Mini Normal 2283 - Game Over!

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 1.07

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-18 11:30:00).

VC

Elements [4]:

Aisa [243], Eiralox [251], Bellaphant [257], Not_Mafia [342]

BlueBloodedToffee [3]:

Grib [288], Thestatusquo [360], Elements [382]

Aisa [2]:

Firebringer [80], Enchant [227]

HighPrincessErinys [1]:

Frogsterking [276]

Thestatusquo [1]:

BlueBloodedToffee [377]

Frogsterking[1]:

HighPrincessErinys [469]

Not voting [1]:

Solway Firth

[Elements]

VOTE: Aisa

Talk about this?

5 and 228 both ping me. The meta on Frog is eh at best and comes to a conclusion I disagree with. I wanted to have my vote on someone.

What part of my meta on Frog did you disagree with?

Looking back on it a honestly cannot remember

[Not_Mafia]

That's convenient

[Elements]

Fight me

[Not_Mafia]

You think an axlotl can beat a cow? I have bad news for you

[Elements]

If you disarm me I'll just grow them back

[Thestatusquo]

I see I have picked a good avatar for fighting N_M.

Unfortunately I do not want to do that.

[Enchant]

Miltank takes double damage from combat moves.

[Thestatusquo]

Can we just take a moment to enjoy and marvel at how pristine and wonderful these vote counts are.

CSF is a saint.

:^) -csf

[Eiralox]

If you disarm me I'll just grow them back

Face dancer detected

[Firebringer]

i mean i like enchant, from the little we've interacted so : P I want an answer for why Enchant is on Asia, but i'm ok if folk aren't as active day ones..... the one doesn't cancel the other, and me liking enchant doesn't mean i'm not holding open the possibility that they're scum.... they're pretty much null to me, but i want them to peek in and change my mind >.>

I ask simply because my understanding of enchant's meta is that when they're not doing anything they're way more likely to be scum.

So it seemed a curious person to say that about in particular.

Not sure this is super important or anything but if you're town something to be aware of.

thats not really enchant meta.
enchant not doing anything just means not engaged

[Firebringer]

I don't think I contradicted myself. I genuinely did not notice or remember reading that Frog admitted to trying to look towny (remember it's arguable he said something else, but let's move on) and for you not to acknowledge that feels like you are misrepresenting me a bit.

i meant the contradiction between ur two townreads which were polar opposites of each other.
U read one person as town for being hyper active scumhunting.
and other person for "stream of concious" with zero sign of scumhunting besides vibe posting.
Maybe its not an obvious contradiction but to me it was glaring.

[Firebringer]

also ur reaction to my push isn't townie at all frankly. Ur just playing off it like its not a big deal or serious while trying to answer it like its genuine at same time. Half insert playfulness and half like trying to engage in it. Then u play around with the idea i am scum at a few points and it looks like ur fishing for who would support you if you moved in that direction.

So yeah aisa big scum bunny. Please vote her everyone.

[Firebringer]

i reread aisa posts and when i first saw "im scumcasing fire now" i thought that was a joke and then later she said she asked for peoples opinions on the case. So.....what am i missing or she referring to something else. I see no cases.

[Firebringer]

I actually can't tell if Fire is still sring me from these posts. But it doesn't matter, because I am the one scumcasing Fire now. In Soviet Russia, etc etc

Can someone talk to me about Fire? I think I've seen some townreads thrown around, but I'm not sure I've seen them explained and I feel like that would be helpful. Alternatively, what do people think of my case?

if post 420 is a case i fail to see u call me scum in it. It was more of an appeal to me to stop doing what i was doing than calling me scum with inserts of things like i don't understand what your doing or i am not trying to understand.

[Firebringer]

Fire's first 3 posts feel extrenely genuine and I have a hard time seeing them coming from scum.

boring reason to townread me. not even sure i think those 3 posts were that telling

[Firebringer]

More I think about it the more i don't like that townread on me.
But i can't agree with Shea so will ignore that.
Also shea is in my "examine later pile"

Wild game with so many scumreads to go through.

[Firebringer]

Naah reread BBT posts and think its town iso, fight with shea was townie.

BBT ur vote is wasted on Shea btw. No way you bring him down Day 1 unless you have the most articulate bulletproof case that convinces everyone its right. Until you bring that forward its gonna be a vanity vote, join me on aisa

[Firebringer]

ohh yeah and shea push on BBT is a nothing burger. I read it. Not impressed could go over point by point if anyone interested but mostly it amounts to pushing BBT for saying things that serve no purpose for alignment hunting (dismissing and poisoning well) - which i don't read that into the posts
like just this part

Generally people have a point for what they say in games of mafia. So when you start with "defensive much" it sets the tone for the whole post, given that "defensive" is generally used as an attack in mafia.

Like are you telling me town don't get accusatory or put people on the defensive with a lack of care to posts they making. I get im inclining to try to see this as BBT pov here cause im now town feeling him but its weird to gravitate that much on this. This is like calling a hill a mountain.

Like ur calling him disingenuous engaging the game. I could say same about you here. Cause ur points feel like a debate game of trying to score points especially when u constantly go "ur not engaging my point". Couldn't you have said "I think you missed my point, let me reiterate"

Ohhh look i found a point where you poisoned the well and disingeniously engaged the game because you didn't set the conversation up how i think it should be done to be townie. Like that is what you did with this BBT push

[Firebringer]

I wonder if i need to make a bullet point case for Aisa scum so at least someone outside of aisa can actually tell me where i am wrong. Because if i am wrong and maybe i am, i don't feel at this point i am inclined to read her posts in a favorable light. Gonna be honest with my bias there because I just see scumminess and playing devils advocate favorable to her is like not working for me.

If someone wants to tell me im wrong pls do so but i think ive gotten lack of engagement on my points.

[Thestatusquo]

When BBT flips scum it'll be a fun time then.

Likely this is anti-buddy equity for you in that world so thats cool.

[Thestatusquo]

Sometimes I wonder if people reading us will think we're buddies just because of our general will they won't they dynamic and clear dislike of each other reading like theatre.

[Bellaphant]

I thought fire was null, then scum, then this page maybe town. Fun times.

@hpe, talk to me about the frog vote? Is there an element of omgus?

[Aisa]

Oh no, I also think the firebreather may be town after that round of posting.

Spoiler:

I actually can't tell if Fire is still sring me from these posts. But it doesn't matter, because I am the one scumcasing Fire now. In Soviet Russia, etc etc

Can someone talk to me about Fire? I think I've seen some townreads thrown around, but I'm not sure I've seen them explained and I feel like that would be helpful. Alternatively, what do people think of my case?

if post 420 is a case i fail to see u call me scum in it. It was more of an appeal to me to stop doing what i was doing than calling me scum with inserts of things like i don't understand what your doing or i am not trying to understand.

Ah right, rereading my own post you're right and it didn't come across as much of a scumcase. In its first draft I think it would have been more obviously a case. Then I was like "oh no why am I treating Fire like confirmed scum". So I changed it in an effort to be cooperative.

I don't think I will reply to the rest of your points in gory detail unless someone else wants me to, as I have a feeling we could go back and forth the whole Day. I appreciate you engaging with me though.

Fire's first 3 posts feel extrenely genuine and I have a hard time seeing them coming from scum.

I think this is an understandable thing to townread and I do similar things sometimes, but I disagree those specific posts would have been difficult to make as scum.

[Aisa]

I want to put HPE in my towncore. I agreed with whoever said it was "blowing with the wind" and in some sense it still feels like an apt description in that often Erinys goes with a point someone else brought up first. However, even when all it is doing is arguably sheeping someone else's read it explains its thought process in a way that feels pretty reasonable. The explanations are really helpful and make it sound like its reads are real.

Beyond that, I feel a bit lost. There is a world in which the scumteam is something like Not_Mafia, Enchant, and Solway Firth, and if we are in that world I am still doing alright. If we are not in that world, however, then I am fast running out of people to scumread. Even Elements feels kinda like good vibes, although obviously my brain is telling me I'd be a fool to townlock her for, uh, being generally unable to explain her read on me.

I guess it could be some of BBT/Bella/Frog, and who knows what alignment Fire is, but ugh.

Maybe I'll just chill on the Frog wagon for a while. VOTE: Frogsterking