Open 379: JK9++ (Game Over)

[Maruchan]

yeah there's something wrong here. this game started yesterday. VOTE: fennin

Putting Kondi at L-2, based on what exactly?

This is nonsense. *yawn*

If and when Kondi or either of these two ever flips scum, I will be looking at the remaining two.

[kondi2424]

The difference is he's calling meta WIFOM. Mooing on.

Maru, what's your actual reads instead of hypothetical reads based on flips?

[Maruchan]

The gist of Mhork's case was that Kondi was trying to seem protown by doing all these silly things. Kondi's response was either "it was fluff or it REALLY was protown." (when it clearly wasn't...)

All and all, Kondi is still my no. 1 suspect, though Fennin has some answering to do.

TML jumps into being quite a good player for me to recklessly sheep.

I now feel bad at the lost chance to play with him (her?) as scum. Would have been a delightful game. ,,l,, @ crash

[Maruchan]

I dunno if it's just me but I feel like I'm seeing a lot of talk and little content. Not really getting the turn onto Fennin there; pushing for a hypoclaim to happen isn't scummy, and if, at L-2, kondi got quickhammered we then have two scum caught...

I need to go reread the argument against kondi and his defense...

Mentions the point why I didn't go ZOMG JUMPS OFF UNVOTE

People that say "Scum could have speed hammered" imho are more likely to be scum, than the peopleremaining off the wagon. What scum is stoopid enough to speedhammer day 1 and reveal themselves?

[Maruchan]

Agreed. How about we dissolve these bandwagons and work from there?

You don't push to disolve them, You let the game progress.

as Chimera pointed out, it is highly unlikely for scum to speedlynch D1, as it is highly unlikely for us to lynch kondi based off of so little.

You let the game progress, such as when your vote jumped to fennin. The game progressed.


Bandwagons that need force-dissolving are only when they are being dissolved by scummbudies, and they are on scum. otherwise, bandwagons will fall apart themselves, or they will succeed and the game will progress either way.

[Maruchan]

kondi has no delusion that he's being helpful, i assure you. this case is examining fluff in rvs stage, which is silly.

EIther your a kondi alt, in which case SITEBAN, or you do not have the ability to assure us this.

Which is it?


Anyways, If you don't want a case built on RVS stage, then how do we ever get out of RVS? Cases built on shit that turn out to be shitty themselves is what starts the game. Otherwise we would be perpetually stuck in RVS.

I am liking you less and less. VOTE: CCV

[Maruchan]

I like how my suspicion is going to be OMGUS no matter what because the people that are still pushing this are scum.

Fennin's pushing sucks, but TML's still scummier.

SO uhm.


We have a 5 player scumteam?


How did this happen bro?

[Candy Corn Vampire]

i am a bit perplexed that the two people pushing for a kondi lynch have instead made cases on other people because they are defending him.

[Maruchan]

[quote="In post 121,I do, however, like this post. I see no scum-motivated reason to correct CCV's statement, as it would only help kondi. You get town point for this one for "ballz points," as Maruchan said.[/quote]
You just got townpoints in my book for pointing this out to the people that it was not obvious too. Would've pointed it out myself, but I felt waiting for someone else to point it out so I could get a decent start-game town-read going was more important than pointing it out at that stage.

Ninja'd @CCV: Chainsaw'n it bro. Chainsaw'n it.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

i can assure you because i've played with him before and that's how he plays regardless of alignment.

[Maruchan]

Again, MafiaScum, I wasn't done posting.

Agreed. How about we dissolve these bandwagons and work from there?

This post irritates me as well, because it looks like he's trying to go back to square one. Only scum want to go backwards.

I likes Phillammon more than kondi right now.

UNVOTE: kondi2424

VOTE: Phillammon

I like phillammon more than kondi aswell, but CCV moreso than both.

The difference is he's calling meta WIFOM. Mooing on.

Maru, what's your actual reads instead of hypothetical reads based on flips?

Well, considering my vote was on you. And then it was on CCV, once could assume you were the two scummier of my reads.

Considering I find myself willing to sheep Librarian, and i gave Mhork towniepoints, one could assume I place them in the townier of my reads.

Considering I haven't said anything else about anyone, one could assume they are mostly null.


I believe you can do the math here?

NINJA'd: @CCV: and I have been the towniest player in the game as scum before, and the scummiest player in the game as town before. Does this mean whenever I am scummy I am really town or whenever I am towny I am really scum? No. People need to not rely on meta. Treat each and every game as if it were a vacuum.

I wish we had a way to play such as with epicmafia's Anonymous feature, where you have no idea who the other players/posters are. It would get rid of this "well back in such and such of such, they did this, so if they do this now then they are that".

(inb4 Malee yells at me for saying Meta sucks this game and using it last game: When I'm scum, my priorities change hun. If Meta helps me, then it is good)

[Candy Corn Vampire]

how is it meta if i said "regardless of alignment"? i'm not calling you wrong because i believe this is his town meta. I believe you just aren't liking how he acts in these games.

[Maruchan]

You realize that I have also played with him before, in I believe 3 games, and I believe he has been both scum and town in them, so I know how he plays "regardless of meta" and I still thinks he is scum.


Again, why are you chainsawing so hard?

[Candy Corn Vampire]

i'm sorry, i don't know what that means.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

so maru, I am the most scummy because i defended kondi, even though kondi is only kind of scummy because apparently correcting someone gives them "town points," or i am scummy because i think the kondi case case is crap even though you just abandoned it yourself.
phil is more scummy than kondi even though you never said anything about phil.
melee is scummy because she also wasn't impressed with the kondi case, and she started talking about wifom, which you think is meta and she hates meta so talking about meta doesn't agree with her meta, which is odd to you even though you just said people need not rely on meta.

is this all correct?

[Chevre]

Vote Count 1-3

(2) kondi2424 (The Mini-Librarian, Fennin)
(2) IceGuy (IceGuy, Lowell)
(2) Fennin (Candy Corn Vampire, Phillammon)
(1) Pizzadudes7 (Malee)
(1) The Mini-Librarian (kondi2424)
(1) Phillammon (Lord Mhork)
(1) Candy Corn Vampire (Maruchan)

(3) Not Voting ( Chimera, glynman, Pizzadudes7)

With

13

players alive, it takes

7

votes to lynch.
The deadline for Day 1 is

1 April 2012 @ 8:30am U.S. Central Standard Time

.

[Maruchan]

so maru, I am the most scummy because i defended kondi, even though kondi is only kind of scummy because apparently correcting someone gives them "town points," or i am scummy because i think the kondi case case is crap even though you just abandoned it yourself.
phil is more scummy than kondi even though you never said anything about phil.
melee is scummy because she also wasn't impressed with the kondi case, and she started talking about wifom, which you think is meta and she hates meta so talking about meta doesn't agree with her meta, which is odd to you even though you just said people need not rely on meta.

is this all correct?

I didn't say malee was scummy did I?

quit putting reads in my mouth.

I didn't say anything about phil because someone else said it nicely.

you're scummy for chainsawing, and saying that making cases out of RVS is bad (when its the only way out of RVS)

DOn't try to assume you know what I'm thinking, you will fail.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

well you said it was weird she was talking about wifom and you grouped both of us together at the top of this page. naturally i assumed you were convicting people by association so she'd go down to. I also never said making cases on rvs was bad, I said that making a case on people saying useless things in rvs is stupid.

[Candy Corn Vampire]

wtf is chainsawing.

[kondi2424]

So TML-Maru so far...

[Candy Corn Vampire]

I like phillammon more than kondi aswell, but CCV moreso than both.

Maru, what's your actual reads instead of hypothetical reads based on flips?

Well, considering my vote was on you. And then it was on CCV, once could assume you were the two scummier of my reads.

Considering I find myself willing to sheep Librarian, and i gave Mhork towniepoints, one could assume I place them in the townier of my reads.

Considering I haven't said anything else about anyone, one could assume they are mostly null.

I find it amusing that you say phil is one of your scummier picks and then totally forget to mention it in the second half of your post.

[Lord Mhork]

@Candy Corn Vampire:
I think Maruchan means this

[Candy Corn Vampire]

kk thank you mhork

UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum

(once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized).

pow. but anyways, I'm attacking you because your reasoning is stupid. I don't know if kondi is scum or town, but i'm not going to vote him under the reasoning that he asked a not relevant question on page one and answered a newbie's question page 2.

[Chimera]

kk thank you mhork

UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum

(once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized).

pow. but anyways, I'm attacking you because your reasoning is stupid. I don't know if kondi is scum or town, but i'm not going to vote him under the reasoning that he asked a not relevant question on page one and answered a newbie's question page 2.

Reading maru's attack against CCV for chainsawing made this quote scream through my head the whole time.

Agreed. How about we dissolve these bandwagons and work from there?

This has been mostly cleared up but the word "no" cannot be stated enough. Even after your correction post. But this has been covered by others...so moving on.

it isn't that fennin is suspicious for pushing for a hypoclaim, it's that he's endorsing an early wagon with his second post and only five pages into the game.

You can also start posting some content now chimera because you haven't been doing it and apparently neither have we.

...and how can one push for a hypoclaim without endorsing a wagon?

And in general to anyone pushing a case on Fennin for that vote...to assume he's pushing for a quicklynch is to assume he is one of the duller tools in the shed. And to assume someone isn't smart is a bad mistake to make. Obviously there can be a lot of WIFOM involved but I see no merit in a case against Fennin for that.

That's all I got for now...it's past one in the morning....need sleep...

[Phillammon]

[quote="In post 120

Gah, *town, *bandwagon, and why do you feel kondi was unconvincing? Apart from the whole slight possible delaying tactic with the request for old roles,

there wasn't really anything legitimate there

. I'm looking at Mhork's stuff again, and tbh, I'd probably have done the same as Kondi there-

requesting the old roles does fairly thoroughly end any speculation as to the previous setup

, even if speculation about the current setup was still rife. Being honest again, any arguments applying to Kondi probably apply moreso to me-

Kondi is right when he says that I was planning on doing a quick role-confirmed-by-my-role chart

, and I honestly thought TML, Kondi and Malee were trying to get things moving too. Apologies for all the double posts,

I'll start proofing at some point soon...

The italics are defenses of kondi, real or soft, that bother me. Especially with him jumping from "OMG kondi Y U so scummy" to town-kondi. This looks rather opportunistic to me. Almost like he was looking for a way to slip away from his kondi scum-read.

Bolded bothers me greatly. Looks like a sneaky scum breadcrumbing a possible power role for later use. Plus, where did kondi say you were going to do that? I don't recall reading it in-thread.

Finally, the red raises about twelve different red flags to me. Stating you aren't proof-reading your posts looks bad, because it seems as though you are trying to make it obvious that you're obviously being honest.[/quote]

Again, MafiaScum, I wasn't done posting.

Agreed. How about we dissolve these bandwagons and work from there?

This post irritates me as well, because it looks like he's trying to go back to square one. Only scum want to go backwards.

I likes Phillammon more than kondi right now.

UNVOTE: kondi2424

VOTE: Phillammon

Well, dang. Post 65 was where he said I was going to do this, and 33 was where I said I would have done it. I guess I'm not really helping my case here, but dissolve was a bad choice of words, and apparently the wrong sentiment entirely. It was meant to be more a "let's have someone jump off until there is further discussion, so a sudden change of votes doesn't lynch straight off". As such, yes, I was defending Kondi. I thought he looked fairly scummy, but I wasn't willing to have someone on L-2 for what was a fairly flimsy accusation. Unfortunately, this appears to have given you an actual accusation on me, so maybe it was thick of me. I was saying he looks town by comparison to some other people who more recently got my suspicions up, again, my word choice wasn't great- I'm meaning, there are several possible scumteams forming up, and Kondi isn't really on any of them, scummy or otherwise. As for the proofing, that was honestly me making a reference to the fact that I'd made two typos in my previous post alone, and I was trying to make a reference to Chimeras joke-clear of me because I was making typos.