LOST (Game Over)

[Save The Dragons]

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As Susan and Brian ignore Walt's request to look at birds in his book, a bird flies into the window and dies.

Vote Count 1.23

3 Frogsterking (JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Galron)
3 BlueBloodedToffee (Dunnstral, PenguinPower, Klick)

2 The Toad (Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear)

1 Cephrir (Roden)
1 Bellaphant (Frogsterking)
1 Galron (The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)
1 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)
1 Roden (MalcolmTucker)

Not Voting (Taly, Mathblade, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Cephrir, Rad)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mathblade Replaces Corwinoid

[Cephrir]

excuse me while i get out my chainsaw

And again you should know I'm not the kind of player who can only lurk as scum and can't look town. What's up with that?

What do you mean? Have we played together before?

I don't really get what you mean by "my treatment of you" either, I just think your posts have been scummy. I don't really have any questions I want to ask you, and I'm not particularly interested in casing you, I preferred Frog and now Ceph over you and I can just get to you on a day I consider you a higher priority. It's the same reason I'm not going after C&G atm even though I scum read them and have a case set aside in my drafts. I don't want to juggle multiple cases on Day 1 when it's already overwhelming enough to keep up with everything else in the game.

I am interested in how you react to my scum read though, that's basically my way of sorting you in the meantime. Because as it is now, you didn't really have an opinion on me at all until you were asked to. I think you had me at Null for Pooky's read list request, which implies that my read on you didn't factor much into your own reads for the longest time.

Not too keen on this post. I've been suspicious of Toad at times but I think they asked you some fairly reasonable questions and this feels like an evasive response - why would you not be interested in potentially casing or questioning someone who you think is mafia? If you think Toad is scum, then you've got a perfect chance here to explore that idea further, especially when it appears to be a thought you've had pretty consistently.

Is there some question other than the quoted one that's being evaded here? It looks answered enough to me. This post feels to me like the conclusion ("I'm going to attack Roden now") came before the substance... Roden can be interested in whatever he damn well feels like

VOTE: Roden

Feeling alright about Roden as possible scum at the moment.

Looking back and their reads list feels quite weak - the town section is quite generic with the exception of maybe Gaston. They have three SRs, one of whom is Toad, who their case against seems pretty weak, with C&G being another, again a SR that doesn't say much given their posting restriction.

While I'm reluctant to go too heavily on associatives early on I think Roden/Galron is a possible team - Roden's defence of Galron when they came under pressure didn't do much for me and felt like the type of early defence a scum teammate could easily make for their buddy.

the first sentence of this is unnecessary/stilted

looking back at his readlist to find something to criticize -- which is *obviously* what happened here -- is weak ass shit. if it wasn't coming from putting the cart before the horse, you should've had a bigger problem with the list that had only galron in the scum region (i don't remember who posted this)
the criticism of a c&g scumread to me seems to come from someone who is not critically thinking about roden's posts -- roden JUST said they have a C&G case in their drafts, so why not ask to see it before going on the attack over that read being poor?

this isn't really relevant to my point but unflipped associatives are a waste of time and mainly have the effect of looking busy

VOTE: Malcolm

[Save The Dragons]

Mathblade replaces Corwinoid

[T-Bone]

Oh darn my confirmed town mason buddy is gone

[MathBlade]

Hi. This is a lot of pages. Any suggestions on where to start? I will start skimming VCs but places I could target read late tonight after gaming with my sister would help.

[Save The Dragons]

Replacing Galron

[MathBlade]

That’s…a thing. FoS on Galron’s replacement

When Galron is quiet it’s usually a scum tell for him and he’s in the bottom half of post count.

I will ISO him later and see if it is all naked or if it has content.

If his ISO has content it’s not a scum lock but if no content Yeet please.

I’d normally vote Galron here but I have a rule of letting people play first.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Frog, vote Penguin?

Does scum who is reading the thread push this? Like read a room

[JohnnyFarrar]

UNVOTE: Johnny

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Bellaphant, ?, ?, ?, ?]

Why? do you think bella is pocketing me with their latest post?

Objection your honor leading the witness

[JohnnyFarrar]

BBT do you really think your wagon happened because of your naked votes or is that just a meme

This is good question

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE: Johnny

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Bellaphant, ?, ?, ?, ?]

Why? do you think bella is pocketing me with their latest post?

Objection your honor leading the witness

Are you trying to pocket Titus?

[MathBlade]

Okay Galron has content so NAI for that slot

[Cat Scratch Fever]

corwin seems really town to me

Interested in hearing more about this

I'd talk more but got to go now, bye all <3 <3

I think his frustration with his inability to read BBT is real

Spoiler:

Right.

But you haven't answered my inital question of you reading me correctly in the Newbie and so why am I suddenly difficult to read?

Luck? You playing like ass early D1 in that game? Me being tired of getting burnt on crap reads that elim players I'd rather play with or lose games? Experience now knowing that you buddying/distancing people isn't as AI for you as I thought it was before I knew you?

I dunno man, I feel a lot less committal and eager in the space I'm in these days.

Also:

I was townreading Corwin - I think that he genuinely believes in 1742, and 1763 looks like a fairly complex thought even if I disagree with its conclusions.

[MathBlade]

It concerns me, though, that Frog conveniently forgot about mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting. It annoyed the hell out of me that people were up my ass for dealing with life issues, when mala's getting a pass with posts like

why is there 31 pages

NoU

-.-

mew

Actually that he's looking at every *other* low activity player is bothersome.

I like this post a lot. Was this ever explained?

[JohnnyFarrar]

This Bluey temper tantrum reads as real. Prolly don't wanna vote them either

[Lukewarm]

Hey @luke, why am I red for you? Can you come chat to me, I felt like we could have similar thoughts before (even when you were scum!) Some questions from you might help clarify my thinking overall.

I think this got missed too

Yeah sorry, I saw that post when I was was reading through on my phone, and forgot to come back to it when I was at my computer.

It was little things that made me squint when I saw your posts, and very little that I saw coming from you that stood out as townie. But was never anything major to the point that I was really interested in pushing you over the other slots I was more focused on at any given time.

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I squinted at 427. Klick had put out a list of 7 town reads. You did not agree with 4 of them.

But the final line of that post was "The rest are town thoiugh, hard agree."

Like, it felt like it was framed such that you were mostly agreeing with Klick, while in context you were questioning more reads then you were agreeing with.

Felt off, and like you were not really being critical of klick reads despite it being one of the first substantive things I saw you comment on

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I hated the "giving Roden a pass for today for his spoiler" line. (This was actually a pretty big one that stood out to me tbh)

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I thought that your interaction with Frog in 466 and 467 was weird.

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I actually liked your recent interaction with BBT though

[MalcolmTucker]

excuse me while i get out my chainsaw

And again you should know I'm not the kind of player who can only lurk as scum and can't look town. What's up with that?

What do you mean? Have we played together before?

I don't really get what you mean by "my treatment of you" either, I just think your posts have been scummy. I don't really have any questions I want to ask you, and I'm not particularly interested in casing you, I preferred Frog and now Ceph over you and I can just get to you on a day I consider you a higher priority. It's the same reason I'm not going after C&G atm even though I scum read them and have a case set aside in my drafts. I don't want to juggle multiple cases on Day 1 when it's already overwhelming enough to keep up with everything else in the game.

I am interested in how you react to my scum read though, that's basically my way of sorting you in the meantime. Because as it is now, you didn't really have an opinion on me at all until you were asked to. I think you had me at Null for Pooky's read list request, which implies that my read on you didn't factor much into your own reads for the longest time.

Not too keen on this post. I've been suspicious of Toad at times but I think they asked you some fairly reasonable questions and this feels like an evasive response - why would you not be interested in potentially casing or questioning someone who you think is mafia? If you think Toad is scum, then you've got a perfect chance here to explore that idea further, especially when it appears to be a thought you've had pretty consistently.

Is there some question other than the quoted one that's being evaded here?

It looks answered enough to me. This post feels to me like the conclusion ("I'm going to attack Roden now") came before the substance... Roden can be interested in whatever he damn well feels like

VOTE: Roden

Feeling alright about Roden as possible scum at the moment.

Looking back and their reads list feels quite weak - the town section is quite generic with the exception of maybe Gaston. They have three SRs, one of whom is Toad, who their case against seems pretty weak, with C&G being another, again a SR that doesn't say much given their posting restriction.

While I'm reluctant to go too heavily on associatives early on I think Roden/Galron is a possible team - Roden's defence of Galron when they came under pressure didn't do much for me and felt like the type of early defence a scum teammate could easily make for their buddy.

the first sentence of this is unnecessary/stilted

looking back at his readlist to find something to criticize -- which is *obviously* what happened here -- is weak ass shit. if it wasn't coming from putting the cart before the horse, you should've had a bigger problem with the list that had only galron in the scum region (i don't remember who posted this)
the criticism of a c&g scumread to me seems to come from someone who is not critically thinking about roden's posts -- roden JUST said they have a C&G case in their drafts, so why not ask to see it before going on the attack over that read being poor?

this isn't really relevant to my point but unflipped associatives are a waste of time and mainly have the effect of looking busy

VOTE: Malcolm

Toad asks why Roden is scumreading them - my point was that I found the SR to be weak. Roden doesn't have that many SRs and yet when given the opportunity to do so they don't seem particularly interested in pushing Toad further or questioning the slot, which town would surely want to do if they are admitting their read is based on little more than a gut-feeling.

My suspicion on Roden wasn't necessarily new either - I'd included them in my list of possible scum beforehand and wasn't feeling great about the slot. This post solidified that read and moved me from unsure but suspicious to believing there's a decent chance the slot could be scum.

On the person who only had one scum in their list - it's a 26-player game and I can't recall spotting that. Happy to critique it though. However, my contention with Roden wasn't that they lacked enough SRs - it's that the one they have been most committed to appears to be quite weak and only still exists for the sake of it. I'm happy to read their case of C&G but will be naturally sceptical of a full casing for a player with a restriction that lets them type less words than many of us will have in an individual post.

[The toad]

excuse me while i get out my chainsaw

Didn't you call me like uncomfortably self aware for basically the exact thing

[The toad]

Oh I think Cephrir is towny for that though to be clear, hypocrisy is probably a towntell for someone experienced like that

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Wow, what an odd conclusion to jump to. I can't quite describe my feeling...but it's like when you see a player post something and you feel they have a guilty mind about it.

Is it? It's the only post Bella made since Frogster last posted

I thought it was a weird post at the time. I didn't think Bella was townreading me so much, nor was I really being pressured so it was an interesting thing to feel compelled to comment on.

And I didn't think my 2080 was particularly deep - I was just responding to posts where people @'d me - but I see further down that she feels differently, and her explanation makes more sense to me

[MalcolmTucker]

Oh I think Cephrir is towny for that though to be clear, hypocrisy is probably a towntell for someone experienced like that

Given Cephir/Roden had a bit of a spat yesterday as well if I remember correctly, I'm not sure scum Cephir would be hitting out at other players suspecting Roden. If they were scum and Roden was town they'd surely want to ride that out.

[Cephrir]

excuse me while i get out my chainsaw

Didn't you call me like uncomfortably self aware for basically the exact thing

it's possible that this is your personality; it is certainly mine, i was reading yours in an awkward way but :shrug:

[JohnnyFarrar]

2224 is top notch from Roden, moving them up to town

I also really like Toads reaction??

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Bella I don't know what you thought I was saying in our discussion but the intention was not to shade you at all, I was trying to read roden

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=35800

Not a strong read but I think Toad feels somewhat different here? Like I was pretty confident on Gamma!scum after I replaced out than Toad reps in and suddenly everyone is hard tr that slot.

I kind of agree - tonally it feels different when toad sets out to scumread someone. Wish they had a town game to compare

[JohnnyFarrar]

Wow, what an odd conclusion to jump to. I can't quite describe my feeling...but it's like when you see a player post something and you feel they have a guilty mind about it.

+1