To put it simply: you're massively, massively confbiased.In post 1967, Critter wrote:Asking me not to filter reads based on attempting to make reads is really really bad
What am I supposed to do? Pull from rng?
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To put it simply: you're massively, massively confbiased.In post 1967, Critter wrote:Asking me not to filter reads based on attempting to make reads is really really bad
What am I supposed to do? Pull from rng?
I don’t think it’s fine at all.In post 1972, Towelie wrote:I think the gamestate is fine? People are talking and sharing opinions. I've seen worse, overall.
I think whether or not scum "love" the gamestate probably depends on whether or not VFT is scum or how many of the lurkfuck likely easy later elim slots (emmi, sm) are actually scum, so I'm not really making any assertion on the point with whatever i've posted.
But saying "I don't think VFT is scum therefore scum love the gamestate therefore VFT is town" is not a conversation i'm even going to entertain
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Gamestate isn’t a reads dependent thing. The gamestate can be toxic while the elim is on town or scum.In post 1972, Towelie wrote:I think the gamestate is fine? People are talking and sharing opinions. I've seen worse, overall.
I think whether or not scum "love" the gamestate probably depends on whether or not VFT is scum or how many of the lurkfuck likely easy later elim slots (emmi, sm) are actually scum, so I'm not really making any assertion on the point with whatever i've posted.
But saying "I don't think VFT is scum therefore scum love the gamestate therefore VFT is town" is not a conversation i'm even going to entertain
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Doesn't mean you can't make an effort to improve.In post 1973, Critter wrote:Sorry maybe I will just be an NT. That’s a switch I can turn off and on.
Like if you don't see how this utterly just marginalizes any possible legitimacy of my point of view, even if you think it's wrongIn post 1960, Critter wrote:I don’t think scum are unhappy with the gamestate so the rest of that doesn’t follow.
The problem is not that you're sharing your opinions, it's that you're representing your opinions as though they're immutable facts. Please try not to do that, and I imagine things will improve.In post 1977, Critter wrote:The game state sucks and is toxic as hell when you have people telling others to not fucking post when all I do is share opinions
I don’t see how this marginalizes your point of view.In post 1981, Towelie wrote:Like if you don't see how this utterly just marginalizes any possible legitimacy of my point of view, even if you think it's wrongIn post 1960, Critter wrote:I don’t think scum are unhappy with the gamestate so the rest of that doesn’t follow.
then we probably aren't going to be able to talk to each other
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But that’s where I am starting from.In post 1982, Something_Smart wrote:The problem is not that you're sharing your opinions, it's that you're representing your opinions as though they're immutable facts. Please try not to do that, and I imagine things will improve.In post 1977, Critter wrote:The game state sucks and is toxic as hell when you have people telling others to not fucking post when all I do is share opinions
Ugh I need a new wordIn post 1987, Something_Smart wrote:To me it seems fairly evident that some people would be comfortable with the gamestate as scum and others would be uncomfortable, and therefore we can't really know whether they are happy with it without having a single flip.
I don't really understand your assertion here but will try to clarify mine: it was early-ish D1 and I don't think there was an obvious "scum are ahead/behind" but I do think that M&M was looking like a default safe spot for people to land, so a hypothesis of mine was that getting into a fight with me would be a good way to move the gamestate away from that from the time being, but only if m&m is scum with them. That was half of my argument why I think the two might be the same alignment (the other half that pooky pulling me back from the brink is not something scum M&M does to scum VFT)I think that scum don’t push players that are not elimmable without some kind of benefit and they’d need a gamestate in which they can afford to do so?
I think you let confbias dictate a lot of the opinions you emit rather than consider that they're maybe wrong, sometimes to an extreme (and obnoxious, FMPOV) degree.In post 1986, Critter wrote:I can’t like just go “whelp my scumread says this is fine” and just change it?
if healthy conversations move the gamestate from "generally worse reads" to "generally better reads", which is what I think you mean here, then telling me that "I'm making the thread unhealthy because I'm scum and my opinions are having an effect on it" is tautological from your point of view and not useful from mineIn post 1989, Critter wrote:healthy conversations.
In early D1 I agree M&M is a safe place to land.In post 1990, Towelie wrote:I'll turn the snark down since I think you're at least attempting to engage me in good faith now:
I don't really understand your assertion here but will try to clarify mine: it was early-ish D1 and I don't think there was an obvious "scum are ahead/behind" but I do think that M&M was looking like a default safe spot for people to land, so a hypothesis of mine was that getting into a fight with me would be a good way to move the gamestate away from that from the time being, but only if m&m is scum with them. That was half of my argument why I think the two might be the same alignment (the other half that pooky pulling me back from the brink is not something scum M&M does to scum VFT)I think that scum don’t push players that are not elimmable without some kind of benefit and they’d need a gamestate in which they can afford to do so?
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When I am scum, if town is at each other’s throats I don’t go out of my way to fix it or if I do I fix it in a proscum way. It’s a lot easier to add to the chaos with another push or mimic town than it is to heal things.In post 1991, Something_Smart wrote:I definitely see what you mean with that, but I'm not sure why the lack of healthy conversation would make scum more prone to pushing someone they can't execute. If anything, I feel like it might go the other way since people are probably going to be more accusatory and less charitable if the conversation isn't healthy.
These are all possibilities, yes. That assertion is "something I think is more likely than not" based on the reasons I gave, not something I'm treating as airtight. This is probably true for most things I say in any game.In post 1994, Critter wrote:Assuming that the pull is from scum and you town and M&M unknown alignment
Scum could be setting you up for a miselim future days.
Scum could be setting up credit for if M&M is town
Or Scum accept the fact that M&M is going down and want to make noise simply to “look Townie”
Not the point I was making -- M&M going out of way to save skitter just doesn't jibe w/ me at that second as something that scum-M&M would do to town-VFT right then.Assuming that the pull is from town and you town and M&M unknown alignment
Then the pull believes your are scum more than M&M. That doesn’t imply M&M a certain alignment
I think sometimes, yes I do.In post 1992, Towelie wrote:I think you let confbias dictate a lot of the opinions you emit rather than consider that they're maybe wrong, sometimes to an extreme (and obnoxious, FMPOV) degree.In post 1986, Critter wrote:I can’t like just go “whelp my scumread says this is fine” and just change it?
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I don’t view it as more likely.In post 1997, Towelie wrote:These are all possibilities, yes. That assertion is "something I think is more likely than not" based on the reasons I gave, not something I'm treating as airtight. This is probably true for most things I say in any game.In post 1994, Critter wrote:Assuming that the pull is from scum and you town and M&M unknown alignment
Scum could be setting you up for a miselim future days.
Scum could be setting up credit for if M&M is town
Or Scum accept the fact that M&M is going down and want to make noise simply to “look Townie”
Not the point I was making -- M&M going out of way to save skitter just doesn't jibe w/ me at that second as something that scum-M&M would do to town-VFT right then.Assuming that the pull is from town and you town and M&M unknown alignment
Then the pull believes your are scum more than M&M. That doesn’t imply M&M a certain alignment
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