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[Harley Quinn]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

[Harley Quinn]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=21512

Anyway, scum!Titus.

[Save The Dragons]

you accused std of scumreading you because you smoked him too many times as scum

the subtext is that he's town.

I don't think math addressed this yet, I'd like if he would

I did? Or if I follow I don’t know what you’re asking so can’t address it?

I think it’s SOP for StD?

I think it's clearly not

[MathBlade]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

Last time they were scum they ignored my questions

This time they are

Pattern emerges

[Harley Quinn]

hi, my exam schedule is very tight right now and I've had some mental health issues, I don't want to lurk out of dats' game so I'm going to try to keep up the best I can but I'm probably going to have to only engage lightly and hopefully I'll do a proper catch up later. Hopefully I'll be around for a bit to answer any questions.

I have read all the posts so far (albeit not in as much depth as I should have done) - I think STD's posting is fluid and genuine enough that I'm willing to townread him - I think I townread Bella's lynch pool just because it's so like, blatantly opportunistic and going out of her way to expand it to all the people under pressure like enchant and HEM seems a bit on the nose, if that makes sense

I'm not sure on math yet and probably need to put more time into sorting him. I am mildly suspicious of the read on me he gave tbh and iirc he scumread implo for a pretty similar reason (not behaving as town would in broad strokes even if it's more likely a matter of playstyle? Like I can't see implosion playing totally different as town and going around tunneling people) Math do you have any, like, examples of players who are nice as scum but not as town? Is that actually a thing that happens?

Titus I definitely see where your read on Roden is coming from but how is that not also true for Dwlee?

I think she said they picked the same number. I actually don’t put a lot of stock in math but I’m not currently getting scum vibes from either. I also don’t understand why Mala is scummy other than her low posting if that is even ai for her?

I currently feel the best about Ausuka and bella. Beyond that Idk.

[Harley Quinn]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

Last time they were scum they ignored my questions

This time they are

Pattern emerges

Dwlee or Titus?

[Harley Quinn]

One thing that did make me wonder @Math was her reaction to your theory about her picking the number she did to be vanilla and she said it would be stupid to do that. But I don’t see why anyone picks the number she did, if they’re not hoping to get vanilla, so her response to that didn’t really make a lot of sense while your theory did.

[Harley Quinn]

The number theory Titus has is meaningless because hypothetically scum could pick the same number to look unaligned, especially a single digit number. Not saying either are scum especially based on this but her theory is not good.

[Titus]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

Last time they were scum they ignored my questions

This time they are

Pattern emerges

Dwlee or Titus?

I already said this somewhere. No repeats and Roden is scummy.

[Titus]

The number theory Titus has is meaningless because hypothetically scum could pick the same number to look unaligned, especially a single digit number. Not saying either are scum especially based on this but her theory is not good.

They could, but it's unlikely given they'd sabotage themselves to be near the bottom

[Titus]

One thing that did make me wonder @Math was her reaction to your theory about her picking the number she did to be vanilla and she said it would be stupid to do that. But I don’t see why anyone picks the number she did, if they’re not hoping to get vanilla, so her response to that didn’t really make a lot of sense while your theory did.

I did this before to take a low priority PR.

[Harley Quinn]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

Last time they were scum they ignored my questions

This time they are

Pattern emerges

Dwlee or Titus?

I already said this somewhere. No repeats and Roden is scummy.

Why is he scummy? And I don’t understand what you’re saying here?

[MathBlade]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

Last time they were scum they ignored my questions

This time they are

Pattern emerges

Dwlee or Titus?

I already said this somewhere. No repeats and Roden is scummy.

Dwlee’s prolonged silence is way scummier than Roden

Why do you feel Roden is scummier than Dwlee?

[MathBlade]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

Last time they were scum they ignored my questions

This time they are

Pattern emerges

Dwlee or Titus?

I already said this somewhere. No repeats and Roden is scummy.

Why is he scummy? And I don’t understand what you’re saying here?

She means scum won’t pick the same number as their buddy.

[Titus]

I kinda feel Titus and Dwlee

Titus never answered me why not on Dwlee.

And Dwlee is pretty quiet

Why are they scum?

Last time they were scum they ignored my questions

This time they are

Pattern emerges

Dwlee or Titus?

I already said this somewhere. No repeats and Roden is scummy.

Dwlee’s prolonged silence is way scummier than Roden

Why do you feel Roden is scummier than Dwlee?

Dwelee tries to have an impact. I can't remember a single post Roden has made.

[Harley Quinn]

The number theory Titus has is meaningless because hypothetically scum could pick the same number to look unaligned, especially a single digit number. Not saying either are scum especially based on this but her theory is not good.

They could, but it's unlikely given they'd sabotage themselves to be near the bottom

I’m just saying that it’s not a good metric. A scumteam could prioritize roles or associatives. If the latter, that would be an excellent way to distance. I’m saying, this reasoning of yours is flawed.

[Gamma Emerald]

From all my wagon, i only got actual heat from ari so i might belueve that shes the least likely to be scum here cause ive been mulling over that she might be genuine

I also believe that ari jumped on me super strongly in a way that makes me think she was misrepping me and trying to discredit me

???
these thoughts seem at odds

[Harley Quinn]

One thing that did make me wonder @Math was her reaction to your theory about her picking the number she did to be vanilla and she said it would be stupid to do that. But I don’t see why anyone picks the number she did, if they’re not hoping to get vanilla, so her response to that didn’t really make a lot of sense while your theory did.

I did this before to take a low priority PR.

I guess that’s possible. Were you successful?

[Titus]

I think so. I can't remember and can't find it.

[Harley Quinn]

From all my wagon, i only got actual heat from ari so i might belueve that shes the least likely to be scum here cause ive been mulling over that she might be genuine

I also believe that ari jumped on me super strongly in a way that makes me think she was misrepping me and trying to discredit me

???
these thoughts seem at odds

Idk, I contradict myself a lot but he mentioned the word “misrep” so idk?

Contradicting myself is town indicative for me because it means I’m constantly questioning things but that’s me. For a player like Titus otoh, it could be a scumtell.

[Titus]

From all my wagon, i only got actual heat from ari so i might belueve that shes the least likely to be scum here cause ive been mulling over that she might be genuine

I also believe that ari jumped on me super strongly in a way that makes me think she was misrepping me and trying to discredit me

???
these thoughts seem at odds

Idk, I contradict myself a lot but he mentioned the word “misrep” so idk?

Contradicting myself is town indicative for me because it means I’m constantly questioning things but that’s me. For a player like Titus otoh, it could be a scumtell.

Contradictions alone aren't AI. It's the context.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gosh golly this is a bad post. Town does not say "This future behavior: if this is what you see in the future, push the people who do it" because scum will just... not do that if they genuinely think it's going to get them caught.

it's not smart to say but why does town never say it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Math HEM Mala thoughts? Maybe Math sub with Roden

for the scum team? maybe

[Gamma Emerald]

An unordered smattering of thoughts.

1) The more time passes, the more I don't really buy that Enchant should be 100% no-holds-barred off the table today. There's no universe in which scum are gonna NK them over e.g. HQ and Gamma, who are 2nd and 3rd in the draft and widely townread. They are Simply Not Playing The Game. They're going to continue not playing the game on future days. And yes, they're a guaranteed PR... which includes as scum. Enchant could be a scum 1-shot vig or 2-shot PGO, among other dangerous roles. Shouldn't whether or not they're a good elimination depend at least a little bit on whether or not they're scummy? And right now they're playing exactly the same game (read: non-game) they played in chromavalon.

2) StD, Aristeia, softly mathblade but don't push me on it because I have no actual reason (and I'm open to hearing arguments from StD but I don't right now see it), and HQ (but not as strongly as some people have been saying) are recently townish.

3) I'm not wed to the hem wagon. But I do like it. I think hem's behavior makes quite a lot of sense as scum; their play feels much more aesthetic than substantive. Asking people what they think of things, but not until recently really starting to take any real stances on their wagon; I think town in hem's position is like, a little caught between a rock and a hard place because no one was biting on the aristeia suspicion. But even so the play around her feels really awkward and almost unmotivated - like he never really had all that much impetus for people to vote for aristeia, just for them to be able to call her scum and to defend themself. Disclaimer in that I didn't really re-read their ISO before typing this so maybe it's bunk but yeah.

4) The reason I'm not wed to the hem wagon is that there's an unusually large number of people that I feel are pretty good potential scum. I see lots of potential in Roden, Dwlee, Enchant to be scum, and there's others who I don't have a bead on like Mala and Bellaphant and maybe Titus who I wouldn't be opposed to pressuring. But saying the wagon "stalled out" as an L-2 wagon this early in the game feels... wrong.

I believe I'm 5th in the draft, and I'm pretty sure about that

[Harley Quinn]

From all my wagon, i only got actual heat from ari so i might belueve that shes the least likely to be scum here cause ive been mulling over that she might be genuine

I also believe that ari jumped on me super strongly in a way that makes me think she was misrepping me and trying to discredit me

???
these thoughts seem at odds

Idk, I contradict myself a lot but he mentioned the word “misrep” so idk?

Contradicting myself is town indicative for me because it means I’m constantly questioning things but that’s me. For a player like Titus otoh, it could be a scumtell.

Contradictions alone aren't AI. It's the context.

Yeah, I agree but I constantly question myself especially if someone who’s reads I trust strongly differs from my own. Sometimes that’s a good thing, other times I kick myself for allowing myself to be influenced. I got wrongly sr in a game awhile back for briefly doing a complete 180 on a player than again reversing it. So that’s just me. It’s also true for a player like RC who waffling is town indicative.