[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[mykonian]

I don't really know if I want to. The game when played (closed) was a very clear town victory. Scum has almost no way to kill very towny players.

And then, I don't know if I can. Just the addition of a claimable role shifts balance a lot in a small open, and in case of the third game, makes all scums kills possible in the game forced. (They have to kill the two confirmed townies). I don't really feel like calculating it now, but knowing that 70% of the cases you would get to a 3p lylo, and assuming that nobody claims day one, you would already have a shift in EV of (0.7 * 2/3 - 0.7 * 1/2) 11%. This is only considering the changes of odds in lylo, but earlier it will also have changed the odds already. Scum's chances of winning in a random game would already be below 50%, I think, and if you add to this that they can't even choose who they shoot, the game seems to be very town sided.

But yeah, you are right, 74% randomly doesn't sound good.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Mafia of the Gods V2

1x Cop
1x Picky Lover A
1x Picky Lover B
1x Picky Lover C
1x Picky Lover D
6x Townies


1x BP SK Picky Lover E

2x Mafia Goons
1x Mafia Picky Lover F

Ok so each Picky Lover is paired with another Picky Lover Randomly. Each night the lovers can individually choose to either do nothing or kill their partners. If they kill their partner and their partner does not kill them then they will not die.
The SK Picky Lover can not be killed by his partner or at night by the mafia. This creates a nice WIFOM I think. Also is the SK chooses to off his partner he cannot kill that night.

[chkflip]

Mafia would clearly know who the SK was and proceed to lynch them the next day (if they could). Then again, that could make it obvious that they're mafia? I dunnoooo, but I dig.

Nominate

: MotG v2.0

[drmyshottyizsik]

Thanks I'm 2nd in the open queue and I really want to run this.

[Herodotus]

they will not die

implies that they get the equivalent of a doctor protection.
Also, what do you think will happen if all lovers claim on day 1 and kill their partner on night 1?

The SK will be outed and one of the mafia will die. This is nearly equivalent to:
1x cop
6x VT
2x goons
Forced No Lynch on day 2

[drmyshottyizsik]

Mafia would clearly know who the SK was and proceed to lynch them the next day (if they could). Then again, that could make it obvious that they're mafia? I dunnoooo, but I dig.

Nominate

: MotG v2.0

Anyone else? I reall want to run this in a week or two.

[animorpherv1]

I like it to.

Second: MotG v2.0

[Mist7676]

I like it to.

Third: MotG v2.0

FTFM

[Tragedy]

Well, if you can't kill the SK during the Night, wouldn't it be unfair if your lover would find out your lover is the SK?

[Olinea]

wouldn't it be unfair if your lover would find out your lover is the SK?

Pretty sure your lover finds that out with their role PM when it says "YOU ARE THE SK".

[Meransiel]

Fresh, new idea (that I think will work):

All Over The Place Mafia

3 Mafia Riggers
3 Compulsive Trackers
6 VT

Mafia Riggers - every night, they can use either (only one of them) of these

factional

abilities:

> Rig a player to a bomb
> Pull the trigger

If a player is rigged to a bomb, nothing happens (though it is Trackable). If the trigger is pulled, all players who have been rigged to bombs are killed at once (not trackable).

This is a game of maximum paranoia, as trackers can target each other and wrongly think they found scum. However, there is also paranoia on the mafia side, as they must be smart about when to pull the trigger - because on that night, trackers who hit each other will obviously be confirmed town.

Thoughts?

[Quilford]

Reverse Mafia

1 Tracker - sees who a nominated person visits
1 Vigilante - unlimited night kills
1 Recruiting Mason - can choose a person each night to become a (Town aligned) mason and talk in a QT (doesn't happen until the following night though); if they try to recruit a mafioso, ALL masons die
1 Jester - wins if lynched, wins with the town
5 Traitors - win with the mafia, do not participate in mafia meetings at night
1 Mafia Role Cop - wins if he and the traitors are the only roles left alive, wins if he singlehandedly outnumbers the town (ie he is one of two people left), if he is killed the game ends in a town win

[Quilford]

YEAH YEAH IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE JESTER OFFER SUGGESTIONS PLEASE

[Quilford]

Also I think my idea is super fun because if at any point the masons and town PRs start to outnumber the traitors and role cop, everyone has to suddenly look like they're hunting for scum rather than hunting for town :3

[chkflip]

Switch jester with a cult recruiter/leader and I'm sold.

[Mist7676]

Switch jester. Open's cant contain jesters

[Meransiel]

Townsided cause if the vig kills the Rolecop it's game over.

So...what aboot my game?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Just for the record I'm running(most likely) MotG V2 in a week or two. If 2nd in the queue so ya just to let you guys know.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Mafia of the Gods V3

1x Cop
1x Picky Lover A
1x Picky Lover B
1x Picky Lover C
1x Picky Lover D
6x Townies


1x BP PGO SK Picky Lover E

2x Mafia Goons
1x Mafia Picky Lover F

Ok so each Picky Lover is paired with another Picky Lover Randomly. Each night the lovers can individually choose to either do nothing or kill their partners. If they kill their partner and their partner does not kill them then they will not die.
The SK Picky Lover can not be killed by his partner or at night by the mafia. This creates a nice WIFOM I think. Also is the SK chooses to off his partner he cannot kill that night.
The reason I made the SK a PGO is because it gives the mafia picky lover a reason not to just kill his lover N1 no matter what, also it makes the SK think twice about killing his lover night one because he could kill someone else in stead and hope his lover tries to kill him.

[chkflip]

That's a very interesting concept, are these riggers a new role? They can rig the watchers, right?

[Meransiel]

Yes, they are a new role. And they can rig anyone, even themselves.

[chkflip]

So it's obviously not nightless entirely, there's just no night kill?

I think three trackers is a little overkill. Switch one out for a watcher or voyeur maybe?

[mykonian]

Reverse Mafia

1 Tracker - sees who a nominated person visits
1 Vigilante - unlimited night kills
1 Recruiting Mason - can choose a person each night to become a (Town aligned) mason and talk in a QT (doesn't happen until the following night though); if they try to recruit a mafioso, ALL masons die
1 Jester - wins if lynched, wins with the town
5 Traitors - win with the mafia, do not participate in mafia meetings at night
1 Mafia Role Cop - wins if he and the traitors are the only roles left alive, wins if he singlehandedly outnumbers the town (ie he is one of two people left), if he is killed the game ends in a town win

No, for a few reasons. A. this game might be fun, but it is mostly fun in a environment where you already expect a lot of pr's. Chat games/Real life. Not on a forum. B. This means this game goes to unwinnable fast or is swingy. C. This particular setup relies heavily on a whisper function, as the Role cop needs communication to survive.

So please, don't copy a setup straight from EpicMafia. Their games can sometimes be boring from a certain moment or very swingy. People invested only 10 minutes in them anyway, so who cares. Here people do, because they are playing it for weeks.

[Quilford]

I'm not trying to claim the setup as my own, not at all. I really liked the concept and I think it could be adapted nicely.

[Meransiel]

So it's obviously not nightless entirely, there's just no night kill?

I think three trackers is a little overkill. Switch one out for a watcher or voyeur maybe?

IMO watchers are better than trackers. And mafia can nk, it just takes a while.

Plus, if you're patient the killing part gets easier. Killing, for instance, 4 people takes anywhere from 5 to 8 days depending on how you rig.