Mini 1320--Redwall Mafia: Spirit Lore (The Sun Has Set)

[Junpei]

Wow Korlash, you basically are 100% ignoring my request for evidence of scumhunting, aren't you? You have a massive ego by the way if you ignore every bit of advice I've given. We shouldn't lynch rat because rat has been consistent.

Peregrine asked for a case on Newman when I had JUST asked that same question and received and answer on that page.

Then his next post shows that he didn't even carefully read the case on Newman, that or he massively strawmanned it.

Korlash, you are so full of yourself I can't believe it. You entered the game like someone who knew what he was talking about save for a few inconsistencies, but now you've turned into a massive ball of conformation bias and hypocrisy. Time to rape your brain so that you will shut up and actually be productive, and you're the most egotistical person in this game so you can go take your little rant somewhere else.

1) Give me evidence that you are trying to discern if peregrine is scum or not

2)

All your evidence on Newman is stuff you think would have happened in some parallel universe, if you're not scum bullshitting this case you're an idiot for thinking it's real evidence. I prefer to assume you're scum over an idiot since I more than meet this game's quota for fools and unintellectuals thank you.

Here is a great quote. In this one you are both egotistical, condescending, and inconsistent with your claim that everything should be neatly laid out. Where is the reasons? You didn't go evidence by evidence explaining this is true. How dare you waste time with us.

3) You weren't even considering a peregrine wagon for a large part of the time. You hadn't even read the case until last night! If you were scumhunting then you would have reviewed it in great detail as soon as you replaced in! I want to see you in a game with GreyICE and MoI, you try to play like them but ultimately fail because you don't know what you're doing.

4) I have made case on Peregrine and shown it to you several times; I have said that I don't want to vote pappums, I think your case is awful and I explained why. Learn to keep up, you may have played more mafia than me, but I study my play after each game, I improve much faster than you (oh, and I don't make hypocritical statements).

[iStark]

Initial reads.
UNVOTE:

Junpei, he got better as I read his posts, seems to be the one winning the argument in with korlash

Korlash, he is playing like korlash by trying to look to much into everything. but probably town.

V2v, is showing signs of being town.

quadz08, he made some good few points on last couple of pages. but as a post they look like posted by someone with no clear stance.
Null for now.

Zdenek, Has been up and down but seems like town.

riceballtail, barely saw of her and even if she is making sense my gut is getting scummy vibe from her.

Hiplop, I need to see his meta, right now I seriously wont mind policy lynching him.

PeregrineV & pappums rat, both look scummy for on reason or another.

VOTE: hiplop

[Riceballtail]

As much as I'd agree with more pressure on hiplop, we really can't afford to try and start a new wagon on him within 48 hours to deadline.

Current choices are Pere or Rat.

[PeregrineV]

Catching up today, will post when I reach this post.

[PeregrineV]

Wow, that was fun. :no sarcasm:

@junpei- Wow, I have never seen you tunnel like this. Can you link me to *any* game where you day 1 posts called for the lynch of a single player all day?
Also, since it seems to be lost in your admiration for my scumminess, please give opinions on the other 8 players.

And am I summing up your case correctly in saying that "PeregrineV voted Junpei for bad reasons."? Because if this is it,

Peregrine asked for a case on Newman when I had JUST asked that same question and received and answer on that page.

Then his next post shows that he didn't even carefully read the case on Newman, that or he massively strawmanned it.

then I'll rephrase what I said before.
"I find all of those reasons to be invalid and/or not strong enough reasons to vote for Newman. Not only is someone making assumptions of a player's meta (experience, ability, style) to do it, they are also basing those assumptions on thier own interpretation of SITE META."

And said that way, it makes even less sense to me.

Also, since it seems to be lost in your admiration for my scumminess, please give opinions on the other 8 players.

Off-topic: I have other games to catch up on, but I will come back periodically.

Also, wagon viability is about equal for everyone, so pushing Rat or me as "the choices" for day1 seems disingenuous.

Current unofficial
hiplop (1): iStark
iStark (1): vijay2vasandani
Junpei (2): PeregrineV, hiplop
PeregrineV (2): pappums rat, Junpei
pappums rat (2): Korlash, riceballtail
Korlash (1): quadz08
quadz08 (1): Zdenek

[DarthYoshi]

Day One, Vote Count the Tenth

iStark (1): vijay2vasandani
Junpei (2): PeregrineV, hiplop
PeregrineV (2): pappums rat, Junpei
pappums rat (2): Korlash, riceballtail
Korlash (1): quadz08
quadz08 (1): Zdenek
hiplop (1): iStark

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 5 to no-lynch.

The deadline is currently set for 3:00 pm PDT (GMT-7) on Friday, April 6.

Just as an FYI, I'll be on limited access this weekend for Good Friday/Easter. It won't be a full V/LA--I just may be a bit slower than usual with vote counts, prods, and thread locking/unlocking. Please bear with me. Thanks!

As ever, any questions or concerns, please let me know.

[Junpei]

Peregrine, I don't want to lay out every read I have on every player in this game, I don't view value in it. If you want to know my read on a specific player feel free to ask, but you better have a good reason for asking for the read.

You strawmanned my argument, look in my ISO for my succinct case before you try to pick my reasoning apart.

pedit: MOD: This weekend will be night, won't it? Well, have fun anyway.

Indeed. But for instance, say, a deadline extension was necessary (ie, another replacement), I wanted y'all to know anyways, plus in any case the modscenes may be a bit late. ~DY

[Korlash]

Wow Korlash, you basically are 100% ignoring my request for evidence of scumhunting, aren't you? You have a massive ego by the way if you ignore every bit of advice I've given. We shouldn't lynch rat because rat has been consistent.

I gave you 'evideince of scum hunting' and you returned by demanding I give you an impossible and exaggerated version of 'scum hunting'. I won't play games with you, if you have a serious request I will do my utmost to fulfill it, but I will not play to an obviously insane person's whimsy.

Rat has been consistently scummy, thus, should be lynched.

1) Give me evidence that you are trying to discern if peregrine is scum or not

My 283 is evidence of this. i clearly and unbiasedly go over both yours and Rat's cases on Pear, and do my own independant ISO. I came to a conclusion and made appropriate actions based on that conclusion.

Here is a great quote. In this one you are both egotistical, condescending, and inconsistent with your claim that everything should be neatly laid out. Where is the reasons? You didn't go evidence by evidence explaining this is true. How dare you waste time with us.

Rat used the argument "if something happened" thus he is making a conclusion and pushing a case based on something that never happened, ergo shit he made up. I clearly went over this in the preceding paragraphs to the quote you snipped out of a post. Don't waste my time quoting half my argument and saying I'm missing evidence.

3) You weren't even considering a peregrine wagon for a large part of the time. You hadn't even read the case until last night! If you were scumhunting then you would have reviewed it in great detail as soon as you replaced in! I want to see you in a game with GreyICE and MoI, you try to play like them but ultimately fail because you don't know what you're doing.

I replaced into a game and was able to give relatively detailed reads on nearly every player in this game. I looked into the Pear grin case as soon as I was able too once it was mentioned as a route I should look into. No replacement is superman, and I am no exception. If you want to insult me for replacing into your game and trying my damndest to get caught up, be my quest sir. There are a great many people on this site who would burn you for attacking a replacement like you did here. Me, I'm just done with you.

4) I have made case on Peregrine and shown it to you several times; I have said that I don't want to vote pappums, I think your case is awful and I explained why. Learn to keep up, you may have played more mafia than me, but I study my play after each game, I improve much faster than you (oh, and I don't make hypocritical statements).

I've seen your case and it is lacking. If you disagree with mine, fine, that is your right.

PeregrineV & pappums rat, both look scummy for on reason or another.

Then vote one of them.

@ Pear: What will it take to get you to vote Rat? As much as it would please me to see Jun removed from this game, I find him being scum to be less likely than Rat.

[PeregrineV]

@Kor-Not much right now, tbh.

@Junp- OK

Unvote.
Vote: Papums Rat

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV opportunistically voted me (I had a vote on me, more than his other vote, hiplop had just voted him) and upon further inspection, he had no reason to do so other than 'gut'. The Peregrine I remember doesn't rely completely on gut. Peregrine never expressed gut read, if anything implying a read based on evidence given his past posts not being of gut nature. Peregrine then came up with explanation for the vote from a number of days ago only after explanation was requested by me (by the way, 3 of the 4 posts he cites for finding me suspicious came AFTER he voted me, and all four of them are based on meta when we've only played in one game together). He isn't scumhunting; furthermore he has shown that he isn't reading the thread at all closely, missing many apparent details.

Would this be it?

[Zdenek]

P-Edit: Just because I disagree with someone, doesn't mean they aren't making good points.

Considering that scum can "make good points," I'd probably have to be in agreement with someone's points for me to think they are town.

I think quadz is probably town at this point.

That's cute. Do you think you could say why?

I think Korlash is blathering scum, I still think Quadz is scum, and no other lynch excites me. I'll move my vote to prevent a no lynch, but one of these two would be preferred.

To answer the inevitable question, yes, I think they are mutually bussing.

[Zdenek]

Unvote
Vote Korlash

It's more efficient.

[PeregrineV]

P-Edit: Just because I disagree with someone, doesn't mean they aren't making good points.

Considering that scum can "make good points," I'd probably have to be in agreement with someone's points for me to think they are town.

I think quadz is probably town at this point.

That's cute. Do you think you could say why?

I think Korlash is blathering scum, I still think Quadz is scum, and no other lynch excites me. I'll move my vote to prevent a no lynch, but one of these two would be preferred.

To answer the inevitable question, yes, I think they are mutually bussing.

Do you have anything to support this? Like bv-ghostlin or korlash-quadz (or any combo thereof) connections?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, I don't want to lay out every read I have on every player in this game, I don't view value in it. If you want to know my read on a specific player feel free to ask, but you better have a good reason for asking for the read.

Well, I can't see where you've given them on any other players, so you pick any three you want, pretend like your scumhunting them, and tell me what you think.

[Zdenek]

P-Edit: Just because I disagree with someone, doesn't mean they aren't making good points.

Considering that scum can "make good points," I'd probably have to be in agreement with someone's points for me to think they are town.

I think quadz is probably town at this point.

That's cute. Do you think you could say why?

I think Korlash is blathering scum, I still think Quadz is scum, and no other lynch excites me. I'll move my vote to prevent a no lynch, but one of these two would be preferred.

To answer the inevitable question, yes, I think they are mutually bussing.

Do you have anything to support this? Like bv-ghostlin or korlash-quadz (or any combo thereof) connections?

Well, I think that they independently scummy. I also think that, because of the game size, scum can't afford not to bus because they'll need the town cred in case their partner is lynched. I also think that Korlash's case on Ghostlin is the best of his cases, but he's hasn't voted or pushed for a quadz lynch.

[Korlash]

A quad lynch at this point would be ridiculous... How long are you going to wait to 'move your vote to prevent a no lynch'?

[Junpei]

Peregrine, I don't want to lay out every read I have on every player in this game, I don't view value in it. If you want to know my read on a specific player feel free to ask, but you better have a good reason for asking for the read.

Well, I can't see where you've given them on any other players, so you pick any three you want, pretend like your scumhunting them, and tell me what you think.

Name 3 players, and I'll give you a read on them.

Why aren't you playing like you played in Cyclic Experiment II? Why are you implying use of gut?

pedit: Why is a quad lynch so much harder to achieve than a pappums' lynch?

[Junpei]

Nevermind, read that post wrong; ignore the pedit.

[quadz08]

Hrk. This game is ridiculous; I can't make heads or tails of Korlash, and Junpei is basically the only person contributing regularly.

VOTE: PeregrineV

This is the best wagon of those with more than 1 vote on them. We need to lynch.

If a whole bunch of people want to jump onto Korlash, though, I'll be back in a heartbeat. Just sayin'.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, I don't want to lay out every read I have on every player in this game, I don't view value in it. If you want to know my read on a specific player feel free to ask, but you better have a good reason for asking for the read.

Well, I can't see where you've given them on any other players, so you pick any three you want, pretend like your scumhunting them, and tell me what you think.

Name 3 players, and I'll give you a read on them.

Why aren't you playing like you played in Cyclic Experiment II? Why are you implying use of gut?

pedit: Why is a quad lynch so much harder to achieve than a pappums' lynch?

The post is gone, but I find that a combo works best for me. So now instead of ignoring my gut, I use it to guide my to the eternal "why?"
I look for what made my gut ding me.
At the same time, I look for the normal logic stuff too, such as scumtells, VCAs, how players react/respond to each other.

Internet Stranger tunnels. That's his thing. I've never seen you do it. So if you have those links that will help.

And I pick istark, v2v and RBT.

[PeregrineV]

Korlash – Ridiculous amounts of postings. He’s just as useless and unreadable as hiplop, for exactly the opposite reason. It’s a whole bunch of data, and almost zero information. Not to mention, I don’t understand how he can post a million things, and still not know basic information (yes, in fact, Newman

was

asked to present his meta) that relates directly to his cases / opinions. As I mentioned before, I don’t believe than town-BV would have placed a vote on Newman when he did, due to how weak the reasoning behind that wagon is. Scumread, and anti-town at the very best. Excellent lynch candidate.

Unvote
Vote Korlash

It's more efficient.

So now Korlash joins the 2 vote club alongside Papums, me, and Junpei.
Whats your next move, quadz?

Hrk. This game is ridiculous; I can't make heads or tails of Korlash, and Junpei is basically the only person contributing regularly.

VOTE: PeregrineV

This is the best wagon of those with more than 1 vote on them. We need to lynch.

If a whole bunch of people want to jump onto Korlash, though, I'll be back in a heartbeat. Just sayin'.

[quadz08]

Oh dammit I totally missed that. Thanks, Peregrine.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Korlash

[PeregrineV]

Oh dammit I totally missed that. Thanks, Peregrine.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Korlash

You missed the point....

[Junpei]

Vote Korlash

Newman is a town read; I found his anger genuine, his plight consistent, and he didn't really make an effort to look like he was scumhunting, I think he got defensive tunnel vision which is a town trait. iStark's reads post is pretty bad, from the hiplop vote to the zero serious scum reads, it is reason for concern. So I'm inclined to give the slot a light scum read because Newmans' sample was small, and iStark doesn't have the emotional leeway that Newman had.

2V2 is a town read; but a tentative one. I liked his actions around Newman in a vacuum. However taken in context, it seems like massive tunneling that just escalated the argument for no reason (much like Korlash is doing), and since then has just sat on the sidelines. Now this summary doesn't sound like a town read (especially since I don't like 2V2's diction, it seems unmotivated yet passionate) but it's how other people have treated 2V2 (Who is actually V2V but too late now for that) that makes them a town read.

RBT has been a lot better than the RBT I remember (I was considering submitting a wotc vote for RBT because of their play in an older game but decided to give them another chance), but as I read (his, her?) posts I can't read scum motivation, so I'm content to call RBT town.

KORLASH IS AT L-1 NO ONE HAMMER YET

[Korlash]

*shakes head* I still believe Jun to be town and if me and him together will continue to cause these kinds of problems I can't allow it to continue.

Unvote:, Vote: Korlash

Please either vig, investigate, or lynch Rat. Force V2V to contribute more. And someone keep Jun on his medication, we'll need him eventually.

Peace homies! It might have been short, but I'm still glad I joined this game. LONG LIVE THE MIGHTY BADGER!!! (stupid hares get out of the way)