Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because you're arguing a position where I have partner equity, right?

So in your current world view, I'd be bussing, correct?

So help me bus, Gork.

[Gorkington]

no and i dont really understand the point of the question when ive stated then i think you could be partners with two of the people in a pile that has a scum in it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

no and i dont really understand the point of the question when ive stated then i think you could be partners with two of the people in a pile that has a scum in it.

Then help me bus, Gork.

The point I made was that Gamma does have a weird interaction with me, but suggesting Kazyan is so beyond the pale it borders on ridiculous.

And you decided to argue, no, it's not ridiculous.

so do you think Kazyan is scum, Gork? or town?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like your viewpoints are currently inconsistent at best and extremely suspicious at worst.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

no and i dont really understand the point of the question when ive stated then i think you could be partners with two of the people in a pile that has a scum in it.

Oh, also, why didn't you include Unwnd in this pool of people who could have a scum in it? It's not like the worst's claim makes Unwnd 100% town, just mostly likely as I've described.

But you've just written off Unwnd completely, why is that?

[Gorkington]

youre certainly free to argue that im not smart or scum if thats the approach you want to take.

i just think unwnd is town right now.
i did already state that from your POV unwnd should still probably be a question mark.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

youre certainly free to argue that im not smart or scum if thats the approach you want to take.

i just think unwnd is town right now.
i did already state that from your POV unwnd should still probably be a question mark.

You think Unwnd is town right now?

Thank you for confirming your logic.

So now, given you and others (myself included) see Unwnd as mostly indelible town right now, do you think scum Gamma in any amount of times out of 100 decides to claim Parity Cop... and then claim KAZYAN AND UNWND?

Please logic through that question, and then I have another follow up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

youre certainly free to argue that im not smart or scum if thats the approach you want to take.

i just think unwnd is town right now.
i did already state that from your POV unwnd should still probably be a question mark.

Inconsistent doesn't mean stupid, it means your viewpoints are inconsistent. This is what is called attacking the play and not the player, Gork.

I'm saying either your view points are inconsistent (and I am currently asking questions to make them consistent or prove them otherwise) or you are being suspicious in pushing narratives that contain those inconsistencies.

[Gorkington]

well you were making it sound like youre townreading unwnd based purely on mechanical reasons which came across as an extremely shallow reason to drop a townread that you claimed to be incredibly confident in.
i dont see any reason why gamma has to make moves that logically make sense to me as scum who is under fire in terms of who he claims for his claim if hes lying.

p-edit: claiming that someone is being inconsistent with their logic as town is more or less inferring that i should be being smarter here as town, which is more or less what i feel like youre trying to get at with a lot of your points in this conversation right now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

youre certainly free to argue that im not smart or scum if thats the approach you want to take.

i just think unwnd is town right now.
i did already state that from your POV unwnd should still probably be a question mark.

You think Unwnd is town right now?

Thank you for confirming your logic.

So now, given you and others (myself included) see Unwnd as mostly indelible town right now, do you think scum Gamma in any amount of times out of 100 decides to claim Parity Cop... and then claim KAZYAN AND UNWND?

Please logic through that question, and then I have another follow up.

And so I would like you to answer this question, I'll even simplify it for you.

Do you find it remotely likely given the massive townreads on Unwnd that existed prior to Gamma being run up and forced to claim, that Gamma is faking their result? If so, why wouldn't Gamma fake a more useful result that wouldn't lock them down as much as this one has?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

well you were making it sound like youre townreading unwnd based purely on mechanical reasons which came across as an extremely shallow reason to drop a townread that you claimed to be incredibly confident in.
i dont see any reason why gamma has to make moves that logically make sense to me as scum who is under fire in terms of who he claims for his claim if hes lying.

p-edit: claiming that someone is being inconsistent with their logic as town is more or less inferring that i should be being smarter here as town, which is more or less what i feel like youre trying to get at with a lot of your points in this conversation right now.

Once again, no, it's got nothing to do with your intelligence, unless you think townies are incapable of making mistakes and needing those mistakes corrected? I've certainly made mistakes, doesn't make me bad at mafia.

I'm interrogating your view point to discover whether your mental processing and internal consistency lines up with these narratives you have pushed, or not. I can determine your alignment after, but I want to defeat the logic first.

[Gorkington]

i wasnt particularly under the impression that unwnd was widely being townread beyond him having been the worst's target?
why does gamma have to have some amazing move in mind when he was suddenly flash wagoned?

[Gorkington]

why arent you interrogating dannflor in the same way about his skepticism on gamma?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

well you were making it sound like youre townreading unwnd based purely on mechanical reasons which came across as an extremely shallow reason to drop a townread that you claimed to be incredibly confident in.

i dont see any reason why gamma has to make moves that logically make sense to me as scum who is under fire in terms of who he claims for his claim if hes lying.

p-edit: claiming that someone is being inconsistent with their logic as town is more or less inferring that i should be being smarter here as town, which is more or less what i feel like youre trying to get at with a lot of your points in this conversation right now.

Sure, he doesn't have to. But do you not think scum would be motivated to do a more reasonable claim?

And do you not think that Gamma was under no time pressure and had plenty of time to make his claim, or was his hand forced?

Finally, if his hand wasn't forced, and if he would be motivated to make a more reasonable claim, do you not think that Gamma as a player would be capable of reading the logic of why this particular claim is poor and not doing it?

Remember, this isn't a place Gamma can hide in absurdism to appear so scummy he's town. He claimed a result that LOCKS him into either his results being true, or being exposed as a liar very quickly.

Why would Gamma do that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why arent you interrogating dannflor in the same way about his skepticism on gamma?

This is a whataboutism. Perhaps we should interrogate Dannflor. Would you like to?

But this doesn't distract from your position. I want you to continue to answer the questions, please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i wasnt particularly under the impression that unwnd was widely being townread beyond him having been the worst's target?
why does gamma have to have some amazing move in mind when he was suddenly flash wagoned?

Being the worst's target created a world where Unwnd is widely townread. Are you saying you disagree with that statement?

[Gorkington]

nvm hes skeptical of unwnd
i probably shouldnt have even talked about my thoughts knowing this was probably going to be the resulting conversation when im so low energy today

p-edit: why is it unreasonable? he bought himself at least a day if not more

pp-edit: its not a whataboutism if youre choosing to only engage with a position the moment when its coming from someone who is potentially threatening to you right now.

[Gorkington]

Being the worst's target created a world where Unwnd is widely townread. Are you saying you disagree with that statement?

its a shea setup? im townleaning him independently of the result

[Lady Lambdadelta]

nvm hes skeptical of unwnd
i probably shouldnt have even talked about my thoughts knowing this was probably going to be the resulting conversation when im so low energy today

p-edit:

why is it unreasonable? he bought himself at least a day if not more

pp-edit: its not a whataboutism if youre choosing to only engage with a position the moment when its coming from someone who is potentially threatening to you right now.

Because there were better options that buy him more than a day as scum and don't tie him into the Unwnd/Worst skepticism.

[MegAzumarill]

Some sentiment has been given to eliminating outside of the parity cop trio which I would like to object to.

It gives up too much tempo and we are not able to eliminate the trio in time (2/3)

[Gamma Emerald]

fucking lol
VOTE: no elim

More please?

Can we ducking not? I’d like a solid idea of what to do here.

{kazyan,unwnd,me} + lld imo

I was checking what no elim was at because while I want to cast my vote there I don’t wanna hammer it until Kazyan clarifies his mechsolve
This suggestion doesn’t really work. I can’t target kaz or unwnd again until n3, and I agree with the assertions that targeting you seems like a bad idea.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

nvm hes skeptical of unwnd
i probably shouldnt have even talked about my thoughts knowing this was probably going to be the resulting conversation when im so low energy today

p-edit: why is it unreasonable? he bought himself at least a day if not more

pp-edit:

its not a whataboutism if youre choosing to only engage with a position the moment when its coming from someone who is potentially threatening to you right now.

I have been arguing this logic at large for the past little while, as I've been pushing for Kazyan to die for about 48 hours now, over a no elimination. I don't believe I am only engaging with this position the second I am "put in threat" given that fact.

Further, you're not threatening to me, because I'm not on the chopping block today. You're semi widely town read but not enough to receive the worst's protection tonight. Were I scum and you town, my correct move is to continue doing what I am doing, or even allow a no elimination, shoot you tonight, and your reads would be forgotten by 2 days from now.

Finally, it does infact remain a whataboutism, regardless of your opinion about my alignment.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Being the worst's target created a world where Unwnd is widely townread. Are you saying you disagree with that statement?

its a shea setup? im townleaning him independently of the result

This wasn't the question. I'll be more clear.

Irrespective of your OWN beliefs, Unwnd is being largely townread by the majority or more of the game because of, or at least from the point at which the worst claimed their results.

True or False?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Some sentiment has been given to eliminating outside of the parity cop trio which I would like to object to.

It gives up too much tempo and we are not able to eliminate the trio in time (2/3)

Given this sentiment, where is your vote currently?

[MegAzumarill]

No elimination

Which does not lose the tempo