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[Andresvmb]

Gamma not going to lie - re-reading D1 makes your play look horrible, and now you’re pushing me. You should almost always get flipped here just out of caution.

[Andresvmb]

Think I'll have to reread d2 cuz I feel convinced Gamma's being framed and I'm just confbiasing at this point. I feel like FMFT was already screwed after that hammer and scum sacced him in an attempt to draw out PRs.

This is such horrible revisionist history btw hahaha the Scum just offered FMFT up? That’s your idea? Because the way I see it, you wanted to completely avoid them based on their claim of being Informed. Just doesn’t track at all.

[Andresvmb]

I think VFP knew Gamma's role before it was revealed yesterDay and jumped the gun on voting him during FMFT'S partial claim.

This post in general is openly Scummy. I’m starting to think that Kyouko should get executed every time this game. We should perhaps be somewhat cautious if Gamma is Town but I can’t imagine a world with them as Town.

[Andresvmb]

Yeah I’m pretty sure Gamma is a reasonable vote. I also think that Johnny and Fox need to be a bit more obvious about what they would like to see happen here.

[Andresvmb]

Honestly I feel like my play here has been complete shit, outside of correctly reading RLotus and perhaps attacking Gamma early. I sailed to see FMFT as Scum quickly enough, I defended Kyouko and fought Italiano (though I reversed that eventually, thankfully), and I carelessly hammered VFP. At the very least I stopped pushing Noraa but even my read there was bad. I did turn around and start TR’ing there I think that became obvious and I was mostly annoyed at getting SR’ed but I’m also not going to defend my play too much - I’ve just been too absent. Hopefully I can change that moving forward.

[Andresvmb]

I was at some point tinfoiling a Team with Italiano in it (given their apparent accuracy, how are they still alive?), but Lukewarm was possibly a more direct threat to Scum, Dunn was a PR execution, and Noraa was just clearly Town, and started pushing Gamma. I really can’t imagine Gamma should live beyond today in this game. I think if Gamma survives, we’re collectively game throwing. It’s too risky to do anything else.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll be around if anyone wants to talk. I have another game to catch up on.

[Gamma Emerald]

Here’s a question for you. How the FUCK does activated informed get anyone out of an execution?

[ItalianoVD]

It was a joke

What was a joke? The tinfoil theory or the “scum and/or town” quote?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m thinking it was the and/or

[MaxTheFox]

Sorry for not talking much I was busy.

Currently re-reading the past few days.

[ItalianoVD]

I think we need to go Gamma and don’t second guess. We should’ve went there yesterday.

It also seemed like ssbm was setting himself up not to vote for Gamma once the role information came out. Like to me that was even more of a reason to vote there. Then there was the weird kyouko vote by Gamma claiming he was rolefishing, but then a townlock attempt the next day iirc. Then the early day 1 interaction and positioning between the two on the VFP wagon, etc. Maybe I was wrong on Johnny and it’s just Gamma and ssbm.

[ItalianoVD]

What’s going on in 1233 1235 & 1236

[ItalianoVD]

I would have targeted Italiano N1. Look at Italiano’s solve in 351. This is why I think they’re either Scum with STD or just Town. They’re entire Town pool at that stage is of flipped Town, except for STD. How is that not remarkable?

That’s what I’ve been saying to myself. If scum really is within Johnny, Gamma, ssbm, then I should be dead. That’s why I asked about Noraa because I was thinking I was gonna be the nightkill. Noraa kinda jumped off of Gamma late to get into that weird exchange with VFP even though she still scumread him.

[ItalianoVD]

I was at some point tinfoiling a Team with Italiano in it (given their apparent accuracy, how are they still alive?), but Lukewarm was possibly a more direct threat to Scum, Dunn was a PR execution, and Noraa was just clearly Town, and started pushing Gamma. I really can’t imagine Gamma should live beyond today in this game. I think if Gamma survives, we’re collectively game throwing. It’s too risky to do anything else.

Yeah it makes sense, but I was expecting to get killed before Noraa. It’s crazy because I’m usually left for lylo and it’s probably simply because I’m terrible at it.

[MaxTheFox]

Alrighty.

I re-read some key moments (stuff leading up to hammers especially) and Gamma has been looking quite scummy under scrutiny.

I won't hammer yet, I'll let people discuss first.

[MaxTheFox]

Gamma dies today tho. I don't want him in LYLO.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not voting Gamma today ftr

was there a reason for this

It's not in thread yet

I want this explained, thinking about it

[samantha97]

Votecount

Gamma Emerald [3]:

Save The Dragons, ItalianoVD, Andresvmb

[-1]

Andresvmb [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting: JohnnyFarrar, MaxTheFox, ssbm_Kyouko

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to reach majority.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-06-12 12:00:00) or when majority is reached.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Think I'll have to reread d2 cuz I feel convinced Gamma's being framed and I'm just confbiasing at this point. I feel like FMFT was already screwed after that hammer and scum sacced him in an attempt to draw out PRs.

This is such horrible revisionist history btw hahaha the Scum just offered FMFT up? That’s your idea? Because the way I see it, you wanted to completely avoid them based on their claim of being Informed. Just doesn’t track at all.

I'm town though so me wanting to avoid them initially due to the claim, and scum wanting to offer them up, are unrelated concepts that can coexist.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think VFP knew Gamma's role before it was revealed yesterDay and jumped the gun on voting him during FMFT'S partial claim.

This post in general is openly Scummy. I’m starting to think that Kyouko should get executed every time this game. We should perhaps be somewhat cautious if Gamma is Town but I can’t imagine a world with them as Town.

You were supposed to wait to try this toMorrow

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh dhit hes e-1 I have a guilty on andres

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: andres

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also as people seem lax about the votes please be careful with your vote if we hit Mlimlo in 2 days

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wanted to use the day phase to figure more out before I get NKed though so dont speedlim