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[DkKoba]

theories that dont fit will naturally have holes and I will happily expose them all now help me kill shadowgirl, the scum who thought I was going to just tunnel the same reads and would never flip onto her.

What? We've been clashing all game. If I'm scum, why would I think that you're more likely to be on my side over HEM, who has been townreading me and I have gotten along with super well all game? I can't see what is logical about me as scum keeping you around over HEM.

So realistically I think strictly mechanically Dwlee claimed doctor in a setup with a known vig.

Dwlee is a competent scum player so they don’t claim doctor without a damn good reason to.

Broadly, there was no way for town to know there was a vig until today, since there was no second kill on N1. Does that mean scum might be "informed"? Or otherwise the only other way to find out roles is DkKoba with their rolecop ability.

the way you are trying to twist the facts to fit this kind of theory is ngl pretty encouraging for me for finding you scum, thanks for that

[MathBlade]

ok im just going to ignore mathblade's trolling

seeya later

So you have no good answer.

I have caught you.

[DkKoba]

I'm going to direct you to the shitfight you had with Ari the last time you replaced into a game as an indicator of what would happen if I engaged you and why I am disengaging.

I, despite popular belief, do not like being toxic and wish to not shit up the game and any feeling of superiority of you thinking I was caught, is simply trolling behavior to me as your solve is contingent on *you* being the setup designer rather than ignoring the reality that we are in where I will flip rolecop and it will not matter.

[DkKoba]

i had to watch you ruin an easy town win that i setup from the dead chat as you replaced so excuse me for not wanting to feed your bullshit math based theories that have 0 place in the *social* deduction game of mafia.

[DkKoba]

so frankly, after catching 1 scum already, and you having caught 0 this game - I will take my leave and try to keep the game in a better mood instead (:


seeya!

[MathBlade]

I'm going to direct you to the shitfight you had with Ari the last time you replaced into a game as an indicator of what would happen if I engaged you and why I am disengaging.

I, despite popular belief, do not like being toxic and wish to not shit up the game and any feeling of superiority of you thinking I was caught, is simply trolling behavior to me as your solve is contingent on *you* being the setup designer rather than ignoring the reality that we are in where I will flip rolecop and it will not matter.

The problem is even if I am wrong and you flip rolecop we STILL win as we have two conf town. If my Wifom works then zero die and if not one dies. We have a conf town in elo tomorrow. Conf town drives elo.

So even if scum succeed today and get a miselim of me or someone

That conf town just votes and knocks out a scum tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

so frankly, after catching 1 scum already, and you having caught 0 this game - I will take my leave and try to keep the game in a better mood instead (:


seeya!

I haven’t even been in the game a single day.

This is meaningless.

You haven’t caught a scum. You did a planned bus.

[ShadowGirl]

ok well I expected at most to only get 1 guilty on a potential traitor rofl

you realize the game started *at* 12 players?

Yes. That’s my point.

And no. You’d get 2 checks off unless you’re lying about being blocked.

Did I miss something? Did DkKoba say they got blocked? I'm trying to catch up on what's happening with the set-up talk.

the way you are trying to twist the facts to fit this kind of theory is ngl pretty encouraging for me for finding you scum, thanks for that

You saying I would keep you around as scum because you'd never think me scummy is pretty illogical since there hasn't been any point in this game you've townread me so it's hard not to see it as something other than illogical pushing.

[MathBlade]

ok well I expected at most to only get 1 guilty on a potential traitor rofl

you realize the game started *at* 12 players?

Yes. That’s my point.

And no. You’d get 2 checks off unless you’re lying about being blocked.

Did I miss something? Did DkKoba say they got blocked? I'm trying to catch up on what's happening with the set-up talk.

the way you are trying to twist the facts to fit this kind of theory is ngl pretty encouraging for me for finding you scum, thanks for that

You saying I would keep you around as scum because you'd never think me scummy is pretty illogical since there hasn't been any point in this game you've townread me so it's hard not to see it as something other than illogical pushing.

Iirc Roden said Koba was blocked or scum. So I was taking that as Koba was blocked.

[MathBlade]

Especially since they didn’t deny being blocked.

[MathBlade]

Sorry I was gone for a bit, personal stuff came up and took all my attention.

Ok so, the reason I say that we have enough clears to just win this is because we have a Mason, a Rolecop, and a Vig. Further, and Shadow has actually already explained this, Enchant is spewed town by scum choosing to keep me alive. I was heavily tunneled on the slot since the second half of Day 1, and I'm conftown, so Enchant had multiple reasons to kill me if he was scum. And tbh, it wouldn't have looked bad for him at all to kill me since conftowns are expected to die. So I don't think it even makes sense as a gambit to try to fake spew himself as town by keeping me around.

Koba being alive as well only makes sense in two worlds. Either they're scum, or they were Roleblocked. And I really don't think they're scum, the Day 2 play is just flashy and unnecessary if it was a bus the whole time. Plus it was way too early, I think Koba knows that they need a reason to still be alive if they're scum, also I'm pretty sure they kill me instead of PR hunting. So I think they're just Roleblocked and that's why they don't have any results. If town, scum kind of does want to keep them around since it makes them look suspicious.

So, from my perspective, we have three cleared players: Koba, Enchant, and myself. If Enchant is not the Vig, then we have four cleared players and it's impossible for scum to win. I think it's better for the Vig to claim before ELO but that's just me.

I still want to vote Shadow, since she has essentially claimed VT by offering to get voted out to clear the 1v1 dispute between her and NM. I also think her flip would give us the most info, since there are associatives with other players there while NM has...literally nothing. Honestly I'm not really sure why they're competing wagons in the first place.

Here

[ShadowGirl]

Iirc Roden said Koba was blocked or scum. So I was taking that as Koba was blocked.

I wonder if there's another possibility, like if there's any mechanics on the scum side that can possibly alter results? Or that somehow they can get a false clear? I am trying to think of why DkKoba as town would be alive and I wonder if scum want DkKoba to claim on them for some reason? I asked DkKoba at the beginning of the day if they had significant results (hoping we could catch another scum like on D2), and tictac pushed on DkKoba's response to me, like they really wanted them to share their results:

I'm not claiming anything mechanical until its relevant.

u gonna be nkd tho

[MathBlade]

Iirc Roden said Koba was blocked or scum. So I was taking that as Koba was blocked.

I wonder if there's another possibility, like if there's any mechanics on the scum side that can possibly alter results? Or that somehow they can get a false clear? I am trying to think of why DkKoba as town would be alive and I wonder if scum want DkKoba to claim on them for some reason? I asked DkKoba at the beginning of the day if they had significant results (hoping we could catch another scum like on D2), and tictac pushed on DkKoba's response to me, like they really wanted them to share their results:

I'm not claiming anything mechanical until its relevant.

u gonna be nkd tho

There literally isn’t anything

I mean even odd night just pushes the problem down the road.

Koba if a town rolecop on a night that can act has one of three things happen
=> Gets a result of vanilla
=> Gets a result of any PR of neighbor or VT, instantly claims them as scum
=> Gets no result either from ascetic or blocked, which ends up with an FoS on them.

There’s no other mystical fourth option.

[MathBlade]

Any PR besides neighbor or VT*

[ShadowGirl]

I'm of a similar mind to agree with Roden in his post about his points as to DkKoba being town, which is that the D2 play felt early if scum (rather than why not do it D3, for instance?), and that I think it's a combination of that scum might be hoping town votes them out because of the paradox of "how can they be alive if they're town" and due to my thoughts in my longer previous posts about what their reads were on certain players and how scum likely wanted them around to push them those people. DkKoba as scum is not something that is entirely out of the realm of possibilities, but in general, I still prefer the resolution of the 1vs1 of me/NM to be done today rather than to be left for ELO, because that route feels safer for town rather than for instance potentially mislimming the town rolecop. And NM scum to me is something that I feel far more certain about than any other possibilities.

[Enchant]

lol did mathblade just slip in the same way in the last time they complained about "muh townsided setup"

No. Last time I was frustrated and off the walls.

Here if I was scum I would take whoever is not my partner(s) in SM/NM and call it a day.

There’d be no reason to push you or complain as through your pushing you’d win it for me.

I also don’t buy you know who the vig is either.

ok enchant you can come forward

Koba again trolled me.

Seems like hiding is pointless now.

I shot NK15.

[Enchant]

Just in a case, i am with modifier.

Please state it.
Correctly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[2] Not_Mafia: ShadowGirl, Not_Mafia
[2] ShadowGirl: Roden, DkKoba
[1] MathBlade: tictac

[2] Not voting: MathBlade, Enchant

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are needed for an elimination.

D3: deadline: (expired on 2022-04-15 04:25:15)

[DkKoba]

Just in a case, i am with modifier.

Please state it.
Correctly.

Novice yerrrr

[Enchant]

Well that's correct.

[DkKoba]

RC is evil, but not *that* evil.

[Enchant]

I wondering why you checked me, aren't i was your townread.

[DkKoba]

dwlee interactions with gamma skeeved me and i checked because you would be top deepscum candidate

[MathBlade]

I wondering why you checked me, aren't i was your townread.

Because they’re scum lmao.

Like it’s fuckin obvious.

[MathBlade]

I'm of a similar mind to agree with Roden in his post about his points as to DkKoba being town, which is that the D2 play felt early if scum (rather than why not do it D3, for instance?), and that I think it's a combination of that scum might be hoping town votes them out because of the paradox of "how can they be alive if they're town" and due to my thoughts in my longer previous posts about what their reads were on certain players and how scum likely wanted them around to push them those people. DkKoba as scum is not something that is entirely out of the realm of possibilities, but in general, I still prefer the resolution of the 1vs1 of me/NM to be done today rather than to be left for ELO, because that route feels safer for town rather than for instance potentially mislimming the town rolecop. And NM scum to me is something that I feel far more certain about than any other possibilities.

I fail to see how the day has any relevance. 2 masons a vig and a rolecop (ungated) vs any scum set up can’t exist
Vs
2 masons a vig vs rolecop makes for a mighty fine setup.