Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[Deimos27]

How can you have that level of confidence in your Kop read from 4 posts

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?

almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.

That is not what I was expecting

Well this is scummy. You've had a whole night to process the flip and you're saying Dorsey flipping town is surprising?

I think these posts are actually very interesting cause there's 0 chance anyone else misunderstood me; the context is super obvious. So it tells us Noraa is either confbiasing me or driving a lim on me out of scum agenda.

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would it be from a scum agenda?
And tbf, i didn’t really know myself whether your first comment was referring to the D1 flip, the nightkill, or both.

[Noraa]

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunately

[Noraa]

i have hw but i'll be back later probably

[Deimos27]

Why would it be from a scum agenda?
And tbf, i didn’t really know myself whether your first comment was referring to the D1 flip, the nightkill, or both.

I have the perception of being fairly townread at the moment and so there is scum motivation to eliminate me (or otherwise sow discord and prevent a townblock from forming that includes me). I could obviously be wrong about being townread, but in any case I also know I am town and that alone is scum motivation to eliminate me.

Furthermore the argument was that it must be scum agenda

because

it cannot be town-motivated and scum agenda is the only option that remains.

I apparently stand corrected about the level of ambiguity my first post contained but surely you find it weird that Noraa

assumed

one uncharitable interpretation over any other instead of asking, and then proceeded even to somehow misread my follow-up explanation and misinterpret in a different uncharitable way?

[Deimos27]

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunately

Please don't laugh at me. How does it apply to me? Did I TR you D1? Is my argument relying on a misinterpretation of you so blatantly uncharitable it must be confbias or scum agenda?

[Deimos27]

Actually I recall that I did say "I like you for town now" when you unvoted but I think it's fairly clear that tell was disqualified as soon as it turned out your last vote was already hammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have the perception of being fairly townread at the moment and so there is scum motivation to eliminate me (or otherwise sow discord and prevent a townblock from forming that includes me). I could obviously be wrong about being townread, but in any case I also know I am town and that alone is scum motivation to eliminate me.

Furthermore the argument was that it must be scum agenda because it cannot be town-motivated and scum agenda is the only option that remains.

I don't see how it is scum motivation

just

wanting to eliminate you. Dorsey scumread you, and that clearly wasn't scum motivation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraa i'm waiting for answers to my questions when you get back.

[Deimos27]

I have the perception of being fairly townread at the moment and so there is scum motivation to eliminate me (or otherwise sow discord and prevent a townblock from forming that includes me). I could obviously be wrong about being townread, but in any case I also know I am town and that alone is scum motivation to eliminate me.

Furthermore the argument was that it must be scum agenda because it cannot be town-motivated and scum agenda is the only option that remains.

I don't see how it is scum motivation

just

wanting to eliminate you. Dorsey scumread you, and that clearly wasn't scum motivation.

Obviously there is often

also

town motivation to want to eliminate people. My entire argument was that any reasonable ascription of town motivation fails because such gross adversarial uncharitable misinterpretations only come from town when it is due to confbias and confbias doesn't apply here.

[Deimos27]

surely you find it weird that Noraa assumed one uncharitable interpretation over any other instead of asking, and then proceeded even to somehow misread my follow-up explanation and misinterpret in a different uncharitable way?

^

[Deimos27]

Yesterday's "oh geez" accidental hammer needs to be held accountable and that is why I am voting Noraa. They need to be at least on the table for elimination today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not going to go too deep into it now, but i have an method of reading Noraa that i think is pretty good. But it requires some more input from them.

[Noraa]

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunately

Please don't laugh at me. How does it apply to me? Did I TR you D1? Is my argument relying on a misinterpretation of you so blatantly uncharitable it must be confbias or scum agenda?

I can't stay for long but what do you even mean dont laugh at me? You're literally the one who went from "you're my only TR" to "you're scum" and now you're pointing at me like HOW DARE YOU REVERSE YOUR READ ON ME.

[redtea]

Norwee how much have you played with Noraa

A couple of games.

Upon re-reading D1 I shouldn't have bothered asking because you are likely town

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

[quote="In"post 287, Noraa"]

Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?

almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.[/quote]
what Deimos said about this
but also like, he clearly made that first comment BEFORE isoing aka "looking back at" almost50, sooo what's your deal exactly?

[redtea]

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunately

this sounds ridiculous and if you want anyone to take it seriously you better do some PbPA

[redtea]

That question goes for everyone else too actually.

I've played one game in recent memory with a50 and that's ongoing iirc.
why?

I refuse to believe Dorsey's town flip and will play the rest of the game believing this is a 3 scum set-up

same tbh umu

[Deimos27]

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunately

Please don't laugh at me. How does it apply to me? Did I TR you D1? Is my argument relying on a misinterpretation of you so blatantly uncharitable it must be confbias or scum agenda?

I can't stay for long but what do you even mean dont laugh at me? You're literally the one who went from "you're my only TR" to "you're scum" and now you're pointing at me like HOW DARE YOU REVERSE YOUR READ ON ME.

Please go find the post where I said "you're my only tr" and have another look at whom it's addressed to (hint: "TA"). The fact that you reversed your read on me is only one premise in an argument that was personalised to your posts and has no application to me. There is no hypocrisy angle for you here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunately

this sounds ridiculous and if you want anyone to take it seriously you better do some PbPA

What?

[Deimos27]

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

So are you null on him rn or what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've played one game in recent memory with a50 and that's ongoing iirc.
why?

Trying to understand the kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I did get a bit paranoid by Deimos’s 281, just because it feels a bit pockety how they ascribed me town "for my day 1", without elaborating further. But i’m also not a super fan of Noraa’s instapush so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At the very least, i don’t think it’s SvS.

[redtea]

I've played one game in recent memory with a50 and that's ongoing iirc.
why?

Trying to understand the kill.

Wondering if people who've played with him might've seen something bc of previous experience?
The game I played with him, he was also a pr (and I was town)

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunately

this sounds ridiculous and if you want anyone to take it seriously you better do some PbPA

What?

what