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Post Post #1475 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:23 pm

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In post 1456, mastina wrote:On D3 I successfully baited out a not-actually-hammer from Dwlee via my use of the vote tag--while reminding my neighborhood of my role. This had the effect of conftowning my entire neighborhood. If I were scum, then I would have either used it to reaction test Dwlee (in an attempt to save Dwlee with AtE), or Dwlee would have known that my L-1 was not an L-1 via being my scumbuddy. Except Dwlee didn't know because Dwlee isn't scum with anyone from the Sneak neighborhood.
yea i'm sure dwlee can't possibly pretend to not know your fake l-1 wasn't a fake l-1

totally

very cool story

like how could anyone POSSIBLY PRETEND IN A GAME BASED ON LYING LOLOL
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Post Post #1476 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:24 pm

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To be fair Roden, FA is pushing a pretty valid point in that you explicitly said that vampires are not town aligned and Dunnstral has flipped as entirely town aligned
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Post Post #1477 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:24 pm

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In post 1460, jjh927 wrote:By your logic it would also conftown Yume and I, since we both noticed it as well. I explicitly didn't post in main thread after you did it so I could see what happened
Oh, I knew you were going to bring that up, and yes, I did think about it. I did think about how you would have noted my role in the scum PT and how, after Dwlee flipped scum, you would argue by my own logic it'd clear you.

The thing about that is.

That would require you to have thought to
re-note it after I cast the fake L-1
, and for Dwlee to then read that renoting of it.

Noting it in the scum PT wouldn't be good enough because it would require Dwlee to remember.

Now you might argue, "mastina that also applies to you, if you were Dwlee's scumbuddy Dwlee would need to remember", except as I have already said,
I specifically reminded my neighborhood about my role
; if I was scum with Dwlee, I would have done so to Dwlee as well.

And while I believe that a scum-jjh notes my role in the scum PT, I
do not
believe that a scum-jjh has the foresight to, after I casted the fake L-1,
remind Dwlee about my role
. And it takes that latter action in order for you to not be scum. It's not just you having noted the role, it's a requirement that you note the role
at the right time
, because by my profile of Dwlee, Dwlee would not remember it having been said earlier.

After all, it was explicitly already put in the thread earlier. Dwlee clearly forgot about my role in spite of the info needed to know about my role being fully public. So if Dwlee forgot about my role when the info was public, Dwlee would still have forgotten about my role when the info was noted in the scum PT but not noted
recently enough
. (Also as an aside, it's harder to forget the role/mechanics of scumbuddies than it is for town roles.)
In post 1460, jjh927 wrote:And I'm afraid you've made too many arguments that I know you know to be completely meaningless for you to be town here.
This is rats-ass backwards and YOU FUCKING KNOW IT.

I literally have it on my flowchart for DAMN FUCKING GOOD REASON, "if mastina's arguments make sense, she's scum; if her arguments don't make sense, she's town" because
my arguments as town are not as precise as my arguments as scum
. My arguments as town tend to be more scattered and less coherent, and my arguments as scum tend to be more surgical, precise, and clinical, cutting out the unnecessary noise to say only the most effective thing in the moment without the clutter of the less effective shit. When I am scum my arguments are more organized and preplanned; my arguments as town lack that preplanning and are thus less organized, more scattered.

And you fucking know it and are lying your ass off right now about my play.
In post 1460, jjh927 wrote:I'm looking for not your towngame
1: I have more than one towngame, and,
2: This is 200% my towngame. I am town.

Like.

What are you going to say when I fucking flip town?

"Oh she must've been Werewolf"?

"Oh, guess I was wrong"?

No.

I am town.

I FLIP TOWN YOU FUCKING DIE NEXT JJH.

Because I am town.

This IS my towngame.

You make disingenuous point after disingenuous point.

You say all of the things that are
signatures of my towngame
are "not my towngame" and
lie about what my towngame is
, you.
fucking.
die.
For it.
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Post Post #1478 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 pm

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I'm town, yes, Fuck off Pooky.
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Post Post #1479 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:25 pm

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Oops that was meant to also have this.
I'm town by the way.
In post 1459, Enchant wrote:The fuck are these submits, and what they have to do with fantasy.
In post 1456, mastina wrote:
Extra context:
It's important to note that I have done a particular thing in every single Ginngie game.

In Do it for the Vine uPick, Ginngie asked for submissions of Vines, as in, 6 second videos from the site Vine.
I didn't know what Vines from the site Vine were--so instead, I submitted picks that were Vines, as in, the plant.

Ginngie, appropriately, to what amounted to a troll pick from me, gave me a cult role in response.

In Joint Pick 4 U, Ginngie asked for submissions of drugs.
Two of my 'drug' submissions were literally 'masturbating' and 'mafiascum'. (I forget what the third was.)
These not being the drugs Ginngie had in mind, similar to how Vines the plant were not the Vines Ginngie had in mind, Ginngie appropriately gave me a 3p role.

In this game, I deliberately kept the tradition up. Ginngie asked for Fantasy picks, as in, picks from works from the Fantasy genre.

Instead, I submitted things that would count as 'Fantasies', or things that at least
should
be Fantasies, per the mafiascum mod team.
Which resulted in me getting the role that I have, where I'm town.
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In post 1458, jjh927 wrote:It's non-committal; you still kept the scum in the pool because you couldn't argue against the consensus, but you have only voted scum
when you can gain a better position from it
.
In post 1419, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:This is probably the worst bus vote of all time
These things do not go together. I realize you're not Pooky but the point remains;
I inherently fundamentally cannot gain a "better position" from what, as Pooky describes, is "the worst bus vote of all time".

My vote on Gypyx and lack of vote on Dwlee are the
opposite
of getting a better position.

I literally lost out on XP from not being on the Dwlee wagon yesterday.

I literally joined at the worst possible time in the worst possible way on the Gypyx wagon both on D1 and on D2.
In post 1458, jjh927 wrote:When you're town, you can make insincere arguments, and you often do so in early day 1 because it generates content- ie, it has a pro-town purpose behind it.

Thing is, you're still making insincere arguments right now when there's no pro-town purpose behind it.
Projection, thy name is jjh.

This is precisely why YOU are scum, jjh.
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Post Post #1480 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:26 pm

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in fact there's no way in hell mastina!scum could say to dwlee!scum hey im going to fake l-1 you so you can fake hammer yourself and then we can do

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and this will totally conftown me.
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Post Post #1481 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:26 pm

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I'm town, yes, no matter what's said.
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Post Post #1482 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:27 pm

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In post 1477, mastina wrote:I FLIP TOWN YOU FUCKING DIE NEXT JJH.
don't worry

dying isn't actually that bad

been there done that
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Post Post #1483 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:28 pm

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Why would scum actually want Dwlee to 'not realise' it was a fake hammer? He was already guiltied scum and it's actually +scum to have him on the wagon since it denies town exp
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Post Post #1484 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:29 pm

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In post 1477, mastina wrote:I literally have it on my flowchart for DAMN FUCKING GOOD REASON,
Yea I'm not going to trust a flow chart written by you for your alignment lol
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Post Post #1485 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:32 pm

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Why would scum!me not have got on the Dwlee wagon well before your E-1 and just got Dwlee to hammer?

Why would scum!me have got Shiro to res LLD over Pooky

Oh, and I got one reaaaaaaaaaaally big redacted "why would scum!me do X" if it comes to it


But as an aside I am also proven to have commuted last night phase which would be an interesting move if I was the last scum
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Post Post #1486 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:33 pm

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I'll remind pooky of it though because he might not have read all the warrior hood
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Post Post #1487 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:36 pm

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In post 682, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:r u guys even reading the same game i am


LLD voted me because she wants to shoot her shot and shes sure this is how i play scum

Titus voted me because she loves sheeping LLD

Mastina voted me because my play is "exactly like pokemon" whatever the fuck that means

Reinhardt voted me because he says im not sorting people which is kind of bullshit since i've been sorting all game

Gypyx made up a bunch of lies to vote me

Dunn obliged and put me at e-1 cuz i was tired of this shit

and then I hammered because I don't want to be here anymore
i havent read shit

but im not surprised that Reinhardt/Gypyx are scumbags and Mastina is probly #3 because their reasons for voting me were utter garbage
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Post Post #1488 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:38 pm

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like I understand LLD/Titus deciding to throw me out a window cuz lolmechsolve but the shit those other 3 came up with for voting me was literally unbelievably bad and I doubt it came from a town POV
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Post Post #1489 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:39 pm

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and honestly i dont need to read shit mastina should be killed

her argument about dwlee conftowning her like YOU CAN GET YOUR SCUMBUDDY TO CONFTOWN YOU IN THREAD IS A FUCKING JOKE AND I CANT BELIEVE ANYONE COULD TAKE IT SERIOUSLY FOR EVEN TWO SECONDS.
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Post Post #1490 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:40 pm

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like seriously how fucking easy would mafia be if I could just tell my scum partner "hey dude, just do something where you pretend not to know something I know, and then I'll be like conftown and win after you die"

like seriously who ythe fuck believes in this shit
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Post Post #1491 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:40 pm

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In post 1489, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:and honestly i dont need to read shit mastina should be killed

her argument about dwlee conftowning her like YOU CAN GET YOUR SCUMBUDDY TO CONFTOWN YOU IN THREAD IS A FUCKING JOKE AND I CANT BELIEVE ANYONE COULD TAKE IT SERIOUSLY FOR EVEN TWO SECONDS.
Indeed, and yet when I called it disingenuous Mastina threw the "no u" at me
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Post Post #1492 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:41 pm

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In post 1473, Roden wrote:Angel, if yoiu
really
wanna do this, I don't really care. I already said my flip will prove my alignment and we can scrounge up the experience to rez me once I'm proven town.
I really wanna know why you claimed that vampires are not town and insisted on it even after you claimed you want him dead for your wincondition if you were working on sorting him for real the way you claimed you were

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Post Post #1493 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:41 pm

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I'm town btw.
In post 1474, jjh927 wrote:Mastina, how can your 'belief' that Dwlee fell for the fake E-1 conftown YOU?
Because,
-Scumbuddies are more likely to remember the role of their scumbuddies,
-I would have very specifically told Dwlee about the gambit,
-The gambit isn't timed correctly for me as Dwlee's scumbuddy but IS timed correctly for me as town,
-I don't think of moves like this as scum but have a
very fucking long history
of thinking of these sorts of moves as town,
-I literally wouldn't be able to so much as
think
of the gambit in the first place as scum because scumastina has a philosophy of KISS, keeping plans simple and not inventing extra steps to them.
In post 1474, jjh927 wrote:Like, you're saying that your belief in a thing makes it more likely that it conftowns you when that makes no sense as you're lying if you're scum.
Yeah and among my many scum skills, faking conviction is
not
among them. My strength as a scum player comes from genuine conviction in what I am saying to be true, or true enough.

So when it comes to the conviction involved, it's not whether it's real or not because it's
always
real.

It's more to do with how likely that conviction is to come from town vs how likely that conviction is to come from scum.

My belief that Dwlee hard-conftown'd four players is not conviction that comes from scum because scumastina doesn't think to conftown three players with herself as a fourth.

Like, genuinely, and this is something that will be revealed in more detail if I have the time to actually paraphrase my posting like I promised I would do earlier before this conversation got started, there's only so many players who could be scum.

Titus
LLD*
Frozen Angel
Shiro*
Roden**, Dwlee**

Enchant

Yume

jjh
*Conditional on the rez not rezzing the target as the rezzer's alignment and/or Shiro/LLD being nightkilled again
**Yes, claims mutually exclusive, will cross that bridge later

Titus is just conftown--there's no way she isn't.
LLD was so conftown the scumteam strongman killed her N1. The one and only way she
could
be scum is via a change in alignment post-revive. The mechanics of the rez being confirmed, Shiro's death, or LLD's death would all disprove this so while it's something to keep an eye on, for all intents and purposes, LLD is conftown because there's only one very very specific scenario where it would be possible so basically always town, about as town as I am. (Since I am town.)
Frozen Angel is town for literally dozens of reasons.
Shiro is technically not conftown for rezzing LLD, but the scum literally strongman killed LLD N1; why bring her back as scum? So, probably town.
{Roden, Dunnstral} has weird shenanigans going on but cannot be scum with Dwlee.

For one scum, that leaves {Echant, Yume, jjh}.

This is not belief I can fake up as scum; this solving is not something I have ever done before as scum and is the
pinnacle
of my townplay which you fucking KNOW.

The reason YOU are pushing me is because
you have no choice but to
. You fucking KNOW this is my towngame.
In post 1474, jjh927 wrote:I am saying it was theatre and that you could very easily have told Dwlee to 'self hammer' in the scum PT-
This is something that applies in theory and is valid play in theory but falls apart for
applying to me specifically
and the situation of the game thread.

You are arguing something you know is
possible
, ignoring how likely it is to be
plausible
, because you fucking know that you can get away with it.

And you are ignoring all the reasons for me to be town.
You ignored my claim basically in its entirety.
You ignored my night actions in their entirety.
You ignored all of my points about the neighborhood's actions and the (lack of) scum nightkills.
You are ignoring the points that are inconvenient to your narrative, in order to try and focus on the "weakest" parts of my argument and you are a fucking scumbag for it.
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Post Post #1494 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:42 pm

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its such a level of absurdity that I don't understand how a rational human being could possibly believe it.

Like "I'm conftown because this scum player didn't know something I said in a hood"

Like

1. You can just not tell your scumbuddy

2. Your scumbuddy could be pretending

3. You don't have a psychic link to your scumbuddy where they know everything you know.

4. LACK OF KNOWLEDGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALIGNMENT HELLO!!?!?!??!
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Post Post #1495 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:42 pm

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I'm town, yes, no matter what others say.
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Post Post #1496 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:46 pm

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Your claim and your night actions can be ignored in their entirety because they don't conftown you

The neighbourhoods actions are fine
I am pretty sure I am responsible for at least 1 of the scum nightkill failures given I am a full, ungated commuter and have commuted N2/N3

Btw, Pooky and Shiro are two separate people
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Post Post #1497 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:49 pm

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Tbh, both aspects of my claim near conftown me- that is, the commute (which is proven) and an unclaimed bit, which is also proven to a point, whereas no aspect of your claim does
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Post Post #1498 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:52 pm

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There is an easy way to check mastina. Vig her and then bring her back if she is town. Just throwing that.
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Post Post #1499 (ISO) » Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:57 pm

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OH btw we also need to be aware of the possibility of tailor-type roles now that we have revives. Its best to not rely on that mechanic too much and just solve the game without considering it exists and allow town to naturally decide if they want revive or not on someone.
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