ever claim a PR when not even at E-1.

I believe that is where I started scum-reading them.

That post is where I start scum-reading them, after that I get incredibly heated and spoke as if they were stupid rather than had an agenda even though I had them as a SR.

[JacksonVirgo]

Just wondering if you are going to check that relatively soon, if not I'm going to sleep.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You gave this as proof that it wasn't a slip.

But what I saw here was 1. you didn't have them as your scumreads before being frustrated with them 2. you weren't actively pushing them as scum before them 3. you only scumread them for disagreeing with you 4. it didn't end in any way similar to what you have right now.

please tell me what i'm missing

[JacksonVirgo]

You gave this as proof that it wasn't a slip.

But what I saw here was 1. you didn't have them as your scumreads before being frustrated with them 2. you weren't actively pushing them as scum before them 3. you only scumread them for disagreeing with you 4. it didn't end in any way similar to what you have right now.

please tell me what i'm missing

You don't think that if I started scum-reading that whose logic frustrated me, I would chalk it up to them being scum? And no game is the same, what I wanted to show you is that I still can level with someone I scum-read, or make posts that is taking an assumption that they are Town even if I think they're scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Not to the point that you will make "gambits" where you would want to lynch yourself to see what the reaction of someone you think is scum. Implicitly, I think that's said with the intention that you assume James is town and he would reconsider how bad he's playing if only he saw you flip town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Not to the point that you will make "gambits" where you would want to lynch yourself to see what the reaction of someone you think is scum. Implicitly, I think that's said with the intention that you assume James is town and he would reconsider how bad he's playing if only he saw you flip town.

I said that because I gave up on trying, due to it happening twice in a row and as a final attempt I did that 'gambit'. You're assuming that I said that because I 'knew' they were Town and I want them to reconsider their reads yes? Because even if that was the case, that wouldn't go against my meta as me assuming my scum-read is town is exactly what I was quoting that to prove was at the very least not scum!AI for me

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm going to sleep now, girlfriends mad at me for being awake so late.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I understand it. My girlfriend's mad I've been playing too much mafia too.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Fizz we're doing this. Much as I wanna put Jacko out of their misery I'm not sure they're flipping red

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Fizz we're doing this. Much as I wanna put Jacko out of their misery I'm not sure they're flipping red

You're not convinced that he slipped?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Nah

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why?