Mini 2270: Spring Fling!

[Andante]

AYYYYYY So last time I was maf, and like, we didn't solve in the hood at all, and I kinda liked that sooo I don't plan on posting significantly in the hood, like I'd rather just dump thoughts in the thread, so yeah, but TOWN!!! LET'S GOOOOOO I only accept dance proposals from town! We are endgaming! gg. tryhard mode activated. maf be scared

I know it's the first page but I cant help but talk about this.

Andante states in this post that they were mafia and didn't like posting in hoods not needing to solve. What I can interpret is that they found no real reason to post in hoods, so she decided to write them off for this game.

What I find interesting however, is that I come into the PT and it's literally just Andante trying to strike up any conversation and Prism left her hanging. What I like about this is that I personally can't help but try and socialize(play the game) with whatever topics I'm allowed to post in. It's like I can see the growth of at first thinking the hoods aren't necessary; then thinking hey might as well try and use it since they're town this game and then seeing the frustration of of Prism not posting in the hood.

Now the hood was created on the 18th and I iso'd Prism to check for their interactions with Andante after the hood was created. Didn't really interact with each other. And I kinda forgot where I was going with this cuz I got distracted by the isos. Oh I think what I was looking for was how Prism and Andante interacted in the main thread and not just the PT. Prism and Andante didn't really communicate in the thread, and given Prism's stated annoyance with hoods, I do give props for Andante for trying to do anything at all in the hood. Think about it from scum!Andante perspecitive. You like ignoring hoods as scum, and you get partnered with someone who hates hoods; thats literally a perfect pairing to just ignore it. Now town!Andante however can't help but try to interact. There's that need to solve which is hard to fake.

As silly as this is, I believe Andante is my first townread for the game.


ALSO mala it's way to early to be calling me townie, honestly it shouldn't feel townie because I gave an RVS post and did set up speculation before doing reads like this post. However I didn't have this post yet, so I'm curious what I've done that you felt was townie.

This feels maffy... my partner is mafia. we were the first pair of the game... and I picked a mafia...

[Lukewarm]

If Andate is seriously talking about leaving, then that makes me more inclined to just kill off Enchant now, instead of that being delayed even more.

I now think that Bell should propose to Myko. But, should probably confirm that Myko will accept Bell before he offers. I seem to remember Myko town reading Enchant, and not town reading Bell.

[fireisredsir]

yea uh wait do not propose to myko lmao

[Andante]

Like... "I come into the PT and it's andante talking"

I had 5 posts... 5 whole posts.. 1 was just "wtf? when did firebringer join?"
2 were begging prism to kill me and 2 were just thoughts....

Like, how is that screaming that I'm town....

[Cephrir]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13309638

107-270, 1013

Sorry, what is this for?

Alright humor for me a bit, this is going to be a complicated post.

The setup:

The setup is 3 merlins and 5 vanilla town vs 3 mafia . Each merlin knows the identity of 1 mafia, and the merlin's know each others identities.
At the start of the game, mafia are given a list of 5 players, containing all 3 merlins and 2 vanilla town. They know the merlins are in this list and cannot kill anyone on this list during the first night.
If mafia correctly guess all 3 merlins and pair them up to the correct mafia member, they win. They can do this even if they have all been eliminated.

The players:
I was town
Noraa was town
fireisredsir replaced in as town after I had already died (I don't think this is relevant)
Enchant was mafia

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Alright, the stage is set. It's important to realize that this game ran concurrently with this one but started earlier, that is to say, while I was being pushed by Noraa in this game, I had already been miseliminated by them in that game, but it wasn't legal to bring that game up at the time. It's also worth noting that Noraa was not dead, so since fireisredsir was town they would not have been able to take advantage of any information from that game.

I could talk about how Enchant say noraa push me as town and that even after that game ended, they would not give any kind of a read on me, and that they never mentioned anything at all about me or noraa in this game, but I'm going to take a different approach and argued that Enchant is mafia in this game and

used information in this game in order to make a decision in that game

.

First I'm going to go over how that game ended. All 3 mafia were eliminated, and the mafia, including Enchant, had 2 days to deliberate on the merlins and come to an agreement.
They did not come to an agreement. It came down to a 2-1 vote.
Remember how I said that 2 of the vanilla townies would make it into that list of 5 the mafia got? By sheer coincidence, the 2 vanilla townies on that list were myself and Noraa.

Let's sneak a peak at the discussion in the mafia pt for that game, because I feel it is important:

Thoughts on the Muses?

[redacted per request]

[redacted per request]

Noraa pushed out Dunn day 1 - doesn't seem like Muse behaviour to me. I still believe Butterflies/implosion are both Muses and I think Italiano is one as well. Look at day 1 - Galron on Umlaut and butterflies sheeping.

So pause - you'll notice that Enchant

redacted every single post they made in that scum thread before it was released

. With that being said, context clues from the other members reveals that Enchant thinks that both Noraa and myself are Merlins (Muses).

Isn't that strange? They just watched Noraa push me to death, but they think we are muses together. It's a stretch to come to that conclusion using

just that game

as a reference point.

Remember, this game was happening at the same time. Noraa made no mention of that game in this game, indeed they couldn't, but let's assume that Enchant has an informed position in this game as well. They know that Noraa and I are both town, and he watches as Noraa makes claims that they are really accurate at reading me, even though

he knows that noraa knows this to be false or an exaggeration

. Enchant then comes to a conclusion... in order for what Noraa is saying in the dance game to make sense, they have to have bussed their own merlin in the merlin game, thereby their read was never "wrong" in that game.

Do you really think a Muse got condemned day 1 and everyone was fine with it?

[redacted per request]

ok well I don't think a Muse gets condemned day 1.

In the end, Enchant manages to convince 1 mafia player that Noraa and myself are both merlins in that game, while the other is left unconvinced and says they will go with majority.
That other mafia player came to the correct conclusions: they looked at who pushed who in that thread and correctly matched every merlin to their mafia counterpart, but because Enchant was operating using information they couldn't even share with their team, they came to a different conclusion and were unable to convince the last mafia member of their viewpoint.

That's my case, and if you asked me if I believed it I would say yes, I think this is pretty likely. As for Enchant redacting their posts:

@Enchant, why did you redact every single one of your posts?

Because i am not happy with how this game went.

You all can decide if the reason they gave is convincing, or if perhaps it relates to this game.

if anyone still thinks this is scum let me know so i can laugh at you

ok im not as certain as the above implies but this was really obviously something that dunn's been marinating in for days.

[Malakittens]

majiffyyyy

is what i thought andante wrote.

[Andante]

I want bell to propose to me and Prism slot gone tbh

[Andante]

majiffyyyy

is what i thought andante wrote.

close...

[Lukewarm]

I don't think Bell is actually suspected that much by people beyond me,

Mykonian do you plan to leave with enchant?

I think I'm happy to leave this one up in the air.

I was half right

[Bell]

Dunn and Cephrir are town

Sigh why is cephrir town?

[Cephrir]

I am vaguely against Bell proposing to myko, because I want to kill myko and enchant tomorrow.

idk i kinda think myko is town

[Andante]

GINNGIE IS TRING ME FOR BAD REASONS!!!! IT PROBABLY JUST COMES FROM MAFIA. MY PARTNER IS MAFIA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[Cephrir]

the new prism came into the PT telling me how to look less scummy... but that they think I'm town.... that is a mafia slot!!!!

pretty weird

[Bell]

I want bell to propose to me and Prism slot gone tbh

No. You’re gunna have to carry that weight.

[Malakittens]

AYYYYYY So last time I was maf, and like, we didn't solve in the hood at all, and I kinda liked that sooo I don't plan on posting significantly in the hood, like I'd rather just dump thoughts in the thread, so yeah, but TOWN!!! LET'S GOOOOOO I only accept dance proposals from town! We are endgaming! gg. tryhard mode activated. maf be scared

I know it's the first page but I cant help but talk about this.

Andante states in this post that they were mafia and didn't like posting in hoods not needing to solve. What I can interpret is that they found no real reason to post in hoods, so she decided to write them off for this game.

What I find interesting however, is that I come into the PT and it's literally just Andante trying to strike up any conversation and Prism left her hanging. What I like about this is that I personally can't help but try and socialize(play the game) with whatever topics I'm allowed to post in. It's like I can see the growth of at first thinking the hoods aren't necessary; then thinking hey might as well try and use it since they're town this game and then seeing the frustration of of Prism not posting in the hood.

Now the hood was created on the 18th and I iso'd Prism to check for their interactions with Andante after the hood was created. Didn't really interact with each other. And I kinda forgot where I was going with this cuz I got distracted by the isos. Oh I think what I was looking for was how Prism and Andante interacted in the main thread and not just the PT. Prism and Andante didn't really communicate in the thread, and given Prism's stated annoyance with hoods, I do give props for Andante for trying to do anything at all in the hood. Think about it from scum!Andante perspecitive. You like ignoring hoods as scum, and you get partnered with someone who hates hoods; thats literally a perfect pairing to just ignore it. Now town!Andante however can't help but try to interact. There's that need to solve which is hard to fake.

As silly as this is, I believe Andante is my first townread for the game.


ALSO mala it's way to early to be calling me townie, honestly it shouldn't feel townie because I gave an RVS post and did set up speculation before doing reads like this post. However I didn't have this post yet, so I'm curious what I've done that you felt was townie.

This feels maffy... my partner is mafia. we were the first pair of the game... and I picked a mafia...

you do realize you were the first pair the last dance game and you were mafia. Mafia try to pair semi-early in dance games

[fireisredsir]

if you think bell is town then him proposing to myko is a bad idea bc myko thinks bell is scum and will probably reject, and bell only gets 1 proposal

[Andante]

Dunn and Cephrir are town

Sigh why is cephrir town?

whatever I read from him was really good, it was like a bunch of solving I think, I TRed it, I believe Ceph is town, as much as I believe fire maf. but for now. GINNGIE IS MAFIA AND THAT'S THE MAFIA I WANT OUT

[Andante]

DO NONE YALL BELIEVE ME? PRISM SLOT IS MAFIA

[Bell]

Okay, I do not remember cephrir saying anything really good or solving in this game.

[Cephrir]

OK. Also, you can't actually leave until the next phase, I just wanted to see whether you were blustering or would actually go through with it and attempt to leave.

I'm dead serious. I want to leave. my partner is mafia. and I highly doubt anyone wants bell with me cause all yall were like "TAKE PRISM!!!" that prism slot is mafia I tell you... it is not town at alllll

i wouldn't argue with bell stepping in here if you're definitely planning to leave

Ceph, how's Fire in your PT?

we're moving a bit slowly but maybe starting to have a conversation?

[Andante]

whatever, I can at least try.

I want to leave this dance now

[Malakittens]

but i disagree with your partner being scum andante

i'm more confidence elsewhere.

[Cephrir]

I want bell to propose to me and Prism slot gone tbh

No. You’re gunna have to carry that weight.

why is that a hard no?

[Bell]

*slaps cephrir with a fish*
Prophetic quip fish tax

[Andante]

i wouldn't argue with bell stepping in here if you're definitely planning to leave

I am 100% sure my partner is mafia... what choice do I have if bell won't pair with me. I have to leave. simple as that