Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[Bell]

This page top is mine and mine alone.

Meta

[Bell]

I’ll pipe in for the active people for a take once in awhile. But I don’t want a blank slot in a 1v1.

Consider my vote on everyone that hasn’t posted more than me.

[Roden]

Posting just to say I'm not lurking, I've been dealing with a crisis with a friend and I'm more focused on that atm. I'll respond to stuff later tonight.

[fireisredsir]

hmm ok there's 4 other scum we can wagon a different one

VOTE: KittyTacky

[Radical Rat]

I don't like Radical Rat in this game at all. The coded messages are a nice touch and fit into the theme, but it's also a way for a mafia to hide under the spotlight and get written off as witty town. Make no mistake, this a potential deepwolf.

Don't you think this is contradicted by me stopping after it started causing readability issues? If I were using it to hide, I'd have just kept it going, right?

[Radical Rat]

Vivax seems less witty than usual.

Nothing to say on the actual substance of Vivax's posts?

[Loki Dokie]

*stares vacantly* Wisdom?
That doesn’t make any sense.
Just tell me. If you’re going to play coy about it.

Well more important question are you a polarized player where you play totally different as one alignment from another?

I feel like I got a tldr: from greeting that could be summed up as kill all lurkers.
Sure. Yeah. Okay.

No not Wisdom, I was in a hydra with Auro and I think Marashu. I don’t want to out my alt but I’m fine if people figure it out. I had a guilty on Dwlee and they killed me with some weird mech in advance. Wisdom got miselimed with a Pooky gulity, causing us to lose the game. You were also in a hydra: Milobird with notScience. Just look it up Bell. C’mon.

[Loki Dokie]

hmm ok there's 4 other scum we can wagon a different one

VOTE: KittyTacky

Why is Kitty scum?

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Greeting

I did a meta dive and based off of that, I think he could be scum here.

[fireisredsir]

hmm ok there's 4 other scum we can wagon a different one

VOTE: KittyTacky

Why is Kitty scum?

tbh i forgot that i was locktowning them for doing my captcha so idk maybe they're not

but besides that tho i don't really like how they have 9 posts and 1 (maybe 2) opinion(s). and the bit about donempire's scummy actions was weird

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: Greeting

I did a meta dive and based off of that, I think he could be scum here.

probably yea

[Datisi]

vote count 1.04

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).

yeet

Roden [4]:

Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Aristeia, Vivax

Vivax [2]:

Radical Rat, furtiveglance

KittyTacky [1]:

fireisredsir

Greeting [1]:

Loki Dokie

Radical Rat [1]:

Greeting

Loki Dokie [1]:

Roden

not voting [3]:

KittyTacky, kutiplz, Bell

mod notes

~ this is a mod note.

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats<3

[Aristeia]

Posting just to say I'm not lurking, I've been dealing with a crisis with a friend and I'm more focused on that atm. I'll respond to stuff later tonight.

roden not actually following up feels pretty significantly +scum equity

[Bell]

I'd rather we left Roden alone for the next RL day
And then come back to that because it's not morally wrong to lim someone going through a difficult time. Because it's not morally wrong to lim someone. But there are other alleys to explore.

VOTE: KittyTacky
Hi, are you scum?
What have you done this game that doesn't make you scum this game?

[Vivax]

I'd rather we left Roden alone for the next RL day
And then come back to that because it's not morally wrong to lim someone going through a difficult time. Because it's not morally wrong to lim someone. But there are other alleys to explore.

VOTE: KittyTacky
Hi, are you scum?
What have you done this game that doesn't make you scum this game?

You are human.
I'm busy and feel like a Kraken when playing atm, so not all my posts may be particularly detailed.
But this earns you a locktown. Have a sheep.

VOTE: KittyTacky

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

Trying to decide now on Roden or Vivax because Roden has never wrongly sr me and he was in Terminator so unlike Dann, he definitely knows who I am. Vivax’s 180 on me is hella weird as well,

@Roden tell me how I’m different here than in Terminator and if you know my main, your vote on me is even worse,

I don't remember much from Terminator but my vote isn't based on that. I know who's alt you are and my vote is more or less because of that, defensiveness is NAI for you but I know from another alt that AtE isn't. The post I quoted and voted you for gave me AtE vibes and I wanted to see how you'd react. Either you double down and scum tell or you go hard at your self meta and town tell. Though tbh this part is townier than your immediate reaction:

Yeah I'd definitely like Roden to say more before I considered voting there.

Dann’s argument would suggest that Roden’s scumgame isn’t good. His vote on me is bad but as scum, he’d probably realize that.

In the game I played with scum!him I was getting heavily wagoned and Roden hard wk’d me. This just seems to be really sloppy if Roden’s scum here.

Roden was so good in that game that last town miselimmed me at elo and Roden won, so why would his scumgame suddenly turn to shit? Idk what to think rn.

Realizing that I already know how to play around you as scum but not actually pursuing that is the kind of nuance I was looking for, more or less. You're more likely to avoid looking like your waffling as scum.

[Roden]

Posting just to say I'm not lurking, I've been dealing with a crisis with a friend and I'm more focused on that atm. I'll respond to stuff later tonight.

roden not actually following up feels pretty significantly +scum equity

Ngl I opened up the browser when I got home, quoted the Loki post, and then just smoked and went on youtube for a few hours instead

What game were we both in where I was scum? Or is that just a general read?

[KittyTacky]

Vivax almost seems... too scummy to be scum

People who seem too scummy to be scum are almost always just scum who played badly.

[KittyTacky]

I will repeat that the string of naked votes on Loki is just HMMMMMMM to me.

[KittyTacky]

ok I am feeling good about a Dann TR currently. I am not sure if I should be in the business of sharing every townread this game but I do like working with Dann so I'm gonna throw that one out there

I still kinda gut scumread everything fire is posting, I don't like that they unvoted Loki and didn't vote anywhere else.

I also don't like Rat describing my case as "nitpicking" in 175 - calling out the logical slip up is arguably a reach, like I understand that particular point is not necessarily AI, but the overall argument I was making was that I felt fire's TR on Ari was premeditated, which is definitely a cause for concern. Also, I want to clarify my understanding of that post in general - RR, are you using "human"/"AI" as stand-ins for "town"/"mafia", or are you just making a joke about the flavor and Bell's comment as opposed to making a read on me?

I feel like I know who Loki is and I have a lot of trouble with his playstyle because he can not fathom or accept any suspicion or scrutiny on him in any circumstances, but so far I am fine with shelving him as town for now and judging him based off his read accuracy when we get some flips - further if fire is scum then I def think Loki's spewed town by their interaction

Other thing I found odd:

the wagon is on a slot getting replaced, they are effectively dead votes

The slot's scummy actions are not undone, we should wait for a replacement though.

a) What are DonEmpire's scummy actions, in your own words?
b) Why are you not voting the slot if this is how you feel? Better yet, why are you not voting anybody?

I'm actually nullreading the slot, I just explained why they aren't being unvoted.

[Vivax]

Vivax almost seems... too scummy to be scum

People who seem too scummy to be scum are almost always just scum who played badly.

Incorrect, the description lacks nuance.

There's openscumming, and then there's freedom in play which is me. You find mafia by looking for the mental shapes they box themselves in by being self-conscious in their posts.

[Vivax]

Which is just one of the ways to find them

[KittyTacky]

I don't understand the Roden wagon. He's got three posts, and none of them strike me as particularly scummy.

Yeah same. Roden is very null to me.

[Aristeia]

What game were we both in where I was scum? Or is that just a general read?

in the coalition game you were significantly more townie when pressured. Coalition Micro

similarly in Fusion Upick

when you're scum you tend to kind of don't have that kind of edge/angry tone in your voice.

You don't have the same kind of edge when defending yourself and it feels like you're not quite really here and more importantly you don't feel like you want to be here.

SCP
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I understand from your last completed mini normal[2276] you were fustrated over being nightkilled on n1 and perhaps not wanting to be nightkilled would be a valid explanation for maybe not being as townie as you have been in the past but this game is not really that sort of game.

in this game, scum can't just shoot the towniest townies - it would be quite suicidal of them to do so because it would make the 1v1s quite lopsided, they have to actually shoot in the murky middle so to speak, as a result you should be trying to be as townie as possible but it doesn't feel like you're enthusiastic about this game at all.