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[Yeet]

Idk this just feels like town VP by gut maybe he’s big braining here but it seems like his townplay

[Yeet]

Then again, I do have like 5000 townreads this game so

[Nero Cain]

y does he feel like town?

[Eyes without a face]

Eyes are you proposing a Nero wagon?

Not really, no. I am promoting him for SCUM MVP though, in the sense that he is likely a townie that is playing it all into the hands of scum

[Eyes without a face]

I don't care what your read of him is but there should be a progression and a lack of progression makes you look informed whether its that you know that he's town or that he's your buddy and you are expressing a town read on him so you don't have to vote him.

Perfect. So I'm scum irregardless of whatever VPB's alignment is?

[Frogsterking]

Eyes, are you saying in 3650 that Dragons is less calm when they roll scum?

[tenebrousluminary]

I don't care what your read of him is but there should be a progression and a lack of progression makes you look informed whether its that you know that he's town or that he's your buddy and you are expressing a town read on him so you don't have to vote him.

Perfect. So I'm scum irregardless of whatever VPB's alignment is?

You are making this out like Nero is being dishonest, but he is allowed to scumread an action you've taken on own.

[Nero Cain]

I don't care what your read of him is but there should be a progression and a lack of progression makes you look informed whether its that you know that he's town or that he's your buddy and you are expressing a town read on him so you don't have to vote him.

Perfect. So I'm scum irregardless of whatever VPB's alignment is?

It's possible yes. But I also think you're doing alot of fussing...

[Nero Cain]

Vp has 300+ posts since the post you town read him for. I don't even think the reasoning is that great but 300+ posts hasn't even made you reconsider or strengthen as you certainly not citing any new evidence. He's the leading wagon and you aren't willing to stick your neck out for one of your top town reads.

[VP Baltar]

FWIW, I don't need people to defend me.

Nero, how do you think Eyes' read on me should have progressed? I kind of get what you're saying, but it also feels kind of like you're just giving him shit because he doesn't agree with you.

[VP Baltar]

If you are actually town here, I have reached out to you more than once to try and resolve these differences we have in seeing the game and you keep trying to take cheap, stupid shots at me. Be more mature and talk to me if you want me to engage you again. I asked you for your perspective on skitter awhile back now and you just basically ignored me. It's incredibly frustrating to me if you're actually town in this scenario because I make good faith efforts to think about your alignment, and there is no reciprocation. And I don't really want to have pointless convos that just bloat the thread.

Nero, do you feel like you're bad faithing me at all this game if you take a second to consider I'm town?

[Nero Cain]

I don't care if he agrees with me or not just that town reading you off of your 15th post makes him look informed and not really paying attention to the game.

[Nero Cain]

not really wrt the bad faith.

[VP Baltar]

I don't care if he agrees with me or not just that town reading you off of your 15th post makes him look informed and not really paying attention to the game.

Yeah, it's lazy. Maybe informed, but could also just be holding onto reads. I don't really know. Are you saying you want to flip Eyes today?

[Nero Cain]

but I do want to plop my reasoning down which I'll do later. I men, I could have conf bias but I'm not treating you in bad faith.

[Nero Cain]

if ppl rather flip eyes than you it's up to them but I'm good either way.

[VP Baltar]

I could have conf bias but I'm not treating you in bad faith.

why have you repeatedly not engaged with me when I've tried to do things like talk about your skitter read then? I feel like when I am trying to set aside your nonstop surface level spamming of calling me scum and try to actually talk to you, you're just nonresponsive. That doesn't feel like good faith from my perspective.

[Nero Cain]

then how can you town read me? You basically just keep calling me scum here but you won't push. Why?

[VP Baltar]

then how can you town read me? You basically just keep calling me scum here but you won't push. Why?

I think your bad faith is more likely just really bad town play and tunneling. You've stuck with it too long, considering you're going to look like shit if I ever flip. Scum you would know that. (Which is also why i think if you back off too late on my wagon it is +scum for you). I don't really get OMGUSy too often with people for bad reads. That doesn't make a person scum automatically.

What I've been trying to get you to do when I engage is for you to actually think about the arguments you're making and see why they are not good.

[Nero Cain]

You know that I never unvoted, right?

I'm wrong a fair amount and there are slots outside of you that I find scummy and it's mathematically possible that if you are town then the other slots I find scummy could be scum. If you want to mislabel not being full of myself as backing off or being wishy-washy then I'm sure you could get like Dats to believe you.

"Nero is engaging me in bad faith" "Nero "backingoff" is +scum" This just seems like a bunch of doublespeak to me.

[VP Baltar]

You know that I never unvoted, right?

Yes, I called it out before it could even rise to an issue. If you're going to snipe me all game, I expect you to follow through. I'm not going to leave the door open for a scummy backpedal at the last minute to give plausible deniability in a clear misyeet distraction today. If you do happen to be scum here, you would have gotten away with your Wu backpedal.

If you are town, clearly you are going to let your ego get in the way of thinking critically about your own play here, so we can just move on.

[DeasVail]

I will work on summarising my thoughts on VP over the course of the day/morning (depending on how much time I get at work) and based on my thoughts so far that will probably end in a vote but maybe I'll change my mind! Ooo the suspense

[Enchant]

Can you explain your VP/Enchant/STD/Deas reads for me?

Enchant because of the Vig claim which I don't believe

any scum

anyone in their right mind would

fake

claim on D1. Not even if they were informed that there is no Vig would scum have the heart to claim something they know they will never be able to prove.

Fixed.

[Nero Cain]

I didn't backpedal on Wu. There was contradicting evidence and I listened to that. Like I said earlier if you thought Wu was so bad that he needed to be that d1 elimination then fine? He played pretty poorly down the stretch and I was more than ok with his elimination. But still, that's not a backtrack, and claiming that it is one is a horrible misrep and/or treating

ME

in bad faith.

You won't vote me b/c I'm not the path of least resistance.

[VP Baltar]

I didn't backpedal on Wu. There was contradicting evidence and I listened to that. Like I said earlier if you thought Wu was so bad that he needed to be that d1 elimination then fine? He played pretty poorly down the stretch and I was more than ok with his elimination. But still, that's not a backtrack, and claiming that it is one is a horrible misrep and/or treating

ME

in bad faith.

You won't vote me b/c I'm not the path of least resistance.

sure.