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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:01 am

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In post 821, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 818, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 816, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 455, VP Baltar wrote:I don't know Laplacian's alignment, but he makes me laugh.
Hmm
I will Stan that psych 101 joke to my grave if I have to.
You don't think it's sus that you're slot is only willing to vote a lurker who claimed named townie and not the player who has been FoSing you all game?
A50 is a very competent player and my vote has nothing to do with him claiming...which isn't really AI for him.

I don't just vote people because they are suspicious of me either. Doesn't auto make them scum.
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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:01 am

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In post 824, Datisi wrote:why is azelf blinking
Because of your ego defense
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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:03 am

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In post 824, Datisi wrote:why is azelf blinking
that is not at all the reasoning I thought you would have, it seems equally weird to saying that posting your OCEAN results would help townies read you. do you really think scum would go like "oh he has high levels of anxiety, let's try to make him freak out"? (well honestly it doesn't take an OCEAN result to figure
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:06 am

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that is a post i need to use my brain for in order to answer, i will do that tomorrow

someone yell at me if i post again in the next 8 hours
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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:06 am

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In post 825, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 821, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 818, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 816, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 455, VP Baltar wrote:I don't know Laplacian's alignment, but he makes me laugh.
Hmm
I will Stan that psych 101 joke to my grave if I have to.
You don't think it's sus that you're slot is only willing to vote a lurker who claimed named townie and not the player who has been FoSing you all game?
A50 is a very competent player and my vote has nothing to do with him claiming...which isn't really AI for him.


I don't just vote people because they are suspicious of me either. Doesn't auto make them scum.
So you would like to get rid of a very competent player? Couldn't they help us solve the game later?

Also, if your town then RTP then has a strong scum motivation to shade you, which they have been doing semi-successfully.
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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:12 am

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@RTP


What would a hypothetical worst case scenario scum team look like to you?
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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:15 am

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In post 829, Frogsterking wrote:So you would like to get rid of a very competent player? Couldn't they help us solve the game later?

Also, if your town then RTP then has a strong scum motivation to shade you, which they have been doing semi-successfully.
I want to get rid of scum. They are not going to help us later in the game.

As far as shading, I don't mind being shaded. It happens to me extensively in every game and most people eventually realize I'm town. I'm very comfortable there. I will figure out RTP's alignment, and if they are scum, they're just getting pulled into deep water they won't survive by trying to shade me.
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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:16 am

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In post 831, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 829, Frogsterking wrote:So you would like to get rid of a very competent player? Couldn't they help us solve the game later?

Also, if your town then RTP then has a strong scum motivation to shade you, which they have been doing semi-successfully.
I want to get rid of scum. They are not going to help us later in the game.

As far as shading, I don't mind being shaded. It happens to me extensively in every game and most people eventually realize I'm town. I'm very comfortable there. I will figure out RTP's alignment, and if they are scum, they're just getting pulled into deep water they won't survive by trying to shade me.
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:17 am

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In post 820, Datisi wrote:i will gladly take the test and send you my results post game of you are truly curious
I mostly filled mine out for you <3
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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:27 am

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I think we should consider an alternative strategy where we choose someone who isn't at the bottom of the PoE or the top of the PoE because those D1 executions have been more likely to hit scum FMPOV.
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:28 am

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In post 834, Frogsterking wrote:I think we should consider an alternative strategy where we choose someone who isn't at the bottom of the PoE or the top of the PoE because those D1 executions have been more likely to hit scum FMPOV.
Lap can you do something mathematical that shows how we can logically select someone?
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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:49 am

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In post 834, Frogsterking wrote:I think we should consider an alternative strategy where we choose someone who isn't at the bottom of the PoE or the top of the PoE because those D1 executions have been more likely to hit scum FMPOV.
I don't think I'm following here exactly. What PoE are you referencing?
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:57 am

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In post 836, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 834, Frogsterking wrote:I think we should consider an alternative strategy where we choose someone who isn't at the bottom of the PoE or the top of the PoE because those D1 executions have been more likely to hit scum FMPOV.
I don't think I'm following here exactly. What PoE are you referencing?
A pooled PoE of at least you, skitter, RTP, House, Dats, me, maybe Ari. We all post our PoEs and choose someone in the middle consistently who isn't also one of the 6 or 7.
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:01 am

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In post 837, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 836, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 834, Frogsterking wrote:I think we should consider an alternative strategy where we choose someone who isn't at the bottom of the PoE or the top of the PoE because those D1 executions have been more likely to hit scum FMPOV.
I don't think I'm following here exactly. What PoE are you referencing?
A pooled PoE of at least you, skitter, RTP, House, Dats, me, maybe Ari. We all post our PoEs and choose someone in the middle consistently who isn't also one of the 6 or 7.
Not a PoE OF those players, I'm saying each of these players that I listed make their own PoE of the entire player list, and we narrow down who to execute based on players who pop up in the middle consistently who aren't also one of each other.
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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:26 am

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In post 600, Andresvmb wrote:I don’t think I said that I had perceived that Datisi was keeping their shit together. I said that they way they were generating a read looked to me like it was coming from Town. I also indicated that the meta on Datisi checked out, in that they act nervous and a bit overly energized as Scum, particularly under pressure (which to start the game they were). I didn’t spend sufficient time trying to figure out whether I was perceiving Datisi as being calm. Does that make sense?
Mostly it makes sense. Not sure I agree Datisi was really under pressure since it was a goof RVS wagon, but other than that I think I'm following what you're saying.
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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:29 am

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FYI i have come to the conclusion that both RTP and VP are town.
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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:38 am

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In post 675, OutWorldER wrote:For right now I trust RTP because I'm fairly sure this is their town game
What makes you say this? I'd like to be convinced of that so I can stop wasting my time trying to figure them out.
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:39 am

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In post 675, OutWorldER wrote:checks out, anyone over the age of 30 posting on the internet posts like a mid 2000's teenager.
hahahahaha.... fatality
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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:48 am

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In post 684, Datisi wrote:btw, this was my reasoning for putting rtp in "slightly townie but also very headache" part of the triangle - i recognized that their "townread" on laplacian was just fishing for associates, bc i know they do that as town. my issue is that that seemed a *bit* too over the top, like if their true goal was getting associates, it felt a *bit* too friendly.
Are you saying this is why you're giving them townpoints or this is why they are a headache and you're less sure?
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:49 am

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In post 687, Datisi wrote:oh, there's also 458, where he says frogster is town "for effort" but he's leaving the vote there anyway and askjfesgrhegt
This is a good point against lap
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:54 am

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In post 694, Frogsterking wrote:Two things I want to ask of the playerlist as a whole concerning the immediate state of the game:

#1 Do you think any or all of Lap, iv, a50 are lunchbait?

#2 Is there any reason why any or all of these wagons can't be scum lead, or at least largely pushed by scum?
I don't really know lap, so I can't speak to him. I've fought with town iv before and he's not a push over. A50 also doesn't seem like yeetbait to me because his playstyle is weird and people know that. That means he only needs to crack a few jokes and act non-chalant for people to generally give him a pass. I don't think I've seen A50 be misyeeted before, but I have only a few games with him.
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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:57 am

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As to the second question, I don't think all of the wagons are scum led. I'm not scum, I don't believe House or skitter are scum, so the A50 wagon seems good to me.

The lap and iv wagons were both comprised essentially of the (datisi, ari, RTP) core. I doubt all the scum move like that together immediately in the game, but there could be scum in that mix.
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:02 pm

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ok, I'm caught up. I didn't miss much.

I hope andres can catch up. I'd like to hear more from him. Outworld too!
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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:04 pm

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I'm not sure that either side of the town core has been compromised.

Do you have any legitimate reasons to distrust Datisi or RTP?
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:10 pm

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In post 848, Frogsterking wrote:Do you have any legitimate reasons to distrust Datisi or RTP?
They are both very good players you should trust but be ready to question. I'm not ready for blind faith mode just yet.

Did see one thing in my catch up that maybe puts me more at ease with Datisi, so that's good.
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