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[humaneatingmonkey]

im actually in the opinion that you are being trolled by N_M as part of a pre-game condition he set regardless of what happens.

[Venus and Mars]

could be, that may have been the reason why it was so comical that he called himself "the most prolific critic" of std or something.

like it was an over-the-top attempt to make it seem like they're really unaligned.

i dig you. i dig you.

Also, if Kitty’s scum and I’m not at all confident but based on that game you linked, far less so now but if he is, there’s some interesting interactions between him and NM.

[Venus and Mars]

im actually in the opinion that you are being trolled by N_M as part of a pre-game condition he set regardless of what happens.

Why would he do that? I have no history of him ever trolling me in any game ever. Chkflip I could see that because he a has but not NM, so hard no on that.

[Venus and Mars]

we need a strong flip for d1. not a compromise lurker low info flip like kitty. n_m (because this is the strongest way to gain info from that slot/player) or std (i still think he can be scum here, and i want to err towards the majority than the minority).

sorry in advance if both are town.

Compromise wagons tend to be town since scum can steer people into them easily.

I'm fine with NM or STD too.

I don't like how kitty has had one basic take most of the game and has doubled down on it without engaging. It looks like scum piling on.

I am not pushing anyone else because you are my biggest scumread, ahead of NM.

Anyone else think it's sus as hell that the STD wagon dissolved and his most prolific pusher is being wagoned now? STD is scum, and scum is sterring people away from him.

[Venus and Mars]

I still think Kitty is > likely than not lfh town but if scum, NM looks like possible distancing here.

I still don’t understand why he calls me “caught scum” and pushes Kitty. Shouldn’t he be trying to get me limmed not Kitty?

[Venus and Mars]

I still think Kitty is > likely than not lfh town but if scum, NM looks like possible distancing here.

I still don’t understand why he calls me “caught scum” and pushes Kitty. Shouldn’t he be trying to get me limmed not Kitty?

But town!STD definitely would makes Kitty look worse.

I would say if Kitty’s scum, it looks better for STD than NM. I’ve only played one game with scum!STD and he really didn’t do much in the way of bussing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

here's my narrative report, it's been a while since i got enjoyment out of any games.

06/06/2022

i was falling off my interest in this game and it felt like the dichotomies were forced in that i can't emphatically say either nancy or std were town. i realized nobody were seriously pushing me because i'm not feeling like i'm being truly considered as scum (you might say Flea — but Flea was not even close to lighting any fire in my ass). I know myself to be a pretty polarizing figure, so when this happens it's notable to me. Immediately I felt like I'm being useful to scum or being pocketed. I knew our current picks might not be where we should be looking at.

I tried being superficial and baity, to see if someone would use that as an excuse to push me so close to deadline. So then there's Flea.

FLEA

I felt like Flea has always been going for me, but faer push lacked oomph in trying to corner or develop a stronger read on me — even as fae continues to inform me about the game and even as we interact and even as we make the same reads. it felt like that read was never being developed because there really wasn't any case to make here that you could turn into a scum narrative but fae has already sunk faer position in and it's awkward to openly waffle.

what's scummy to me is fae votes me understanding that it's nearing deadline and that this is faer choice for elimination. and yet, fae doesn't feel the need to case me and convince others to join faer wagon. actions speaks — fae does not believe in this wagon. and for that fae was surescum for me. the argument was so strong in my head: flea does not have a town mindset in her voting patterns and her pushes. i have put out an entire page's worth of dialogue:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1200
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1225

well, until recently that i realized i may have misunderstood faer last post and fae may have just slept through and will case me and pursue me later. That's the asterisk. Will fae? I guess I'll find out.

Unfortunately, in my frenzy to lim who i thought was pretty confirmed scum, I have made myself openly wrong about something. Uh oh. I was wrong and I acknowledged it. How can we follow humaneatingmonkey into battle? How can we sure that he really is a hero? Is he actually scum?

RODEN

I felt that Roden's entire shtick was to discredit me and nothing else. How do I know? Look at this post.

So, the problem is that you're already wrong HEM. You seemed to be making your scum case on a couple posts and a VC that you misinterpreted. You were begging town to just trust you and follow you onto a Flea wagon using faulty information. And now you want us to trust you and follow onto the Kitty wagon.

Like...you see the problem here, right? Was it just a "whoopsie tee hee" moment, or false bravado?

HEM, YOU WERE WRONG. YOU BEING WRONG IS EVIDENCE THAT YOU CAN NOT BE TRUSTED OR THAT YOU ARE BEING FAKE.

Also that whoopsie tee hee thing that locks me into looking like an asshole. I can't care less about that.

Are you buying that? Let me know in the comments below.

I can buy Roden having shittakes like that. We all make shit takes. I've seen him do a lot of shit takes. Plus, he even acknowledges that town can be wrong.

But he uses this as a reason to finally vote me. He uses this as a reason to invalidate me voting for KittyTacky. You know what that feels like? It feels like I was closing in on KittyTacky, his scum partner, and the game was finally going to a direction where it might be viable to get the numbers to elim Kitty. And then he discredits me. Weird huh. Even weirder, he doesn't believe I should be trusted or that no one should follow my wagons anymore — but I was pushing KittyTacky then, who Roden describes as probable scum. So what has been the point of voting me, or discrediting my push? You tell me.

Because you're making a lot of pushes, making and breaking mindmeld, and you've been very self-conscious of the fact that no one had seriously scum read you

And when someone does scum read you because you did something scummy, you just OMGUS me and use your past scum tells

1. I'm scum because I'm making a lot of pushes. (notes: really bruh?)
2. I'm scum for

making

and breaking mindmelds. (notes: really bruh?)
3. you've been very self-conscious of the fact that no one had seriously scum read you (note: how is this scummy?)

This is his double down.

The "past scum tells" he's saying here is from a previous game: I aggro'd him immediately upon him asking other people if he was pocketed.

He said it didn't work, but it totally worked!

I actually understand that one concern. But the circumstances were dissimilar and I OMGUS everyone — even in my town games. Not sure I would believe that he didn't understand the difference, but I can give him this point.

This read is actually independent of whether or not KittyTack is scum because I can see him doing it regardless of how Kitty would flip. It was a free strike against me — and a strike is all it is.

KITTYTACKY

My thing with Kitty is actually simple. He does not feel like his town game at all. His latest postings is so duuuumb I refuse to believe this is the real KittyTacky. That's it. I'm the worst at meta or parsing meta info so I need help with this one.

Ultimately though, this takes priority.

I understand if all three ended up being town, I look like a fucking jackass and this is a comedy moment. I can accept that. But if these are the three scum.... shieeeet. I need a scummy? Just kidding I'm probably wrong because

DWLEE AND ENCHANT

Holy shit. What non-presence, huh?

Although Dwlee pops in once in a while, that's not outside of his scum range.
What's more alarming is Enchant, who is uncharacteristically quiet. Where's the impatience? Where's the comic takes?

A lie-low approach is what I'm expecting scum to be in if outside in these ranges, and a probable answer to the feeling that started all this.

And now I feel more useful than ever. Thanks for reading all of this.

[Venus and Mars]

But what HEM said was true

Nancy does thing ---> HEM points out that Nancy does thing --> Nancy asks where she did thing --> HEM shows where Nancy did thing --> Nancy calls it making shit up --> I hammer Nancy and she flips scum

N_M was so supportive here and it's so sweet, but i haven't really seen that before. not super exposed to N_M tho so i want others to weigh in if this is characteristic. so it could be evidence of pocketing behavior if it's out of his town range?

Yeah I didn't see NM do this before. And I only played with town NM.

I really want to keep my vote on NM.

[humaneatingmonkey]

TLDR fuck you read it

[Venus and Mars]

I was busy with a chemistry exam, sorry for being inactive!

I don't really support limming N_M day 1, as usual.

Nancy is town, forget what I said about NM, I don't think this is town NM.

FOS: Not_Mafia

Treat this as a vote in all but VC.

I was busy with a chemistry exam, sorry for being inactive!

I don't really support limming N_M day 1, as usual.

Nancy is town, forget what I said about NM, I don't think this is town NM.

FOS: Not_Mafia

Treat this as a vote in all but VC.

So what about NM made you think they were town?

It's not that I thought NM was town, it's just that I have a personal policy to not push NM day 1. Because most of what they do day 1 is NAI and thus it's a waste of a lim on someone who is null. But this time, their actions stood out as scummy to me.

I think Kitty/NM is either TvS or SvS. NM calling pushes on STD “dreadful” but not really doing much to defend him.

[Venus and Mars]

Spoiler:

here's my narrative report, it's been a while since i got enjoyment out of any games.

06/06/2022

i was falling off my interest in this game and it felt like the dichotomies were forced in that i can't emphatically say either nancy or std were town. i realized nobody were seriously pushing me because i'm not feeling like i'm being truly considered as scum (you might say Flea — but Flea was not even close to lighting any fire in my ass). I know myself to be a pretty polarizing figure, so when this happens it's notable to me. Immediately I felt like I'm being useful to scum or being pocketed. I knew our current picks might not be where we should be looking at.

I tried being superficial and baity, to see if someone would use that as an excuse to push me so close to deadline. So then there's Flea.

FLEA

I felt like Flea has always been going for me, but faer push lacked oomph in trying to corner or develop a stronger read on me — even as fae continues to inform me about the game and even as we interact and even as we make the same reads. it felt like that read was never being developed because there really wasn't any case to make here that you could turn into a scum narrative but fae has already sunk faer position in and it's awkward to openly waffle.

what's scummy to me is fae votes me understanding that it's nearing deadline and that this is faer choice for elimination. and yet, fae doesn't feel the need to case me and convince others to join faer wagon. actions speaks — fae does not believe in this wagon. and for that fae was surescum for me. the argument was so strong in my head: flea does not have a town mindset in her voting patterns and her pushes. i have put out an entire page's worth of dialogue:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1200
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1225

well, until recently that i realized i may have misunderstood faer last post and fae may have just slept through and will case me and pursue me later. That's the asterisk. Will fae? I guess I'll find out.

Unfortunately, in my frenzy to lim who i thought was pretty confirmed scum, I have made myself openly wrong about something. Uh oh. I was wrong and I acknowledged it. How can we follow humaneatingmonkey into battle? How can we sure that he really is a hero? Is he actually scum?

RODEN

I felt that Roden's entire shtick was to discredit me and nothing else. How do I know? Look at this post.

So, the problem is that you're already wrong HEM. You seemed to be making your scum case on a couple posts and a VC that you misinterpreted. You were begging town to just trust you and follow you onto a Flea wagon using faulty information. And now you want us to trust you and follow onto the Kitty wagon.

Like...you see the problem here, right? Was it just a "whoopsie tee hee" moment, or false bravado?

HEM, YOU WERE WRONG. YOU BEING WRONG IS EVIDENCE THAT YOU CAN NOT BE TRUSTED OR THAT YOU ARE BEING FAKE.

Also that whoopsie tee hee thing that locks me into looking like an asshole. I can't care less about that.

Are you buying that? Let me know in the comments below.

I can buy Roden having shittakes like that. We all make shit takes. I've seen him do a lot of shit takes. Plus, he even acknowledges that town can be wrong.

But he uses this as a reason to finally vote me. He uses this as a reason to invalidate me voting for KittyTacky. You know what that feels like? It feels like I was closing in on KittyTacky, his scum partner, and the game was finally going to a direction where it might be viable to get the numbers to elim Kitty. And then he discredits me. Weird huh. Even weirder, he doesn't believe I should be trusted or that no one should follow my wagons anymore — but I was pushing KittyTacky then, who Roden describes as probable scum. So what has been the point of voting me, or discrediting my push? You tell me.

Because you're making a lot of pushes, making and breaking mindmeld, and you've been very self-conscious of the fact that no one had seriously scum read you

And when someone does scum read you because you did something scummy, you just OMGUS me and use your past scum tells

1. I'm scum because I'm making a lot of pushes. (notes: really bruh?)
2. I'm scum for

making

and breaking mindmelds. (notes: really bruh?)
3. you've been very self-conscious of the fact that no one had seriously scum read you (note: how is this scummy?)

This is his double down.

The "past scum tells" he's saying here is from a previous game: I aggro'd him immediately upon him asking other people if he was pocketed.

He said it didn't work, but it totally worked!

I actually understand that one concern. But the circumstances were dissimilar and I OMGUS everyone — even in my town games. Not sure I would believe that he didn't understand the difference, but I can give him this point.

This read is actually independent of whether or not KittyTack is scum because I can see him doing it regardless of how Kitty would flip. It was a free strike against me — and a strike is all it is.

KITTYTACKY

My thing with Kitty is actually simple. He does not feel like his town game at all. His latest postings is so duuuumb I refuse to believe this is the real KittyTacky. That's it. I'm the worst at meta or parsing meta info so I need help with this one.

Ultimately though, this takes priority.

I understand if all three ended up being town, I look like a fucking jackass and this is a comedy moment. I can accept that. But if these are the three scum.... shieeeet. I need a scummy? Just kidding I'm probably wrong because

DWLEE AND ENCHANT

Holy shit. What non-presence, huh?

Although Dwlee pops in once in a while, that's not outside of his scum range.
What's more alarming is Enchant, who is uncharacteristically quiet. Where's the impatience? Where's the comic takes?

A lie-low approach is what I'm expecting scum to be in if outside in these ranges, and a probable answer to the feeling that started all this.

And now I feel more useful than ever. Thanks for reading all of this.

What I’m thinking is if Kitty’s scum here, where are his buddies if he’s not a bus?

So why would a Kitty red flip not clear NM? Because Kitty’s sussing him, so that’s why he’s pushing Kitty and not his “caught scum” read.

If Kitty flips green, NM will say I had a tmi read on him and if he flips red, he will accuse me of trying to save a buddy.

It’s scummy that he pushes Kitty without altering his read on me in the slightest.

[humaneatingmonkey]

you're making a lot of sense to me now. i think i may have been too easy to clear std and nm there. but it feels weird that they haven't even sought better options, other than themselves? (this is pretty confirmable in the night phase).

[humaneatingmonkey]

nancy what are you thoughts now on roden and flea?

[Venus and Mars]

nancy what are you thoughts now on roden and flea?

I ISO’d Kitty, you and Roden in that game. You’re play is probably the most different. I was totally fooled by Roden in newbie, so idk. I think he and Enchant are unlikely to be SvS based on their interactions but idk. Flea is still a solid tr for me.

Since Roden is confidently tr me, I don’t understand why Shiro’s take matters so much. He hasn’t had a chance to read anything so far. If he didn’t tr me, I would understand it more. Idk. I guess he’s fine for me rn.

I will reread it but his question to you about why a Kitty scumflip would make either STD or NM townlocks I agree with. I also don’t understand why you made that post about NM pre-game trolling me, when I think it’s beyond obvious he wants me dead.

[Roden]

HEM, quote where I said you can't be trusted or that you're being fake

[humaneatingmonkey]

So, the problem is that you're already wrong HEM. You seemed to be making your scum case on a couple posts and a VC that you misinterpreted. You were begging town to just trust you and follow you onto a Flea wagon using faulty information. And now you want us to trust you and follow onto the Kitty wagon.

Like...you see the problem here, right? Was it just a "whoopsie tee hee" moment, or false bravado?

okay so whats your point?

Why should town trust you?

roden are you scum

Yeah you said this last time you were scum when I was trying to reassess you too.

how do you read kitty?

Probably scum.

So, the problem is that you're already wrong HEM. You seemed to be making your scum case on a couple posts and a VC that you misinterpreted. You were begging town to just trust you and follow you onto a Flea wagon using faulty information. And now you want us to trust you and follow onto the Kitty wagon.

Like...you see the problem here, right? Was it just a "whoopsie tee hee" moment, or false bravado?

are you not presenting me as untrustworthy and being fake? false bravado? "whoopsie tee hee"? it's dogwhistled all over these posts

[Venus and Mars]

im actually in the opinion that you are being trolled by N_M as part of a pre-game condition he set regardless of what happens.

I really don’t understand why you made this post and what you’re basing it on?

NM has been very seriously deathtunnelling me all game, which makes me really not want to vote Kitty because it’s so extremely suspicious to me that he is doing that without reconsidering his read on me in the slightest.

[Roden]

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

[Venus and Mars]

So, the problem is that you're already wrong HEM. You seemed to be making your scum case on a couple posts and a VC that you misinterpreted. You were begging town to just trust you and follow you onto a Flea wagon using faulty information. And now you want us to trust you and follow onto the Kitty wagon.

Like...you see the problem here, right? Was it just a "whoopsie tee hee" moment, or false bravado?

okay so whats your point?

Why should town trust you?

roden are you scum

Yeah you said this last time you were scum when I was trying to reassess you too.

how do you read kitty?

Probably scum.

So, the problem is that you're already wrong HEM. You seemed to be making your scum case on a couple posts and a VC that you misinterpreted. You were begging town to just trust you and follow you onto a Flea wagon using faulty information. And now you want us to trust you and follow onto the Kitty wagon.

Like...you see the problem here, right? Was it just a "whoopsie tee hee" moment, or false bravado?

are you not presenting me as untrustworthy and being fake? false bravado? "whoopsie tee hee"? it's dogwhistled all over these posts

Wait @Roden, you think Kitty’s scum here, so I’m seriously confused now.

????

[humaneatingmonkey]

im actually in the opinion that you are being trolled by N_M as part of a pre-game condition he set regardless of what happens.

I really don’t understand why you made this post and what you’re basing it on?

NM has been very seriously deathtunnelling me all game, which makes me really not want to vote Kitty because it’s so extremely suspicious to me that he is doing that without reconsidering his read on me in the slightest.

it's not serious if it's not backed up with pushes and votes. he's been on kittytacky, not on you. when talking about you, he was pretty dodgy and only refers to that first post which is obviously bullshit. i could be overestimating how much of a prankster n_m is, but do you feel me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Wait @Roden, you think Kitty’s scum here, so I’m seriously confused now.

that was one of my points

[humaneatingmonkey]

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

honestly what are these questions

[Venus and Mars]

Actually literally why do I ever push you HEM if I'm scum when Nancy and STD are easier options I can hide in

Do you really think you're that valuable of a mis-elim to me when you've been prepared to vote all of the people I've suspected this game

Who other than Enchant? Kitty? based on that post? Who else?

[Roden]

So, the problem is that you're already wrong HEM. You seemed to be making your scum case on a couple posts and a VC that you misinterpreted. You were begging town to just trust you and follow you onto a Flea wagon using faulty information. And now you want us to trust you and follow onto the Kitty wagon.

Like...you see the problem here, right? Was it just a "whoopsie tee hee" moment, or false bravado?

okay so whats your point?

Why should town trust you?

roden are you scum

Yeah you said this last time you were scum when I was trying to reassess you too.

how do you read kitty?

Probably scum.

So, the problem is that you're already wrong HEM. You seemed to be making your scum case on a couple posts and a VC that you misinterpreted. You were begging town to just trust you and follow you onto a Flea wagon using faulty information. And now you want us to trust you and follow onto the Kitty wagon.

Like...you see the problem here, right? Was it just a "whoopsie tee hee" moment, or false bravado?

are you not presenting me as untrustworthy and being fake? false bravado? "whoopsie tee hee"? it's dogwhistled all over these posts

I asked if you think it makes sense for people to trust you

If you could give a good reason for us to trust you then I don't see the issue

[humaneatingmonkey]

your 100% goal here is to discredit me and it's obviiouuuus~~~