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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:48 am

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I am a named character, and I know for a fact that the setup is not simply "major character or generic role claim."

Nanook:
Can I direct your attention to the question in SquareKnight's post 52? Thanks.

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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:31 am

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in dueling games i have played a person can only be involved in one duel per day..

not speaking for nanook, just my own experience...
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:18 am

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mathcam wrote:I am a named character, and I know for a fact that the setup is not simply "major character or generic role claim."
???

I am confused. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough before. I am not suggesting that the choice is simply between
major
named character and
generic
role claim. I think there is a good possibility that there will be many "named" character roles who were quite minor players in the film. But those are still "characters." Is that what you are talking about?

Mgm, however, is still the only one that I am aware of who has suggested that he doesn't have a role that is a "named" character in the film. I threw out the possibility that there could be "generic" roles in the game , which could be roles in the film that didn't have character names (like "gunslinger"). Do you see any other possibilies than those? Or are you just hinting at being a minor character?
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:24 am

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I'm in a bit of a bind here. I'm not sure I can give an answer to the question that isn't misleading. I am not a named character, but I have reason to believe that my role in this game is unique (i.e. no other player has a role with the same name).
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:33 am

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I'm flying under the radar for a good reason, all we are talking about is name claiming, and since I do not know the theme I will have to refuse.
If you think that's scummy then vote me, but this is stock policy.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:56 am

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Coron, what we are trying to state now is whether our roles are generic (ie. "gunman", or "barman") or named after characters in the movie(ie. "Cort the Preacher").

It would help if everybody answers this question, because I think it would make more clear the strategy to follow.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:56 am

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I'm a named character.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:42 pm

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Okay, I see what you were saying, Axelrod. I misinterpreted that post.

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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:55 am

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Coron wrote:I'm flying under the radar for a good reason, all we are talking about is name claiming, and since I do not know the theme I will have to refuse.
If you think that's scummy then vote me, but this is stock policy.
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Your wish is my command:

Vote: Coron


Because it
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:20 am

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laziness garners a vote from me...

vote coron
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:25 am

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Sum-up of Coron's posts :

Post #26 :
Coron wrote:There is a good reason I'm not trying to annalyze things, I've never watched quick and dead so I don't know anything, also, while not illegal, mass name claim this early seems against the spirit of the game, but
I guess we could anyway
.
Post #79 :
Coron wrote:I'm flying under the radar for a good reason, all we are talking about is name claiming, and since I do not know the theme
I will have to refuse
.
If you think that's scummy then vote me, but this is stock policy.
-Coron
This is what I call a contradiction, or at least a change of mind. What happened between these post ? Axelrod's proposition of little steps towards name claiming began to bear fruits.
However, I think that we should complete the claims of whether one has a named character or not before putting pressure to claim too much from anyone.
Anyway :
- if Coron is scum made nervous by this approach, it means it's good, so let's continue by as little steps as possible.
- if Coron is townie, no need to get a big claim from him : it would only help the mafia find some niches to hide.

Fake Edit : By the way, I am fully aware that this mere post will draw FOSes to me.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:45 am

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Squareknight wrote:If person A challenges person B and wins, the person A cannot challenge again, correct? But can person A be challenged by anyone else, or is he now immune because he's participated in a duel already?
You can only participate in one challenge in one day .. So the answer to your second question would be that the person is immune ...

Delayed Vote Count:


3 - Coron (Puzzle, Axelrod, Zippy)
2 - Puzzle (Myopia, Mastermind of Sin)
1 - Mathcam (_Obelix_)
1 - Zippy (The Shadow)
1 - Squareknight (MgM)
1 - Mastermind of Sin (Coron)

Not Voting: Mathcam, Squareknight


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Sorry for taking so much time to get back to you guys .. I had a very busy week, and my weekend doesn't look promising either, but I will stop in to check in between shifts at work.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:26 am

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The summary I promised:
People who have claimed to have a role who is not a villain in the movie:
Axelrod
Puzzle
MGM
Zippy
_Obelix_ (95% sure)

People with "generic roles"
MGM (suspects there are more players with his same role)
SquareKnight (believes his role is unique)

People with "named roles"
_Obelix_
Myopia
Puzzle
Mathcam (suggests having a secondary character from the movie)
The Shadow

People who have not claimed generic or named yet
Coron
Zippy
MoS
Axelrod (suggested the idea but did not claim)

All this is, obviously, subject to mistakes and thus should not be taken as completely accurate. Feel free to correct any mistakes and, if you have not claimed in the Named/Generic debate, please do so.

Well, I hope this helps. To finish I will say that MGM appears the most suspicious to me at the moment, given how the claims are going, but I think it is better to wait until everybody has claimed.
Until then, I will
Unvote:mathcam
, since the game is already advanced enough that a random vote has absolutely no sense.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:42 am

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then i should clarify that i have a named role...
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:55 am

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I'm sure this is going to draw votes and FOSses to me, but I should really correct this. I had my role mixed up with that of another game. :oops:

I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A NAMED ROLE....


Vote me if you want, I deserve it. :(

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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:22 am

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So, both Zippy and MGM have named roles. It seems the only generic one so far is then SquareKnight´s.
Big, obligatory,
FOS:MGM
. You should not play that many games at a time if you get the roles mixed.
At this point, I believe your behaviour is scummy enough that it deserves a claim, but I am only proposing the idea to be debated, not asking for it inmediately.

On an unrelated note, I will most likely not have access until Monday.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:36 pm

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Mgm wrote:I'm sure this is going to draw votes and FOSses to me, but I should really correct this. I had my role mixed up with that of another game. :oops:

I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A NAMED ROLE....


Vote me if you want, I deserve it. :(

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Oooooo. That is sooo unbelievable. You were arguing for
four days
about this. Are you saying not once did you bother to check what your role actually was? Can you say what the name of the role in the "other" game was. I am having real trouble believing this. Coron, you may be off the hook for the moment.

Unvote: Coron

Vote: Mgm


This had better be a good claim (...or maybe they could just duel each other?)
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:36 pm

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i think coron and mgm dueling is a great idea...

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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:51 pm

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unvote, vote: Axelrod


I've done the same thing MgM just did, multiple times...it's not a scumminess indicator, and I think you were just trying to find a chance to lynch him, and jumped to him since he admitted to "lying" about his role, hoping people would follow.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:19 pm

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Nanook : I unvoted Coron to vote MGM and stuck to it until now.

However, it's not a problem :
Unvote MGM, vote Mastermind of Sin
. It's not because someone admits being scummy that he isn't. Your logic, from the beginning, is much more flawed than Axelrod's.

MGM : don't consider yourself cleared for me, although it would explain some things. The least you can do is tell us in which game was the other role.
For now, I'll ask Thoth to come up with reasons why I should be voting for him, and I'd like him to respond to those.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:55 pm

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Puzzle wrote:Nanook : I unvoted Coron to vote MGM and stuck to it until now.

However, it's not a problem :
Unvote MGM, vote Mastermind of Sin
. It's not because someone admits being scummy that he isn't. Your logic, from the beginning, is much more flawed than Axelrod's.

MGM : don't consider yourself cleared for me, although it would explain some things. The least you can do is tell us in which game was the other role.
No, I'm not considering myself cleared by a long shot, but I can't tell in what game I had the generic townie role. That would interfer with the other game and be against etiquette.

Axelrod, no I didn't look one single time, as I believed I was talking about the correct role. I only checked my role when I went to cleanup my inbox. BTW, I've seen numerous players do it before and I always wondered how it's possible myself.

Now I know.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:23 am

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Mgm, is the "other game" a game on this site? Because I only see one other game you are in at the moment, and you have already made your claim in that game (and, yes, it was simple Townie or "Villager"). But you made that claim 4-20-05, so I don't understand why stating it here would interfere with that game. If you hadn't claimed yet it would make more sense. I also don't understand why it would be against ettiquite--especially if that's truly the reason for your error in this game.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:46 am

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I'm also in several games over at the GreyLabyrinth. A lot of those players come here too. Not only could they accidentally walk into my role. I'm also prohibited to talk about it in detail outside the game (standard rules).
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:36 pm

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Nothing to add to the thread yet, but I need to inform you that I will be away to a wedding in France from the 5th to 9th May 2005.
I'll try to find an internet cafe, but can't promise to even have the time.
For now, I'll ask Thoth to come up with reasons why I should be voting for him, and I'd like him to respond to those.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Sun May 01, 2005 8:01 am

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Obelix, I just realized I didn't respond to your list. In case it wasn't clear I am claiming a "named" character from the film, who was not a villain.

Mgm, I went to GL (see, I do research) and I still find your claim questionable (although technically possible). What bothers me more, however, is the idea that you got a role
from another site
confused with this role. That seems even less likely than getting two roles from this site confused.

I won't say any more about it, however, if no one else thinks it's worth pursuing.
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