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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:34 am

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Macrophage (6) - Voidedmafia, Debonair Danny DiPietro, rhinox, hiplop, Lastsurvivor, fishythefish
Debonair Danny DiPeitro (3) - Alicewondering, Macrophage, Sleepless Assassin
Lastsurvivor (2) - nachomamma8, 4nxi3ty
funkybike1 (1) - kortul
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:53 am

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Hey guys, just joined. I'm free most of the day so I'll be able to post thoughts, and maybe some reads in a few hours. I'd appreciate it if you guys could avoid hammering Macrophage before 12 tonight. Wouldn't want to not have posted anything in day 1. That would be sad :( .

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From what I've read so far [page 4ish] I'm slightly suspicious of Lastsurviver I found the way he was interacting with rhinox to be scummy. I'll put my vote on him for now until I'm done reading the thread.

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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:24 am

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Good, we finally have a replacement for funky. Welcome, DCLXVI.

My opinion on Alice is still the same.
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:01 pm

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Ugh. It looks like I won't be able to get around this. I'm just a VT. I just couldn't see myself not getting lynched. What I ask is, don't just use this as an excuse to lynch me and don't write me off as scum because of my initial claim. I hope you can think about my actions and see that they come from town.

Still, I understand that I am likely to be lynched now, but if I am going to be here's what I want to happen.

I ask that everyone on my wagon, including whoever hammers, provides a short summary of their own thoughts on why I'm scum. A response to my defence of Malee/Theo would also be good.

Fishy: Did you always think a non-VT claim was unacceptable or did it take you a while to decide?

Hiplop: What did you mean? I'm pretty sure smart town is out the window now though.

LS: I don't which reads he wants explained, and I don't want to go back and do them all. Do you agree with Rhinox that it's something which should be used against me?

It's something that I tend to naturally do as town and from what I've seen, town do tend to do it.

Yes they can, but aren't they less likely to? I'm really sick of this whole "but scum can do that too!" attack that you, fishy and rhinox have been using. Can you actually consider things properly?

I don't know why he did it, but I know he was town. Looks like you can't answer my question though.

Kortul: What do you think of Debonair & LS?

My thoughts at the moment are that I'm pretty sure that there is scum on my wagon. I think that what I've pointed out about Malee/theo should make this slot pretty obviously not-scum (if not obviously town) and as I've mentioned, the whole "scum can do that too!" reasoning that's been used to sustain the wagon is horrible. This is why I want the whole reasoning thing from people on my wagon.

Voided and hiplop are the probable town on my wagon.

Other than that, I'm not really sure. There are a quite a few things I've found very townish about Fishy throughout, like his early play, and asking to be put at the top of my will, but his continued presence on my wagon and the unvotes which seem like scum trying to look they're considering things when he's actually not changing his opinion at all, make me think he's scum.

LastSurvivor's recent posts have made me question my townread on him as well. Debonair I still think is scum. Rhinox I'm thinking about.

I'm quite confident in Sleepless, 4nxiety and Alice being town, so please don't lynch them unless you have really good reason too.
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:06 pm

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Hey guys, I've through post 330ish, right now I'm feeling Macrophage is not that good of a lynch, I'll have to go through some iso's once I'm done reading the thread but I think there may be better options.

Also, I like his suggestion of having every who is voting for him give a short summery of why they are voting.
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:09 pm

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Macrophage wrote:
The main things making me think Voided is scum are recent.

First, the "*ignores Macrophage's vote*" appears like scum concerned with having the negative attitude required (apparently) for a scumread, but it seems really unnecessary for town. Plus, the amendment in 207 is too self-conscious. The comment that my wagon gets better and better strikes me as scummy too, but I don't really know how to explain it.

Macrophage wrote:Voided: I actually have a townread on LS.
And, That's the reaction I would expect from scum, it shows that you have something to hide, that you're worried that a vote on you is serious. I would expect town's reaction to the vote to be one of indifference, or at least asking the reason for it since it would likely not be serious from their PoV.

Can people vote Voided please?


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Voided-> Pretty much what I've already said. I would most like to lynch him today.


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Voided and hiplop are the probable town on my wagon.

Fuck the what?

Lynch this scummy ass pronto.
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:55 pm

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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:18 pm

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Macro wrote:Yes they can, but aren't they less likely to? I'm really sick of this whole "but scum can do that too!" attack that you, fishy and rhinox have been using. Can you actually consider things properly?


Erm, no not really@first statement. We've gotta consider that Malee is rather inexperienced. I don't think she's ever finished a game. She's just as likely to make a mistake as either alignment TBH.

I don't know why he did it, but I know he was town. Looks like you can't answer my question though.


Oh, I thought I already did answer your question. I can see that coming from scum fairly easily.

Why are you even bothering to defend your predecessors anyway?

Also, the ad hom attacks really aren't helping you out in any regard.
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:24 pm

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Sleepless Assassin wrote:4n, nacho, alice, and Rhinox. Please rank bike, alice, and moan in scumminess (alice, you obviously don't have to include yourself in your list)

Useless.

Lastsurvivor wrote:Lovely.

Just in case it isn't clear to everyone: We're lynching either funky or theo today. If you aren't on either of their wagons, stop lollygagging and hop on.

I'd rather you hop on funky, but you know.

Pretty sure almost everyone is on either one wagon or another at this point, save Nacho and the two wagoned individuals themselves. I could be wrong though.

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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:25 pm

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So, initial thoughts after reading through the thread in 3 straight hours.


Reads from first impressions*

Leaning Townish:

Rhinox
Fishythefish
hiplop
4nxi3ty

Not sure about right now:

nachomamma
Macrophage
theomoaner Malee

Kortul
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Alicewondering

Leaning scum:

Lastsurviver
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Debonair Danny DiPietro

*Disclaimer, I still have to do iso's so this is subject to change. Just trying to give my initial impression of things.


Some other thoughts, mostly about the macro wagon.

-I think hiplop vs. Rhinox is town v. town.

-I agree that it is difficult to get a read on a replacement player. It is very easy to come in on a 20+ page game and say a lot of non-risky stuff.

-I'm not sold on the Macrophage lynch. Yes the player(s) he replaced may have acted scummy. But so far he has been fairly town from what I've read [more on that later]. I think it is more likely that he replaced a bad/inexperienced towny than that he is scum. But yeah it will be hard to find out.

-One thing that makes me hesitant about calling macro scum because the players he replaced didn't play well is that if I had been another player in the game, I would have definitely found funkybike's actions scummy...yet I now know he wasn't scum... I other words, I'm open to the possibility that the people macro replaced just sucked, as opposed to being scum.

-I'd like to see a concise summery of the case against macro.

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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:38 pm

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Macro: You've gone on and on about wanting me dead, and then suddenly completely reverse your read on me, pretty much the same as theo did except scum to town instead of town to scum. And as far as I can tell, there's no reasoning why you did that switch.

2ndly, witholding a claim like that isn't pro-town at all, and the AtE doesn't help you.

DCL: Explain to me how you know he wasn't scum. That line screams that you have some sort of inside info about him, to be honest.
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:38 pm

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LS wrote:Honest question: Do you really think I haven't been providing content since you've been gone? Your argument's irrelevant ATM.

Let's discover that answer for ourselves, shall we?

LS wrote:@Alice: Hey, Alice, you interacted with your former primary scum read! It only took...me prodding you. Nice. Alice, why didn't you interact with someone who you said was your primary scum read multiple times until now?

Wait, so now you like Hiplop? Seriously, two people call you out on your vote (Nacho and I) and you back off. At least try to show some conviction with your vote, jeez. It doesn't seem like you have any fake scum reads now, either, Alice.

Also, not replying to any of my argument is nice. "Instead of even looking like I'm defending myself, I'm just going to say 'lol.'" Good strategy. But I'm not going away just because you know how to laugh out loud.

This is disgustingly hypocritical. For one, you're falling into the same fallacy you called anxiety out for. And two, Alice laughed off your case. Which is coincidentally the same reaction you had to mine.

I can get into your case itself if you'd like, but while it was long, it was terrible. Then you bitch at her for ignoring your case, follow up once, and... drop it. Then, you unvote her for her points on DDD? Which have been brought up multiple times before?
LS wrote:@alice: As much as I agree with your points on DDD (hence why I was doubting my read and switched my vote), you're not going to get enough momentum for a lynch before deadline. So you should totally vote funky too.

No. You got cold feet on an alice lynch, and so you fall back on an old funkybike case.

LS wrote:I find the fact that I'm the focus of Macro's first catch up post unsettling. I'm just wondering if it's because I had the most posts at the time and he decided to latch on to every word I said. He accuses a lot of my cases of being overblown, but they're early game cases. They're going to be based on weak things if they're two pages in. And why did he flip flop after all that attention he put on me? I don't think I've acted any more townie since the game started.

In general, I just find that the catch up post starts to say less and less. And like someone already said, he wants to vote for someone that isn't mentioned at all in the post.

I'm fine with a macro lynch.

And now, the macrophage vote. He attacks you, you talk about how townie you've been and how he's scum for doubting your townie self. And then you criticize his catchup post for "saying less and less"? Tell me, have you ever done a catchup post before?
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:39 pm

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Voidedmafia wrote:Macro: You've gone on and on about wanting me dead, and then suddenly completely reverse your read on me, pretty much the same as theo did except scum to town instead of town to scum. And as far as I can tell, there's no reasoning why you did that switch.

2ndly, witholding a claim like that isn't pro-town at all, and the AtE doesn't help you.

DCL: Explain to me how you know he wasn't scum. That line screams that you have some sort of inside info about him, to be honest.

of course he has inside info.
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:42 pm

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Voidedmafia wrote:DCL: Explain to me how you know
he
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Who is the
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him
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If it is funky, well yeah I know funky's role, I have it.

I don't think I have made any claim to know macro's role, my view is quite the opposite, I'm not sure what his role is am going to be spending a bit of the evening looking into it.
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:42 pm

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Macrophage:
Macrophage wrote:Ugh. It looks like I won't be able to get around this. I'm just a VT. I just couldn't see myself not getting lynched. What I ask is, don't just use this as an excuse to lynch me and don't write me off as scum because of my initial claim. I hope you can think about my actions and see that they come from town.

After an initial not-VT claim, claims VT.
Why on earth do you think Macrophage-scum would do this? He knows that, chances are, he will die if he claims VT. So, if he was scum, then why not go through with the not-VT claim and say doctor, or cop?
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:43 pm

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DC wrote:-One thing that makes me hesitant about calling macro scum because the players he replaced didn't play well is that if I had been another player in the game, I would have definitely found funkybike's actions scummy...yet I now know he wasn't scum... I other words, I'm open to the possibility that the people macro replaced just sucked, as opposed to being scum.

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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:57 pm

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Kort, why the unvote of bike's slot?

Nacho, it's useless because it's outdated. Those were the three wagons when I posted it.

Also, macro is town. I'm sold now.
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:06 pm

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Lastsurvivor wrote:Erm, no not really@first statement. We've gotta consider that Malee is rather inexperienced. I don't think she's ever finished a game. She's just as likely to make a mistake as either alignment TBH.

Oh, I thought I already did answer your question. I can see that coming from scum fairly easily.

Why are you even bothering to defend your predecessors anyway?

Also, the ad hom attacks really aren't helping you out in any regard.


That's not an answer to my question.

So I don't get lynched. I wouldn't bother otherwise.

What ad hom attacks?

Voidedmafia wrote:Macro: You've gone on and on about wanting me dead, and then suddenly completely reverse your read on me, pretty much the same as theo did except scum to town instead of town to scum. And as far as I can tell, there's no reasoning why you did that switch.

2ndly, witholding a claim like that isn't pro-town at all, and the AtE doesn't help you.

DCL: Explain to me how you know he wasn't scum. That line screams that you have some sort of inside info about him, to be honest.


You're not a strong townread if that makes you feel any better, but out of those on my wagon, I feel you and hiplop are the more genuine. Obviously there must be town on my wagon and I can more easily see you two on there as townies than the others. Also, I was thinking before that your negative attitude to me was an indication of you being scum and trying to appear like a townie that thinks I'm scum, but your posts to me about last wills, and other stuff I think, have changed my mind about this.
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:07 pm

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Sleepless Assassin wrote:Kort, why the unvote of bike's slot?

Nacho, it's useless because it's outdated. Those were the three wagons when I posted it.

Also, macro is town. I'm sold now.

Okay. What do you think of LS?
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:08 pm

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Same goes to you, Macro.
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:11 pm

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Nachomamma8 wrote:This is disgustingly hypocritical. For one, you're falling into the same fallacy you called anxiety out for. And two, Alice laughed off your case. Which is coincidentally the same reaction you had to mine.


FTR, I don't think 4n is scummy for using correlation does not imply causation. It's just bad case making. So you've proven that my Alice case was bad, which...I've already acknowledged.

Yeah, I laughed off your case. I never said you didn't have a right to get mad at me for it, did I? Hell, I expected you to get mad about it. Thus, I think I have the right to get mad at Alice for blowing off mine.

I don't think I've been hypocritical.

Nachomamma8 wrote:I can get into your case itself if you'd like, but while it was long, it was terrible.


You're right, the case was pretty bad. I realized that and unvoted. Perhaps you should do that same.

Then you bitch at her for ignoring your case, follow up once, and... drop it. Then, you unvote her for her points on DDD? Which have been brought up multiple times before?


I unvoted her because I thought over it all again and realized she was probably town. DDD didn't have anything to do with it and I'm not sure where you're getting that from. The post you quoted about DDD had nothing to do with why I unvoted her. I was just trying to get Alice to unvote DDD and vote Funky.

And now, the macrophage vote. He attacks you, you talk about how townie you've been and how he's scum for doubting your townie self. And then you criticize his catchup post for "saying less and less"? Tell me, have you ever done a catchup post before?


Yeah, typically I just don't say a lot throughout the entire catch up post. But I'm always consistent.

Anyway, you picked out a few of my posts, but your post doesn't even answer my question. Am I or am I not providing content?
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:11 pm

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This game...

Macrophage wrote:What did you think my vote was?

Why are you using unexplained reads against me when you could easily ask for explanations?

Which question did you ask?


I had no idea what your vote was. I'd have been right there calling you out for voting voided after just saying you haven't read the thread yet, except others were already going on about it.


I'm not using unexplained reads
against
you. I was rebuking 4nx's statement that your enterance to the game was obv-town. It wasn't. You said a lot of stuff, it could come from town, or it could come from scum, but its not clearly one or the other. As for why not ask you to explain your reads, well you've already been ignoring just about everything I've been saying since you replaced in, expect for things you can use to mudsling. I'd rather lynch you than try to draw out answers at this point.


question:
Rhinox wrote:Mac, you've said a bunch of stuff, but I don't see it as anything scum couldn't have put together after replacing into your position. Do you see anything scummy about voided/vincent other than stuff that happened on the last page? I noticed through all your big catchup posts, you didn't address vincent/voided at all other than this page stuff.


Also, I'd have liked you to address this post by me, which you ignored before just restating the accusation in 430:
Rhinox wrote:Which reminds me to address:
Macrophage wrote:I'm not liking Rhinox's change of vote from hiplop after fishy says they are town v town. I could see him as scum thinking "Well I don't need to be involved in that anymore." Still, I'm really waiting for the chance to ISO him before changing my townread.

That wasn't really the case at all, so you probably didn't read closely. I still don't like hiplop, but after stating my case, then restating it, then asking others to restate my case so I'm convinced they understand what I'm saying - if after all that the majority of the players I feel are more likely town are telling me to give it up and start considering other options, then its no longer productive to keep focused on hiplop. I have to admit to myself that maybe my case isn't as strong as I thought.





Nachomamma8 wrote:Macrophage:
Macrophage wrote:Ugh. It looks like I won't be able to get around this. I'm just a VT. I just couldn't see myself not getting lynched. What I ask is, don't just use this as an excuse to lynch me and don't write me off as scum because of my initial claim. I hope you can think about my actions and see that they come from town.

After an initial not-VT claim, claims VT.
Why on earth do you think Macrophage-scum would do this? He knows that, chances are, he will die if he claims VT. So, if he was scum, then why not go through with the not-VT claim and say doctor, or cop?

Maybe he realized he fucked up his fake claim by trying to slow role it, and realized we'd be unlikely to believe any claim at this point?

(thats just an attempt at a rationalization, not what I think happened)

gah idk... actually I could sheep nacho at this point (he seems to have a clearer/better read of the game at this point than I do at this point, and what he's saying makes a lot of sense to me), or swing for a DDD lynch. I doubt I'll get a much clearer view of the game at this point without additional information from a lynch.
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:18 pm

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LS wrote:Yeah, I laughed off your case. I never said you didn't have a right to get mad at me for it, did I? Hell, I expected you to get mad about it. Thus, I think I have the right to get mad at Alice for blowing off mine.

This doesn't make sense. Why did you just laugh off the case, then?

LS wrote: DDD didn't have anything to do with it and I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

LS wrote:@alice: As much as I agree with your points on DDD (hence why I was doubting my read and switched my vote), you're not going to get enough momentum for a lynch before deadline. So you should totally vote funky too.

"As much as I agree with your points on DDD
(HENCE WHY I WAS DOUBTING MY READ AND SWITCHED MY VOTE)
..."
You're not sure where I'm getting that from? You said, blatantly, that the reason you doubted your read and switched your vote was because of Alice's points on DDD. Not because you realized the case was bad. But because of Alice's points on DDD. And now you said that had nothing to do with it?

LS wrote:Yeah, typically I just don't say a lot throughout the entire catch up post. But I'm always consistent.

Generally, people start out strong and lose stamina over time. Like writing a paper or doing homework.

LS wrote:Anyway, you picked out a few of my posts, but your post doesn't even answer my question. Am I or am I not providing content?

No you are not. You are still doing nothing.
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:23 pm

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light macro on fire.

No longer smart town, suddenly buffoon scum
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:31 pm

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hiplop wrote:i think I see what Macro is getting at.

He's either scum or very fucking smart town, I'm not sure which though :\

hiplop wrote:light macro on fire.

No longer smart town, suddenly buffoon scum


Just wondering, what has made him go from smart town to buffoon scum?
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