Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[implosion]

I was! I was considering it at the time.

Again, why would i do that as scum when HEM clearly had no staying power and was a goon?

[Gamma Emerald]

also does it make sense for Enchant to give us a hypo-cop result?

like hypothetically if he is ascetic cop, his investigation result last night is ____

If I am a cop my check was on Enchant

[Aristeia]

vote count 1.18

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-14 01:30:00).

yeet

humaneatingmonkey [5]:

implosion, Roden, Aristeia, MathBlade, Bellaphant

MathBlade [4]:

Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, Titus, Dwlee99

Dwlee99 [2]:

Ausuka, humaneatingmonkey

Aristeia [1]:

Enchant

Not Voting [2]:

Wallflower, Harley Quinn

mod notes

~ humaneatingmonkey v/la wednesday to friday.
~ Gamma Emerald v/la for a week.
~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

this was the VC when you unvoted and if you moved over it would've been 5-4 the other way

[Gamma Emerald]

Also i think MATH is town.

So don't vote Math. Thanks.

I am not claiming anything.

Just thinking Math is town

I think unless Wallflower checks in and claims to have JK'd/RB'd Math, then Math and Titus are TvT. I say that because she's the only one left who hasn't checked in. It would make today super easy if she did block the kill, but if not it's looking like someone chose Doctor and saved someone. And in that case the Doc can conftown someone if necessary.

No way town math wouldn't check me.

Except for the numerous other times I haven’t.

putting a pin in this

[Roden]

Check you with what? Cop?

Right

Ah, well he most likely isn't Cop, or a PR at all tbh since he's at the bottom of the draft. But yeah I agree that he always checks you in that situation.

Why did you think you were shot?

In a bit of arrogance, because my solve is right at least on Mathblade and Ari or my only two other compromise slots contain scum. Most likely my theory is just right and scum know I am a dog with a bone.

Do you believe that if one of them is scum, they always shoot you last night? What are the chances of WIFOM there? Does it make much sense to keep you alive to make you doubt your read on them?

If Math is scum, yes. Math knows that I will demand more than he is capable of as scum. Is there a possibility he's town. Yes. But given he matches his scum meta and can't support any of his reads, I don't see why to change. The policy lim threat on me is a bonus.

I want to see some dialogue from him if he's town. I don’t see how a conversation is "hoop after hoop". Town!Math would love engaging on VCA but just isn't giving it to me. Instead he whines that I'm spamming.

I'm trying to give him every opportunity to explain reads in a conversational fashion. A readwall with reasons works too if he'd rather keep the post count down.

I just need something.

In fact, if I give Math what he wants, that actually makes it easier to lim him because people won't view his lack of content as stress induced and have less sympathy for him. Posting a simple idea repeatedly causes people to entrench. If I was going to eliminate him without listening, I'd shut up after making my initial point. However, my initial point doesn't give him much to defend himself with and results in a tunnel fight. So I'm giving him every chance to put forth any intelligent, reasoned and non-OMGUS reads before I tune out.

Alright.

I claim Voyeur. Titus, I targeted you last night. Nobody else visited you last night, so if Math wasn't blocked in any way then he has to be town.

I'm claiming now for a couple reasons. I think you two are TvT and I think it would be more helpful if you got on the same page sooner rather than later. Plus, Voyeur is a low priority threat to scum anyway since it only has niche uses, so I'm not particularly afraid of scum knowing my role. And if they want to kill or block me, then other PRs get to put in work for free which is fine by me.

[Aristeia]

I was! I was considering it at the time.

Again, why would i do that as scum when HEM clearly had no staying power and was a goon?

because at that point in the game titus was pushing mathblade very hard and HQ was leaning towards voting there after mathblade pissed her off so he was a viable mislim

[Gamma Emerald]

actually I might be open to flipping Enchant today since he cant hide behind his bullshit tunnel on me anymore and he obviously survived the night

I thought his vote on you was just filler until he could hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

titus just thinks she was shot because she thinks she's right

but i know she's wrong so she probly wasn't shot

how do you know she's wrong?

[Aristeia]

cuz i know im town

[Gamma Emerald]

titus just thinks she was shot because she thinks she's right

but i know she's wrong so she probly wasn't shot

Gee my third suspect knows I am wrong. What a shock

uhhhh what
The EoD Ari push

wasn't

cover?

[Aristeia]

I claim Voyeur. Titus, I targeted you last night. Nobody else visited you last night, so if Math wasn't blocked in any way then he has to be town.

this is a pretty townie claim

[Aristeia]

if any1 actually targetted titus with a role they should counter claim

otherwise i think its p clear roden is town because that's not how scum use a voyeur

[Aristeia]

i mean i guess I could be wrong and there's no voyeur and scum are informed of that but it feels so gambitty for him to do and scum really have no incentive to defuse this titus v mathblade conflict

[Roden]

Math I think there's a good chance you're town here, but yes you were absolutely very scummy yesterday and a bit at Day start today

if we're not gonna go after math today I wanna look at Wallflower
her vote on HEM looks like it could be a bus vote and she's been absent this day phase so far

I want to ISO dive her today, I honestly don't remember much of her play other than sounding reasonable with her takes. If she bussed HEM then her progression on him might spew that.

[Gamma Emerald]

He can change his mind. He never votes a townread but for like hammer to stop no lim and I don't even recall him doing that.

the viable elims were literally himself and HEM

he has zero thread influence - nobody is listening to him.

would he really prefer himself to be eliminated over his townread ??

counterpoint: if they were scum they were deep in a hole and needed a way out
bussing there would mess with optics, especially if there was someone to avidly defend Math

[implosion]

I was! I was considering it at the time.

Again, why would i do that as scum when HEM clearly had no staying power and was a goon?

because at that point in the game titus was pushing mathblade very hard and HQ was leaning towards voting there after mathblade pissed her off so he was a viable mislim

If mathblade is town he sure as hell still is a viable miselim.

If mathblade is town and had been mislimmed yesterday, HEM sure as hell would be going down today.

Again: what would be my motivation as scum to tank my credit for being on the HEM wagon and instead waffle like this in order to secure a miselimination that probably would happen at some point anyway to save a doomed scumbuddy?

[Dwlee99]

I am suspicious of Wallflower/Bellaphant/Ausuka

I still am suspicious of MathBlade but I'm letting it breathe

There's a lot of posts here and I don't have a ton to say

Feel like Bella's read progression on me was kinda weird. Ausuka kinda tunneled me. Wallflower idek what they've really been doing

[Roden]

i mean i guess I could be wrong and there's no voyeur and scum are informed of that but it feels so gambitty for him to do and scum really have no incentive to defuse this titus v mathblade conflict

Speaking of that, can we talk about HEM's VT claim? I've been confused why he did that if scum chose to be Informed. He didn't even try to bait out a counter claim to a pair he knew was in the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma town I don’t see any scumminess in their posts

fr?

[Aristeia]

I was! I was considering it at the time.

Again, why would i do that as scum when HEM clearly had no staying power and was a goon?

because at that point in the game titus was pushing mathblade very hard and HQ was leaning towards voting there after mathblade pissed her off so he was a viable mislim

If mathblade is town he sure as hell still is a viable miselim.

If mathblade is town and had been mislimmed yesterday, HEM sure as hell would be going down today.

Again: what would be my motivation as scum to tank my credit for being on the HEM wagon and instead waffle like this in order to secure a miselimination that probably would happen at some point anyway to save a doomed scumbuddy?

it's not at all clear to me that flipping town mathblade yesterday would lead to a hem elim today.

it's not at all clear to me that mathblade is as viable an elim today as yesterday.

the motivation as scum is to kill townies and keep scum alive - credibility is not important because you're not the primary pusher on mathblade, Titus was by far louder.

[Dwlee99]

Would scum picking informed imply they didn't get a good draft?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you scum read Gamma?

Because I don’t tr him yet

It’s hard to explain a negative

so during D1 you SR me because you found nothing towny about me
now you TR me because you find nothing scummy about me
why shouldn't you be turboyeeted for being caught red-handed in BS reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

Would scum picking informed imply they didn't get a good draft?

p sure that selection comes during the number selection, not role selection

[Titus]

I claim Voyeur. Titus, I targeted you last night. Nobody else visited you last night, so if Math wasn't blocked in any way then he has to be town.

No. Even if I wasn’t shot, Math has a partner. However, your position makes sense.

[Aristeia]

titus you literally were sure you were shot last night because you were right and now upon being informed you were not shot you are still sure you are right.