Newbie 2095 | Game over

[whiskey delta]

Which reads did you flip?

You and Alianna, as it were. Not directly correlated to each other, but I am leaning more Town on you so your read on her does impact mine to a degree. So does 72's. I would be lying if I said I wasn't sponging their read but I think they could be on the right track with Alianna/Greeting/hutmeil roughly.

The short and dirty:
I think the way you have largely approached the D1 blunder has been Townie. Instead of switching gears onto me after Roden's reveal and him pressuring you to do so - which there was plenty of opportunity to do - you stayed consistent on your other reads. You also hesitated to vote Roden until I forced you by switching and making you the vote leader instead.

Simply put I think I was too quick to TR Alianna and could have been pocketed instead. I am bothered that she had me at the top of her TRs after I did the same with her first. 72's post (idr the number right now) pointing out the odd read Greeting made on that slot that has me really tinfoiling. Both of those players fit the criteria of what I think scum would look like who were largely out of the spotlight on D1. Both helped to wagon the Cop to E-1 while my big mouth did most of the arguing too.

That's not how that works. If Alianna was scum and knew Furtive was town, she would just sheep the Cop and blame my bad reads once they flip town. Instead, she's showing hesitance, since she's afraid of being wrong and feels pressured to get this vote right. This is a town mindset.

All Furtive and Whiskey care about is making sure each other survive. They don't care if they vote correctly or not, as long as they don't die. This is a scum mindset.

Or could be newbscum who in the span of a few hours went from zero pressure to vote leader and aren't sure how to proceed because they know a FG!town flip would make them look worse after also being on the Cop wagon. She can't just eat this elim if she's scum but she also can't just wagon onto one of her TR's without it looking sketchy.

[Roden]

Roden, I don't know how many times I can say this, but me/whiskey delta is just not it. You're searching for ghosts, man. I'm worried that you're going to derail this game for us if you keep the blinkers on.

My preferred options for today's elimination are Alianna/hutmeil. If you would rather do hutmeil, I'll switch. Otherwise my vote stays.

You wanted me dead because I scum read Hitmeil, but now you're fine voting there? What happened to that read?

[the worst]

vote count 1.13

Ducks' bills are sensitive! They have many touch receptors, making them kinda like hands or palms!

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Alianna (3): 72offsuit, whiskey delta, furtiveglance
furtiveglance (1): Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X


Not Voting (4): Malakittens, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach an elimination.

Day one will end in (expired on 2022-06-04 10:00:00)

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Mod notes:

• quack.

[furtiveglance]

It changed. Reads change. I know you think that's scummy, but I'm trying to keep you updated as best I can. I thought hutmeil was newbtown but no longer think so. They aren't talking like a noob, and it unnerves me.

[Roden]

Which reads did you flip?

You and Alianna, as it were. Not directly correlated to each other, but I am leaning more Town on you so your read on her does impact mine to a degree. So does 72's. I would be lying if I said I wasn't sponging their read but I think they could be on the right track with Alianna/Greeting/hutmeil roughly.

The short and dirty:
I think the way you have largely approached the D1 blunder has been Townie. Instead of switching gears onto me after Roden's reveal and him pressuring you to do so - which there was plenty of opportunity to do - you stayed consistent on your other reads. You also hesitated to vote Roden until I forced you by switching and making you the vote leader instead.

Simply put I think I was too quick to TR Alianna and could have been pocketed instead. I am bothered that she had me at the top of her TRs after I did the same with her first. 72's post (idr the number right now) pointing out the odd read Greeting made on that slot that has me really tinfoiling. Both of those players fit the criteria of what I think scum would look like who were largely out of the spotlight on D1. Both helped to wagon the Cop to E-1 while my big mouth did most of the arguing too.

That's not how that works. If Alianna was scum and knew Furtive was town, she would just sheep the Cop and blame my bad reads once they flip town. Instead, she's showing hesitance, since she's afraid of being wrong and feels pressured to get this vote right. This is a town mindset.

All Furtive and Whiskey care about is making sure each other survive. They don't care if they vote correctly or not, as long as they don't die. This is a scum mindset.

Or could be newbscum who in the span of a few hours went from zero pressure to vote leader and aren't sure how to proceed because they know a FG!town flip would make them look worse after also being on the Cop wagon. She can't just eat this elim if she's scum but she also can't just wagon onto one of her TR's without it looking sketchy.

Are you seriously trying to claim scum would rather die than miselim a townie because it's more suspicious to vote than die??

[Roden]

It changed. Reads change. I know you think that's scummy, but I'm trying to keep you updated as best I can. I thought hutmeil was newbtown but no longer think so. They aren't talking like a noob, and it unnerves me.

If that were true, why did you double down on your town read on Hutmeil when I made that exact same argument earlier before my Cop claim?

[whiskey delta]

The Day isn’t over yet, Roden. You’re getting ahead of yourself. Let’s see where the people who aren’t voting actually vote first before declaring them Townie or not.

[Roden]

For FG I think part of it is that they aren’t scum reading me tbh but also

because I was so wrong about you

I am doubting my scum (and town) reads more generally.

Looking at the wagons at the time of your claim is what is really making me reconsider.

Wait.

Is this TMI?

I think it's safe to assume that giving scum info about town PRs was considered anti-town play even a decade ago.

Is this the part where you double down on your pressure vote and turn it into a scum case?

I’d be curious to your thoughts on the reasons hutmeil is being TR by others and where you stand on that

I'll have further things to say on Hutmeil when they respond and offer more content.

Hutmeil is getting town read because no one really wants to rock the boat in newbie games. It's easier to defend someone than attack them, it typically gets you town read and lessens attention on yourself compared to those who go on the offensive. People are going to criticize Hut's play but hesitate to vote there, since they're giving off the appearance of a clueless townie.

Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.

This is an interesting point. My initial response is that you earlier scumread Hutmeil and backed it up, but now seem to be acknowledging that they're townread. Do you now think they're town, or am I wrongly inferring that?

You say regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, but scum can only 'white knight' a town player, surely?

I don't think that they're town, I just understand why they're getting town read. No matter Hutmeil's actual alignment, I think the reason they're getting town read is a poor reason, since it comes from self-preservation rather than any attempts to actually analyze the player.

Also, scum can white knight each other, because unless the town knows who the exact scum team is, no one can tell the difference between white knighting and defending a partner.

Lunchtime post, only up to 185 sry peeps, will read further tonight, probs in about 6-8 hours

I'm a Cop.

Now kill Furtive.

72 didn't see my Cop claim yet lmao

Whiskey never denied this.

[Roden]

The Day isn’t over yet, Roden. You’re getting ahead of yourself. Let’s see where the people who aren’t voting actually vote first before declaring them Townie or not.

Conftowns aren't allowed to have town reads now huh

[Roden]

The Day isn’t over yet, Roden. You’re getting ahead of yourself. Let’s see where the people who aren’t voting actually vote first before declaring them Townie or not.

Conftowns aren't allowed to have town reads now huh

This doesn't even make sense because you and Furtive are hard defending each other even though you were supposedly each other's only scum reads

Like you're outright telling me I can't town read people and that only you are Furtive are allowed to do so

[whiskey delta]

I can’t with you anymore.

See you post game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[72offsuit]

22 hours til deadline

[72offsuit]

After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

Scummy.
Instead of interacting with my posts and the content in them, keeps me lumped in with tidus as a lurker and also actively discouraging town from posting by shading me for being active.

[72offsuit]

After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

@ Whiskey and Roden and Furtive, thanks for the active posting, it's kept the pace of the game going. The start was really boring for me.

It's going to be tough reading hut and tidus, if they are town they seem unlikely to be nightkills. Id prefer Alianna elim, but can compromise on elim of Tidus or Hut

[72offsuit]

Accidental quote. My lunchtime phone posting sux.

[furtiveglance]

The Day isn’t over yet, Roden. You’re getting ahead of yourself. Let’s see where the people who aren’t voting actually vote first before declaring them Townie or not.

Conftowns aren't allowed to have town reads now huh

This doesn't even make sense because you and Furtive are hard defending each other even though you were supposedly each other's only scum reads

Like you're outright telling me I can't town read people and that only you are Furtive are allowed to do so

whiskey has never been my only scumread. I flip-flopped a bit, and agreed with you something they did was weird/scummy before, but I townread them now.

[furtiveglance]

After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

Scummy.
Instead of interacting with my posts and the content in them, keeps me lumped in with tidus as a lurker and also actively discouraging town from posting by shading me for being active.

Yeah. I'm wondering if hutmeil is the better vote today.........

[whiskey delta]

I maintain I think Tidus would be trying harder as scum. He’s made one vote all game and is largely just calling out Townie play when he posts. POE bait for sure but not a priority to me right now. I’d go hutmeil first in a run off

[furtiveglance]

What do other people think regarding Alianna/hutmeil?

[72offsuit]

After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

I maintain I think Tidus would be trying harder as scum. He’s made one vote all game and is largely just calling out Townie play when he posts. POE bait for sure but not a priority to me right now. I’d go hutmeil first in a run off

Sure, I'm happy with this, can narrow it down to Alianna and Hutmeil

[72offsuit]

72’s reads are so anti consensus I think they’re worth considering. Like I said earlier, consensus nearly led to the Cop getting elimmed and if scum I think 72 just stays parked on FG here instead of starting an entirely new wagon.


I’m crazy enough to follow too

VOTE: Alianna

Time for fire drill

Sure, but did u consider Furtive and I,
being partners in crime,
Directing away votes so he doesn't die,
Look at that, another rhyme,
Ask yourself why,
I'm right on time!

[72offsuit]

And yes I initially planned to meme rhyme all game long.

[72offsuit]

1) too much effort
2) I'm sure it would get annoying fasr

[Alianna]

And yes I initially planned to meme rhyme all game long.

I wish you'd done so lol.

[Alianna]

What do other people think regarding Alianna/hutmeil?

Still not scumreading hutmeil.