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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:26 pm

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Internet Stranger wrote:Funny how you say that while plunking down Vote #3 on me. Very very sneaky of you.


I've provided reasons why I think you're scum, others have agreed and you haven't refuted my claims.If you aren't scum please show me that, but until then I feel my vote is well thought out and justified.
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:28 pm

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Not really.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:46 pm

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Pine wrote:My mistake, I misread the relevant quote. Retracted, though you're still scum for other reasons.

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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:48 pm

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Pine wrote:
Ravel wrote:Xeras, IS and Pine:
1) In your games with her, Is Riceballtail generally a scummy player regardless of alignment?
2) Is Riceballtail a useful scumhunter?

I don't know. I was dead halfway through D1, and the only thing I can specifically recall if RBT being one of the hot D1 wagons.

I have no reason to disbelieve the Miller claim. RedFF's nameclaim raging in the face of a very good reason not to (to catch scum counterclaiming the name) comes off as scummy.

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^My first vote out of RVS. Whee!

Isn't asking for a nameclaim (to catch scum trying to make an easy miller claim) just as useful as possibly catching scum in a fakeclaim. I'm not sure what ghostbusters character could be a miller or scum.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:36 pm

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Going back a few pages where someone asked if anyone has played with anyone else:

I've played with IS several times. It's been a while, but this is classic IS playing style. It's always "I have found the mafia and you should all vote for them" without as much explanation as you would get from other people. I never quite figured out if he actually had some intuition that he couldn't or wouldn't explain clearly, or if he kept trying to make mountains out of molehills and thus had nothing to really explain. He would get some hits, but there would also be misses. I seem to recall this behavior whether he was scum or not. You can see some examples here, from 7 years ago: Click me!

The people who stand out so far are Riceballtail, redFF, jason, jdm998, and IS, mostly because they're the ones who are arguing back and forth.

Of those 5, jason is actually striking me more as town at this point than the others. I can't get a good read on RBT, since I can see the logic behind both sides of the argument surrounding him/her. I also can't get a read on IS since he always plays this way.

That leaves jdm and redFF, who were basically saying the same thing, but redFF was more emphatic about it. It's curious that jdm started attacking redFF for voting RBT, when both of them wanted a name claim, as did IS, and both IS and redFF had votes on RBT. jdm ignores IS in all of it, though.

Vote: jdm


Selectively targeting one person when at least one other person is doing a pretty similar thing is suspicious in my book.
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:14 pm

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First things first- I am a night owl, so except posts from me during the night. i dont post much during the day- a job and whatnot. If it is a problem, just say so. I’ll also answer questions directed to me no matter how old the questions are.

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jdm vs redFF

RedFF sounds sincere, but misguided to me, here. jdm is getting pissed at redFF’s apparent rush to lynch. I like this post here. sounds town to me

jdm998 wrote:

Why are you so quick to lynch bruv? A miller NEEDS to say they're a miller. RBT's done that. Nothing scummy about that to me. Maybe you play different, but every game I've been in, miller's have claimed. A name cliam would be cool, but right now you're just jumping to lynch right away, and if we mislynch then somebody gets nighkilled we'd be in a bad spot. Stop overreacting right away, it's annoying and works against us.


This argument was more likely town on town in my opinion.
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IS vs RBT

Meta things flow. I find it interesting that IS called RBT out for being scum in many of his games, and pointed out that RBT makes idiotic gambits when scum, all the while nelgecting the fact that he was scum in those games also (according to RBT- dont sue me if this insight turns out to be false)
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IS vs jason

This looks like IS is just poing at jason to see what sticks. I would call IS scummy for this but... i did read some of IS’s games in the past and the posting style is similar. I guess I’ll just wait and see with IS.
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IS- what’s the significance of “vote #3”? it is 7 to lynch, amirite? Doesnt look like a “sneaky way to quicklynch you” to me.


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redFF- I could think of a couple characters that’d fit a miller role- but what the other thing we could do with RBT is to just treat the millerclaim as a nulltell, and wait, see if somebody claims RBT’s name, then see what happens after that? Naturally, if RBT is scummy, ropey time. If towny, RBT can live. I dont think a millerclaim is a good D1 lynch because it is not really revealing of any algnment. Its essetinaly a policy lynch which allows both town and scum to have nearly the same motives on that wagon, which is bad. If we lynch based on something scummy, we’ll have information afterwards based on who was on/off the wagon.
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Smallpeoples343 is a bit odd to me. “really weird millerclaim” how so? and this post is... I dont see the point of it.

smallpeoples343 wrote:Usually, a complete claim involves a roleclaim and a nameclaim in themed games, to verify the role with the flavor name.


The +1 of IS’s post is hilarious. use your own brain, dont borrow posts from IS.

My god. you post 2 huge quotes to just point at a little thing that could vaguely be condisered a contradiction? that was a waste of a post.

a quick takeback of your wasted post with no explantion of why you thought it was a contradiction?

You, my friend, are scum.

For more references- just look at his posting in iso- he contributes nothing of any substance, just little pointing fingers and no votes. /dislike.

unvote, vote smallpeople

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Pine- I think it’d be more useful to ask that question to the mod AFTER somebody nameclaimed, not before. by asking before, you’re ensuring scum doesnt mess up on their nameclaims. scumpoint to you here i think. not major, but a little.
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jdm- I dont get the point of this post.

jdm998 wrote:
For reference:

Not day 1 claiming a potential power role (I've been in games where the trade off is a miller has a power ie: The Punisher is a vigilante) is not scummy, just a bit suspicous

Voting somebody for not day 1 claiming a potential power role (See above) is scummy.

In my eyes.

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To TLDR for wall-skimmers, read the section on smallpeoples. that's the important section i think. He's a sneaky scummy ghost. let's bust him.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:28 pm

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Klazam, I asked before anyone answered because a mod is more likely to answer when it doesn't screw with anyone's possible fakeclaim. See, the answer to that question is useful outside of the specific circumstance, but if RBT is fakeclaiming and sticks to a flavor that SP doesn't intend, he's unlikely to directly contradict a fakeclaimer over so minor a point at this point in the game. So I asked before the window potentially closed. Doesn't look like I'm getting an answer anyway.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:41 pm

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Two things, firstly I said in the Signup thread that this game is exclusively from the first film only. Second a vote count will be on its way at some point today, however I'm on my iPad currently hence the lack of colour in this post currently, so as soon as I get to a PC I will update proper.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:51 pm

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@Klazam: These two games, IS Mafia/RBT SK and IS Mafia/RBT Werewolf, respectively.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 54&t=18639
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&t=17173

@Pine: My rolename definitely fits being a miller. The fact that scum want it out is just confirming that they don't have fakeclaims, and thus do not want to be caught in a CC.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:30 am

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Grr... it sucks having the same initials as the mod. SnakePlissken=SP. SmallPeople=SP.

So, I think the whole miller thing with RBT can wait until another day, when we have more info.
Pine seems to have very short and not very many content filled posts. Most posts are responding to questions.
Now, if I ISO Klazam, I get that he has the first 5 posts be almost meaningless and then a huge 6th post. The first 5 had him voting for red, then explaining that RBT said the reason why he was voting for red.

Courk wrote:Going back a few pages where someone asked if anyone has played with anyone else:

I've played with IS several times. It's been a while, but this is classic IS playing style. It's always "I have found the mafia and you should all vote for them" without as much explanation as you would get from other people. I never quite figured out if he actually had some intuition that he couldn't or wouldn't explain clearly, or if he kept trying to make mountains out of molehills and thus had nothing to really explain. He would get some hits, but there would also be misses. I seem to recall this behavior whether he was scum or not. You can see some examples here, from 7 years ago: Click me!

The people who stand out so far are Riceballtail, redFF, jason, jdm998, and IS, mostly because they're the ones who are arguing back and forth.

Of those 5, jason is actually striking me more as town at this point than the others. I can't get a good read on RBT, since I can see the logic behind both sides of the argument surrounding him/her. I also can't get a read on IS since he always plays this way.

That leaves jdm and redFF, who were basically saying the same thing, but redFF was more emphatic about it. It's curious that jdm started attacking redFF for voting RBT, when both of them wanted a name claim, as did IS, and both IS and redFF had votes on RBT. jdm ignores IS in all of it, though.

Vote: jdm


Selectively targeting one person when at least one other person is doing a pretty similar thing is suspicious in my book.


I agree with the first parts of the above quote. I do remember that IS was pretty much attacking one person with minor hits on some other people occasionally.

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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:47 am

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Riceballtail wrote:@Klazam: These two games, IS Mafia/RBT SK and IS Mafia/RBT Werewolf, respectively.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 54&t=18639
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&t=17173

@Pine: My rolename definitely fits being a miller. The fact that scum want it out is just confirming that they don't have fakeclaims, and thus do not want to be caught in a CC.


And what is you rolename? I'm quite suspicious now. Before I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but now it's just weird that you aren't name claiming.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:14 am

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does nobody see how contradictory it is that jdm's main criticism of me was my rush to lynch but he put down a quick third vote on IS?
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:17 am

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Riceballtail wrote:@Klazam: These two games, IS Mafia/RBT SK and IS Mafia/RBT Werewolf, respectively.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 54&t=18639
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&t=17173

@Pine: My rolename definitely fits being a miller. The fact that scum want it out is just confirming that they don't have fakeclaims, and thus do not want to be caught in a CC.

wow. Rice instead of making your claim way less suspicious, your not gonna claim because there's a chance scum won't have been given fakeclaims and that there's a chance that your name will be the one to catch it?

I also love how accusatory the end of that post is. You just called me and IS scum, so how about you vote one of us?

yeah rice is still lying scum.
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:18 am

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redFF wrote:does nobody see how contradictory it is that jdm's main criticism of me was my rush to lynch but he put down a quick third vote on IS?


a 3rd vote isn't going to do much really.... the fact you were almost screaming lets lynch now is totally different.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:52 am

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redFF wrote:does nobody see how contradictory it is that jdm's main criticism of me was my rush to lynch but he put down a quick third vote on IS?


My criticism is you lynching for what was at the time just a small thing (Claiming miller). I've said why I think IS is scum, and it's clear others agree. Right now yes Rice seems to be scum, but when you voted for her (him?), all they'd done is claim miller which is standard practise.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:02 am

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Yes and I never said there was anything wrong with a miller claiming first post lol. Its the manner in which it was done that I find suspicious and how rbt has followed it up.
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:06 am

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So theres nothing wrong with claiming miller first post

but it was suspicious how she did it... how so?
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:29 am

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Where the bloody hell is my RedFF wagon? Stop playing with yourselves and get on this.
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:34 am

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jesus christ i've explained
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:35 am

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humor me, and explain again.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:36 am

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redFF wrote:
Klazam wrote:redFF- Why do you want a nameclaim? I'd judge the claim on its own merits. A name does not add anything to the role, i believe.

unvote, vote redFF


I'll just treat that miller claim like a nulltell, but in my limited experience- I'd be inclined to believe it. Lynch RBT if RBT looks scummy, dont lynch RBT if RBT seems town, lynch RBT before we get to lylo. thats all i think the claim means to me.

it's very easy for scum to fakeclaim miller first post. it's harder for scum to think up a character that works with the claim and risk being counterclaimed. Luckily this is a theme game and we can ask for that.

VOTE: Riceballtail
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:39 am

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red, I reread your posts and all you've talked about is RBT and the miller claim. Aside from RBT, who's your top scum read?

Pine, I'm not jumping on that bandwagon. I see his persistence more of a towntell
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:48 am

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No, at this point dropping it would be more scummy. Think about it, if he tucked tail and said "Hey, can't we all be friends?" you'd know right away that he was pandering. This is the sort of thing that scum just has to stick through until he gets an answer or it dies down (as you're trying to make it) and
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:52 am

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Klazam wrote:redFF- Why do you want a nameclaim? I'd judge the claim on its own merits. A name does not add anything to the role, i believe.

unvote, vote redFF


I'll just treat that miller claim like a nulltell, but in my limited experience- I'd be inclined to believe it. Lynch RBT if RBT looks scummy, dont lynch RBT if RBT seems town, lynch RBT before we get to lylo. thats all i think the claim means to me.

it's very easy for scum to fakeclaim miller first post. it's harder for scum to think up a character that works with the claim and risk being counterclaimed. Luckily this is a theme game and we can ask for that.

VOTE: Riceballtail


redFF wrote:Yes and I never said there was anything wrong with a miller claiming first post lol. Its the manner in which it was done that I find suspicious and how rbt has followed it up.


These two posts REALLY contradict themselves.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:11 am

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redFF wrote:does nobody see how contradictory it is that jdm's main criticism of me was my rush to lynch but he put down a quick third vote on IS?


My criticism is you lynching for what was at the time just a small thing (Claiming miller). I've said why I think IS is scum, and it's clear others agree. Right now yes Rice seems to be scum, but when you voted for her (him?), all they'd done is claim miller which is standard practise.



OTHERS AGREE?!?! really? You mean other than the RVS vote and the OMGUS vote from Jason?

WTF dude, whats up with all this cheerleading that youre doing. This scummy politicking at its worst. Youre making it sound like you have this massive grassroots effort calling me scum, yet all you have is 10 unwashed, commie hippies at the park bench.

Youre essentially saying "He isnt scum, you are! and everyone agrees with me!" (When they clearly dont)

Youre being disingenuous, chainsaw defending the fuck out of Jason and just making up shit against me now. I said that Jason was displaying scummy traits, I told everyone to take a look and see if they agree. He is playing HARD to be in the middle, scum hide by faking being useful to the town. He isnt being useful to the town, he is still asking impertinent questions and playing Captain Obvious.

Are you Jason's lawyer or are you his scummy mouthpiece?
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