Boost Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[Kmd4390]

Zito, 4 claims out on Day 1 is comparable to massclaim. Sure, it's not as many claims, but still. It's a lot of claims to have out. Massclaim early in a game is rarely beneficial, especially in a large game. I'd be against claiming near a boost.

Tajo, why ignore the BoostWagon on Sajin?

huh?

Last count shows Sajin at 7 boosts. Why point out the BoostWagons on Zito and myself, but not Sajin?

kay, i just wanted to know that Mastin belongs to a group of players that is inherently scummy to the average mafia player regardless of alignment. The ongoing game is a good example of this.

So, let me ask you some, do you think that his actions fit more with a "I want to look townie" scum agenda or more with a hyperactive townie agenda?

Mastin isn't a Zwet or Empking or Natirasha.

You mean the RVS thing? It looks more like

trying

to look townie. If it was just towniness, he'd say that getting out of the RVS is protown. But his lurker criteria and vote hopping seem to fit a real, planned, scum agenda.

I'm trying not to attack his post-style of responding to half a sentence at a time and completely twisting posts by the way because I've seen that from Mastin as town too. I'm trying not to reference the other game too much because it is ongoing...

[Patrick]

Votecount

Mufasa (5) -- semioldguy, populartajo, Papa Zito, BloodCovenent, Kise
ConsonantM (3) -- Kmd4390, OhGodMyLife, cateraction
semioldguy (1) -- ConsonantM
Kise (1) -- Empking
Wiirdo (1) -- Sir Tornado

Not voting: MissTake, millar13, Wiirdo, Porochaz, Mufasa, Sajin, zwetschenwasser
18 alive, 10 to lynch.

Boosting

OhGodMyLife (3) -- Papa Zito, zwetschenwasser, Sir Tornado
Kmd4390 (8) -- Empking, Sajin, OhGodMyLife, BloodCovenent, Papa Zito, cateraction, MissTake, zwetschenwasser
populartajo (4) -- Empking, ConsonantM, Sajin, Kise
Sir Tornado (4) -- Empking, OhGodMyLife, Mufasa, Kmd4390
Papa Zito (8) -- OhGodMyLife, ConsonantM, Kmd4390, Wiirdo, Sajin, Kise, MissTake, zwetschenwasser
Sajin (8) -- Kmd4390, Kise, Wiirdo, Papa Zito, millar13, ConsonantM, cateraction, populartajo
zwetschenwasser (1) -- Mufasa
Porochaz (1) -- Sir Tornado
cateraction (1) -- Wiirdo
BloodCovenent (1) -- cateraction
ConsonantM (1) -- populartajo

[Kmd4390]

@Tajo- KMD is refering to the fact that just before your post you put me at B-2 and then asked why 2 people are already at boost-2. I thought you gave a reason and thus were still operating consistently within your own logic, but KMD obviously did not think so.

Actually, I didn't even realize that Tajo boosted you. I just saw you with 7 boosts and Tajo mentioning the BoostWagons on Zito and myself, but not yours.

[Papa Zito]

Crap, I completely missed Sajin. That's three at B-2. Weird.

[populartajo]

But his lurker criteria and vote hopping seem to fit a real, planned, scum agenda.

Why?

[populartajo]

Crap, I completely missed Sajin. That's three at B-2. Weird.

Yeah, I didnt think Sajin would already be at B-3 when I boosted him.

Still, I find him the most likely town in the three top choices. This is where I currentl am:
Sajin > Zito >>> KMD

[Kmd4390]

But his lurker criteria and vote hopping seem to fit a real, planned, scum agenda.

Why?

Because of the way he is doing it. "You are online, not posting, a lurker, and scum. *Vote*". His attention goes to that instead of actually scumhunting based on what people say and do. It's an excuse not to scumhunt. I don't like it.

[Papa Zito]

I've no issue with the ones at B-2, just the speed is a little disconcerting.

Mufasa needs more votes.

[Kmd4390]

Kmd4390 (8) --

Empking

,

Sajin

,

OhGodMyLife

,

BloodCovenent

,

Papa Zito

,

cateraction

,

MissTake

,

zwetschenwasser

Papa Zito (8) --

OhGodMyLife

,

ConsonantM

,

Kmd4390

,

Wiirdo

,

Sajin

,

Kise,

MissTake

,

zwetschenwasser

Sajin (8) --

Kmd4390

,

Kise

,

Wiirdo

,

Papa Zito

,

millar13

,

ConsonantM

,

cateraction

,

populartajo

Green=On one of these BoostWagons.
Orange=On two.
Red=On all three.

If I made mistakes, please correct me.

My opinion before analysis is that red will very likely town who just sees these people as protown. Green is most likely to be scum on their scumbuddy. Let's see what we have.

Empking and BC are on me. From an outside view, that would be worth looking at. I personally know myself to be town, but if anyone wants to analyze this, feel free.

Millar and Tajo are on only Sajin. They are worth a look as a scumteam if one flips scum. Note that Sajin is also boosting Tajo.

Papa Zito has an etirely orange BoostWagon. I think this makes Zito pretty likely town and I will keep my boost on him.

Sajin's play looks protown, but this analysis suggests that he is scum with Tajo, who also looks pretty townie. I'm not going to pursue the case because I just don't see it, but it's enough that I'm not comfortable boosting him.

Unboost Sajin

Also, this makes me a green on Zito. Take it as you will, but from my PoV, it doesn't change a thing.

Boost MissTake

.

I'm still trying to figure out what to make of the fact that no reds were on the list...

[Kise]

Emp... aren't you guilty of this same crime you're accusing me of? Way to avoid the discussion by going for an unpopular wagon; Basically trying to appear productive but not really involving yourself in the larger-important issues.

What do you think of your peers, cateration & mufasa, who also voted for Cons?
(Rephrase: What do you think of their posts/behavior***)

[Papa Zito]

Sir Tornado, why are you still boosting Prozac?

[BloodCovenent]

[quote="KMD"]Empking and BC are on me. From an outside view, that would be worth looking at. I personally know myself to be town, but if anyone wants to analyze this, feel free. [quote] does that mean if i flipped town, it would clear you and Emp?

Boost: Sir Tornado

[millar13]

Boost: Kmd4390

seems to be worth of it

[Kmd4390]

Emp... aren't you guilty of this same crime you're accusing me of? Way to avoid the discussion by going for an unpopular wagon; Basically trying to appear productive but not really involving yourself in the larger-important issues.

What's wrong with suspecting "unpopular wagons"? If he thinks you are scummy, he's right to vote you.

What do you think of your peers, cateration & mufasa, who also voted for Cons?
(Rephrase: What do you think of their posts/behavior***)

Is this directed at me? Mufasa is obviously scummy, but no need to beat the dead horse on that. His vote for someone who he didn't think was scummy was pretty bad. Cateraction, I don't have a read on yet. And you forget OGML is voting ConsM. I don't really have a read on him yet either, but gut says town.

does that mean if i flipped town, it would clear you and Emp?

Boost: Sir Tornado

Not at all. Just means that if you or Emp were to flip scum, it could implicate me. If you flip town, it doesn't mean anything regarding me or Emp.

[populartajo]

Kmd, why you dont have a read on cateraction? He is basically a Mufasa 2.

Really, Im not comfortable at all with KMD being at B-1.

That last analysis has very fatal flaws as it assumes that all the protown players have to share the same feelings regarding boost wagons. This is a terrible hypothesis.

My opinion before analysis is that red (people in the top three bost wagons) will very likely town who just sees these people as protown.

wrong.

Green is most likely to be scum on their scumbuddy.

why? does the fact that I dont share the general opinion of the town makes me more likely scum? have you realized that its more likely that we have scum infiltrated in these quick agreements?

KMD is also only analysing the top three wagons when there are a lot of votes that Im not even sure should be there (OGML for example).

Therefore its a terrible conclusion to say millar, tajo and sajin are worth a look as a scumteam if one flips scum.

As I said, Im not comfortable at all with KMD being at B-1. At all.

[Sajin]

Unboost KMD

I disagree with the method of your analysis. We also need more activity from some of the lurkers.

Do you think that scum would all vote for each other? Vote for none? Or somewhere in between.

Red would seem scummy to me not town. It indicates a going along with others opinion and not thinking critically for themselves. Scum love to be seen as "part of the crowd" especially on day 1.

[Kmd4390]

Kmd, why you dont have a read on cateraction? He is basically a Mufasa 2.

How's that?

Re-reading him now.

Voted Mastin for being annoying. Boosted me, Sajin, and BC.

cateraction, do you think ConsM is scum? Do you have town reads on the players you boosted?

My opinion before analysis is that red (people in the top three bost wagons) will very likely town who just sees these people as protown.

wrong.

Green is most likely to be scum on their scumbuddy.

why? does the fact that I dont share the general opinion of the town makes me more likely scum? have you realized that its more likely that we have scum infiltrated in these quick agreements?

I was thinking that the most likely scum we would find on these BoostWagons would be scum boosting their buddies. Those players would be less likely to boost players who are

actually

protown. Therefore, they fit in green. Red seems to fit town because they are boosting 3 players who almost a majority of the town accepts as protown. Unless they are just trying for townie points, they are probably town. It's a new mechanic to analyze, but that's my theory on it. What do you think is the best way to look at boosts?

KMD is also only analysing the top three wagons when there are a lot of votes that Im not even sure should be there (OGML for example).

Do you mean the early BoostWagon on OGML? I didn't look at that because most of those boosts were in the RVS and he wasn't at B-2.

Therefore its a terrible conclusion to say millar, tajo and sajin are worth a look as a scumteam if one flips scum.

I agree that you and Sajin seem townie so far, so my analysis is probably flawed. Those are the results that came with it though.

[Kmd4390]

Do you think that scum would all vote for each other? Vote for none? Or somewhere in between.

Probably the same as when they make a scumlist. Somewhere in the middle. They'll call a buddy protown if everyone else is (hop a boost wagon). They won't boost a buddy who is scummy (would fit as a number two or three suspicion). Claim no read on another if there is one (no boost). So the only time I see scum boosting their buddy is when they have a popular BoostWagon. Of course, this is all in general theory, and not concrete fact. I can almost guarantee it won't always go this way. I doubt that a scum will be boosted by all of their buddies for example.

Red would seem scummy to me not town. It indicates a going along with others opinion and not thinking critically for themselves. Scum love to be seen as "part of the crowd" especially on day 1.

Fair point.

What do you think of greens?

[Sajin]

Its very hard to analyze the greens as a unit as I can not group them as such in my head. Just cause they are only boosting 1 of the current top 3 canidates does not mean they are just boosting 1 person. Nor does it mean the one they are promoting is the only one they wish would be boosted.

In short- I think "greenness" needs to be looked at case by case.

Also- We have a couple of boosts that have not been commented on since the RBS (Random Boost Stage, duh). Those should be commented on if they have not been already.

[MissTake]

Zwet, you make me giggle. Anycrap...

I assume vanillas don't get anything from a boost which someone will argue is a waste.

What if a vanilla townie gets some sort of one-shot power? Then it won't necessarily be a waste of a boost.

To be quite honest, I dont understand why people are already at B-2 in page 7. KMD and Zito are both good players so for obvious reasons we should wait more/evaluate them more for boosting them.

I can only speak for myself on this one, but I think that they have both been playing a rather clean game. Although, there is obviously reasonable doubt, but as of this far I haven't seen them do anything scummy.

Also, there is also another Boost Wagon on Sajin, why didn't you say anything about that?

Tajo, why ignore the BoostWagon on Sajin?

Once again, get the frak out of my head.

I can understand why it would theoretically be beneficial for the boostees to claim, but it also has it's bad side... which it looks like has already been covered by KMD. -__-

Also, I just want to say that I agree that the boosts are being laid down a little too quickly. We do need to take a closer look at people before laying down boosts. I think that KMD and Papa Zito are pretty pro-town, therefore, I feel comfortable putting my boosts there. Although, KMD did strike me as a wee bit of conspiracy theorist with his look at the boost count... And Papa Zito is

really

pushing for a Mufasa lynch, which he (meaning Mufasa) is playing an arguably very scummy game.

@KMD - It seems like a vast majority of those boost votes were laid down on the more active members of the game. *shrugs* I could be missing something, but I don't think that's a valid enough case for any of us to shit our pants over it.

I don't think that his theory is particularly scummy, therefore, I'm not removing my boost. A little long winded, paranoid etc. yes.

But...

Vote: Mufasa

I don't think there's anything else to be said in making an argument against Mufasa. If requested, I can post one.

[Mufasa]

I dont see any argument made, I've made one action all game, and you guys go wow scummy, must be scum.... when there are certain players who have a lot of scum hunting like constantM, but have a lot of scummy mixed in as well.

[Sir Tornado]

Papa Zito: I am boosting Prozac because I trust him to use boost wisely and he hasn't done anything scummy so far. That is the criteria for all my boosts so far.

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito: I am boosting Prozac because I trust him to use boost wisely and he hasn't done anything scummy so far. That is the criteria for all my boosts so far.

You're quite correct, he hasn't done anything scummy so far.

Because he hasn't even posted once this game.

We are well out of RVS at this point. Please justify your boost.

In other news...

unboost: OGML

for failing to deliver a promised post.

[Sir Tornado]

Because he hasn't even posted once this game.

He is V/LA till 20th.

We are well out of RVS at this point. Please justify your boost.

I already did.

[Sir Tornado]

Mod: Please fix the tags in my last post...