Newbie 2065 | The Backrooms | Endgame

[Wayward Son]

Bulge - Slight town lean for starting with a serious vote and being willing to give Zyla more time to simmer rather than heading straight in on a push.

VOTE: Xlos

It's either this or Bulge imo. From re-reading, I think everyone else is town.

I have the bulge as pretty hard town tbh

Are you willing to go into more detail on this? I'm asking because I don't think I'll be able to form an actual read on Bulge that isn't just PoE, otherwise.

Could you explain this progression, please?

[Zyla]

This still doesn't read as a joke to me, it reads as Xlos breadcrumbing as mason. I think he wanted it to fly under the radar for a bit so that he could deny it if pressed, which he eventually did.

What would scum!Xlos gain from bread crumbing masons with Mix? Masons is a hard thing to fake claim if your supposed mason partner is not your scum partner, and they cannot both be scum at this point.

Honestly, I have no clue at the logic behind it, it's just what it felt like to me.

After all, he's very specific in saying that T3 isn't his mason partner, not that he isn't a Mason, not that he isn't partnered with T3.

If anything, Xlos leaving that possibility open is a pro-town move. If Xlos is not a PR, but leaves people to think that he might be one, then it can draw the NK with is a good thing.

It was more in context with the other bits that it looked suspicious to me

Maybe this is just bad math, but for it to be 50% chance of column C, you would have to know at least one of the roles is in the game that can't be in the third column, which only PRs and mafia know.

I am having a hard time finding a solid threw line for your thought processes. Because, you have repeatedly pointed out the possibility of someone being a PR as a reason we should be careful assuming they are scum, but then you don't think the same thing here. What makes this pr chance different then the others?

Spoiler:

Also, I don't think the math is bad. The first scum flip we see being a goon, ups the odds that we are in column C
Basically, T3 was either [Column A goon, Column B goon, Column C Goon1, or Column C Goon2]

But it was bad math! ... On my part. My bad Xlos

@Zyla, after I explained how to look at T3's games yourself, how many did you look over to decide that my meta case was not cherry picked?

I ended up looking at the same amount you posted, because I could only find the one scum!t3 game and a lot of t3's games seemed to be expiremental/non-standard

I would like to see what Wayward Son's and Mix's reads are at the present time. I may change my vote.

I really think it can't be anyone other than Zyla, with an off chance of Egix.

-snip-

@ Zyla If you're town, who do you think is framing you??? Personally I don't see anyone.

Ok, I'm confused, that's a complete 180 from the last read we heard from you

@ Zyla I had multiple pages open and somehow missed 301 until I read it in your ISO. Sorry.

Do you actually think Xlos is trying to frame you? I'm convinced Xlos isn't a Mason.

I never said I was being framed? I don't think the night kill had anything to do with me

I'm not so sure about Zyla being it. It seems like Lukewarm and Bulge are suspecting her in part because they don't understand her logic, especially Bulge:

@ Zyla This doesn't sound like someone trying to frame you.

Why are you even mentioning framing?

Last post tonight, I promise.

@ Zyla In 253 the first quote is attributed to Luke, but he didn't say that. Do you know how that happened?

I probably had multiple posts quoted and accidentally deleted the wrong opening tag
It's easy enough to change quotes or mess up the formatting tbh

Would y'all believe me if I said that Mix and I are actually masons?

/joke

[Lukewarm]

Zyla, are you still here?

[Lukewarm]

Hoping for a real time conversation

[Zyla]

I am, though I might have to leave sometime soon

[Lukewarm]

You skipped a question of mine

"I am having a hard time finding a solid threw line for your thought processes. Because, you have repeatedly pointed out the possibility of someone being a PR as a reason we should be careful assuming they are scum, but then you don't think the same thing here. What makes this pr chance different then the others?"

[Lukewarm]

That was in reference to when you thought Xlos had more info then you did. That did not seem to give you that immediate "maybe we should make sure he isn't a pr first" response

[Lukewarm]

What was your thought process there? That line about it was in your "My reasoning behind my scumread of Xlos" post.

[Zyla]

Whoops, I meant to respond to both parts of that post

The main reasoning behind the "maybe we should make sure he isn't a pr first" is that he was getting a worrying amount of votes way too early on in the day (at least in my mind) which would be bad if he were a vanilla townie, but the fact that (I assumed) most people were thinking he was a PR made it worse.
So the key difference was the votes vs just suspicion

[Lukewarm]

What does Xlos defending you make you think about his alignment?

[Lukewarm]

So the key difference was the votes vs just suspicion

That makes sense

[Zyla]

Honestly, I can't say Xlos defending me doesn't make me

want

to give him town points for it, but I try not to give people defending me any special points just because of how often WK/buddying stuff can get used to the mafia's advantage

[Zyla]

That being said, WWS is taking my top scum-spect slot rn

[Lukewarm]

That being said, WWS is taking my top scum-spect slot rn

Can you give me your top 3?

[Lukewarm]

I know that our most obvious win condition in finding the scum today, but if we can find 4 town players, we win. Are there any players you are comfortable putting into "I am confident they are town"

[Zyla]

That being said, WWS is taking my top scum-spect slot rn

Can you give me your top 3?

Suspect to Town

Wayward,
Xlos,
Bulge,
Lukewarm

Unsure of
Egix
Mix

[Zyla]

I know that our most obvious win condition in finding the scum today, but if we can find 4 town players, we win. Are there any players you are comfortable putting into "I am confident they are town"

Honestly, rn you(Lukewarm) are the only person I'm comfortable putting into that category.

[Lukewarm]

That being said, WWS is taking my top scum-spect slot rn

Can you give me your top 3?

Suspect to Town

Wayward,
Xlos,
Bulge,
Lukewarm

Unsure of
Egix
Mix

The formatting on that makes it hard for me to tell where you have bulge. Like, clearly less suspect then xlos but more then me, but like. is that leaning scum, but less then xlos? or is that leaning town, but less then me?

[Zyla]

That being said, WWS is taking my top scum-spect slot rn

Can you give me your top 3?

Scum-leaning

Wayward,
Xlos,

Neutral

Bulge,

Town-leaning

Lukewarm

Null-Read

Egix
Mix

I think that's clearer

[Lukewarm]

Ugh, I just need Mix to return

[Wayward Son]

Ugh, I just need Mix to return

I most definitely agree!

I never said I was being framed? I don't think the night kill had anything to do with me

You're getting a lot of heat, and

if

you're town, then someone might be trying to frame you. Or scum is letting town steer itself in the wrong direction. What do you think of Egix?

If you're town the NK couldn't have had anything to do with you. The NK is the thing that most makes me think I might be wrong on you.

[Zyla]

I never said I was being framed? I don't think the night kill had anything to do with me

You're getting a lot of heat, and

if

you're town, then someone might be trying to frame you. Or scum is letting town steer itself in the wrong direction. What do you think of Egix?

If you're town the NK couldn't have had anything to do with you. The NK is the thing that most makes me think I might be wrong on you.[/quote]
Gotcha, I'm mostly used to "framing" only being used in relation to who was killed
As far as egix, like I just said, my read is pretty null on them, considering how little they seem to post. Honestly though, with the fact that they've actually posted less than the gm, it's starting to feel more anti-town than just null. I'm tempted to look into his meta and see if that's normal for him as town, and tbh I usually dislike using meta (although it was helpful in T3's case)

[Egix96]

Could you explain this progression, please?

Because there was a scum flip, I re-read during the night phase, but focused on interactions with T3 more than on posts that may read as towny on their own but don't mention T3.

[Egix96]

As far as egix, like I just said, my read is pretty null on them, considering how little they seem to post. Honestly though, with the fact that they've actually posted less than the gm, it's starting to feel more anti-town than just null. I'm tempted to look into his meta and see if that's normal for him as town, and tbh I usually dislike using meta (although it was helpful in T3's case)

I don't usually post a lot, no. Tbf, I probably would have had more if D1 hadn't ended earlier than I expected.

[Egix96]

But to OMGUS vote a partner right off the bat and never let up would be some "nerves of steel" play with not a particularly high chance of success.

How exactly, though? Not meaning to be patronising or anything, I'm just finding it hard to process this argument.