Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Dwlee99]

Okay notscience, you can actually make math the leading wagon now if you stop self-voting.

[Titus]

So that's 8 v 8.

[Ircher]

VOTE: NDMath then. I think MCat is town here and hoping they're going to keep the effort level up.

What was the point in asking?

[MURDERCAT]

what makes you say that?

Seems unlikely you'd engage me like this if that were the case

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so wait, where is your scum LLD read from if not from thinking she was bussing?

My LLD read developed well before that and comes from the fact that LLD hasn't once given me the benefit of the doubt except for one moment with morph that I read as very fake.

LLD has continued to push me in a way that I find very opportunistic

, and her read on me only started when I revealed that I was scum reading LLD. In other words, if I'm the only townie that thinks that scum LLD is scum I am a good target to push and she has continued to push me with no deeper thought behind whether she believes she is correct.

What is opportunistic about my push?

Go on, explain the opportunism.

I've been on you all day, have scum read you since yesterday, and you've been playing like scum the entire time... with points I've been making across 2 days.

So where's the opportunism, MC?

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Oh, and everyone reading this conversation?

Please note that MC uses words like "Opportunism" and "Fake" because as of yet and STILL, MC has failed to provide an actual reason to scumread me.

So far his scumreads are "LLD WAS TOO CONFIDENT ON HER SCUM READ" but he knows as well as everyone in this game that I am that confident on my reads as both alignments in all games, so he's using NAI things to try and call me scum and then his only other point is "LLD is pushing me and it feels fake".

This is pure buzzword usage for the sake of survival. The truth is there's nothing opportunistic about my vote, he's just saying opportunism because it clicks in people's heads as "oh yeah I've seen scum do that before".

Like this isn't even a grey area case. There's literally no opportunism because I've been voting him all day minus a stint on Ircher for being anti-town, and I was scumreading him all yesterday until a better scumread came along and I pushed that instead.

[Chara]

VOTE: NDMath then. I think MCat is town here and hoping they're going to keep the effort level up.

i feel like this vote is going to haunt me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

pedit this is @ murdercat: how would you say your play is different from the notsci scumgame?

i think it would be hard for me to vote NDMath here, unless i was sure you were town, he is a watcher claim i don't really scumread, and i don't think there's time for another wagon, so full disclosure on that, but if you are town i'd like to understand your reads for going forward, and that is because of your reputation.

i also thought LLD's case against anya was too confident for what was there at the time... obviously, and it made it hard to get into day 2 considering i was proven wrong and my reaction was to decide to sheep LLD. so i'm not totally unwilling to believe it was because it was a bus, but to even start thinking about that would depend on your flip anyway.

for me i don't like how criticisms of your play seem to just be met with self-meta, it makes me think you're aware of your own town patterns and are just doing your best to replicate them.

Now take this and look at what I just quoted from him.

He is proving you right by saying things like opportunism.

His attacks are all air because he has nothing to go on. His words are all empty because it matters more that he doesn't die than he actually puts any pressure on me.

Consider this, MC is supposed to be scumhunting right? Instead of just trying to play pretend?

MC kind of magically developped a "guess NDMath is sort of scummy" read over the day. Why didn't MC push a wagon besides me during the day? Why is MC still trying to push me when I'm not happening as a vote today?

Because it's not about actually generating reads or being open for MC. It's about narrative control.

It's about thread control.

I stepped back for a moment to allow the thread to have competing wagons and not just power through with my iron fist, and he's used that to try and position himself in the "look at me I'm so townie for standing up to LLD and being wrong".

I've been there. I've done the tactic.

He's scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like everyone voting NDMath has to give me a good reason why those last 2 posts of mine and the past 2 pages of MC are town!MC, or get voting for MC. Seriously.

[notscience]

Why has noone pointed out that his break conveniently ended in the time town is most susceptible to deadline pressure

[Farkran]

MURDERCAT [8]:

NDMath

,

WhemeStar

,

Ircher

,

Bell

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Chara

,

Farkran

,

Sigmund

@Fark This is my gut take on my current wagon, I can't really reconcile Bell pushing me so hard with Ircher being town

I think this has internal consistency even if i disagree with ~5 out of 8 reads (namely me, bell, lld, possibly ircher, possibly whemestar)

Comparing to:

Final Votecount 1.14

Adventurers

:

Anya [13]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana, Bingle, Whemestar, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo

[Hammer!]

Sigmund [5]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

Not Voting [1]: Not_Mafia, morph the cat

Your reads are compatible with a world where 1 or 2 scum bussed anya.

Do you think flea is town? What do you make of flea voting ndmath?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: NDMath then. I think MCat is town here and hoping they're going to keep the effort level up.

What was the point in asking?

Couple reasons...
1) Didn't want to drop and go.
2) Didn't want to drop a blind hammer.
3) People sometimes give AI readable responses
5) Sometimes people can be overly verbose.
6) I'm pretty much gone in about an hour until late wednesday.
7) You never know.
8) I skipped 4.

[MURDERCAT]

LLD can you sum up your reason for scum reading me in a single line or two? Because I can and have done it for my read on you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MURDERCAT [8]:

NDMath

,

WhemeStar

,

Ircher

,

Bell

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Chara

,

Farkran

,

Sigmund

@Fark This is my gut take on my current wagon, I can't really reconcile Bell pushing me so hard with Ircher being town

I think this has internal consistency even if i disagree with ~5 out of 8 reads (namely me, bell, lld, possibly ircher, possibly whemestar)

Comparing to:

Final Votecount 1.14

Adventurers

:

Anya [13]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana, Bingle, Whemestar, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo

[Hammer!]

Sigmund [5]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

Not Voting [1]: Not_Mafia, morph the cat

Your reads are compatible with a world where 1 or 2 scum bussed anya.

Do you think flea is town? What do you make of flea voting ndmath?

INTERNAL CONSISTENCY CAN BE FAKED.

HE IS ABLE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH HIS FAKE READS, IT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S TOWN.

THE MORE CONCERNING FACT SHOULD BE THAT 5/8 OF HIS READS DON'T MATCH YOURS. THAT'S NOT A GOOD SIGN. IT EITHER MEANS YOU ARE INCREDIBLY OFF, OR HE'S SCUM.

[Dwlee99]

Why has noone pointed out that his break conveniently ended in the time town is most susceptible to deadline pressure

I feel like this is an unfair read into a V/LA.

Like everyone voting NDMath has to give me a good reason why those last 2 posts of mine and the past 2 pages of MC are town!MC, or get voting for MC. Seriously.

When you say words strong I can feel myself pulled toward it, but I also trust my own feelings on math.

[Titus]

Or Murdercat is incredibly off town.

[MURDERCAT]

Do you think flea is town? What do you make of flea voting ndmath?

Flea could easily slot into a place where I am wrong, e.g. Chara if math is scum or Bell if Ircher is in fact town

[notscience]

Was he vla? I missed that I retract it

I’m still not voting math lol

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: NDMath then. I think MCat is town here and hoping they're going to keep the effort level up.

i feel like this vote is going to haunt me.

*spooky noises*

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD can you sum up your reason for scum reading me in a single line or two? Because I can and have done it for my read on you

You've said nothing about why you think I'm scum.

I've said "LLD was too confident on Anya" and "LLD doesn't actually believe I'm scum."

Two statements that are completely air and you've provided no proof for because there is no proof to provide.

The reasons you are scum is because your entrance into the game was bad, you floated day 1 when Flea and Sigmun were TVT and only spoke up when Anya was getting in trouble. You disappeared today in hopes the Titus guilty would spare you and then showed up again to discredit me, instead of pushing an actual scumread for a vote, and finally you show up in a storm after doing nothing all day at deadline when your scumteam has been pushing NDMath all day to try and survive.

That's why you're scum. With provable annecdotal actions from you.

[Titus]

Was he vla? I missed that I retract it

I’m still not voting math lol

Then vote Murdercat please.

I hate begging for votes on a counterwagon but we still need an elimination.

[Farkran]

Morph and Mara please vote for MCat. If he flips green I will shoot SS for you tonight.

Shooting SS is a bad choice anyways

[morph the cat]

Lexi, Bell, notty, et al.

If we hand you murdercat and it's a town flipskies, until everyone in our little group of happy campers is dead, you go off the reads lists ffery and I posted, mmkay?

Because that's prolly his alignment, even though you're death tunneled.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Or Murdercat is incredibly off town.

If NDmath flips town, townies should shoot here ftr.

[morph the cat]

I have an entire plate of dirt(Well actually just gummi worms and pudding) to livestream me eating if he flips scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lexi, Bell, notty, et al.

If we hand you murdercat and it's a town flipskies, until everyone in our little group of happy campers is dead, you go off the reads lists ffery and I posted, mmkay?

Because that's prolly his alignment, even though you're death tunneled.

If he flips town I'm killing you next.

If he flips scum I'm killing Titus next.

If NDMath flips town, I'm killing Titus, THEN You.