TM2012: Scummies 2011.5 - Let the credits roll!

[hitogoroshi]

Well, here's the thing. I'm in group 1C with 3 members, you mentioned a 4-0 vote, and nobody spoke up as not being a judge. So I'm thinking that everyone is a judge. There are 3 groups of 3 and 1 group of 4. I don't think voicing this information hurts the town because I'm sure that scum already know it (since they would be in the judging groups as well).

But to be sure, you, me, & MagnaofIllusion are representatives so far. Is there anything else that wants to speak up as a fourth rep to confirm my theory?

No, I made up 4-0 randomly just to express the point. My group is 5 if we're claiming numbers. It's likely 5,5,3.

Kublai, do you think giving false reads "from your teammates" as scum is any easier than giving false reads "from yourself" as scum?

If Ajax flips scum, we lynch Gaoth tomorrow, no questions no compromise.

Also, top of page. B)

[theamatuer]

Theam:

What do you mean by me being biased? (Hito, I'm guessing?) I have buddied in the past as town and am probably less likely to do it as scum.

Page 1. It feels like you're friends or something, and being friends=inclined to think the others town.
Also it feels like Quilford buddies you more than you him, hence why I'm voting him.

Thea - 88 what the heck is this exactly?

I think a scum's buddying a town for towncred from the town and a possible mislynch if the scum flips.

They seem to be buddying each other quite obviously. This, I believe, is because exactly one of the two is scum: the scum wants the defense from the town, and it'll lead to incriminating evidence once the scum flips

I absolutely dislike setting up lynches on the prosect of Town flips.

Tell me TheAm – where did this game rank on your personal request list and do you like Town or Scum better?

It was fifth, If I remember correctly. Can't check right now.
I like playing as Scum, but I'm not very good at it.
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Vote: BBmolla

He makes shit excuses as scum. He has shit excuses here. Also, post 97 is horrible

[BBmolla]

Vote: BBmolla He makes shit excuses as scum. He has shit excuses here. Also,

post 97 is horrible

Explain please.

Reading.

[Kublai Khan]

No, I made up 4-0 randomly just to express the point. My group is 5 if we're claiming numbers. It's likely 5,5,3.

Ah okay. That makes more sense. The thought of a even-numbered group seems a little off. Okay. Let's wait for MagnaofIllusion.

Kublai, do you think giving false reads "from your teammates" as scum is any easier than giving false reads "from yourself" as scum?

It might be a little easier. Especially if you're not getting into specifics. Plus you've got the bonus of either having to not back up the read since it's "someone else's" or have that someone else help you justify it since they are trying to help you win as scum.

Game reads:

BBmolla - Has one micro-read. Getting non-town vibes from him.

Captain Ajax - His hitogoroshi vote was horrible. Both times. Overall though, he's not setting off any alarms.

DeasVail - I'm liking everything he's written. Town-vibes for sure.

Gaoth - One post and there's a wagon? Feels opportunistic as fuck. Null read, for what it's worth.

hitogoroshi - I wish I had played with hitogoroshi previous because something is bothering me, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Town read though.

MagnaofIllusion - Despite the flare-up. I've got a town read on him.

Quilford - Scum.

T-Bone - Got scummy-vibe. Set-up discussion isn't null and the Goeth vote was lame. I'll get a better read when he posts more.

The Fonz - First time I've played with The Fonz and I have to say I'm confused. He seems to be oscillating between brilliant insightful analysis and just plain dumb thoughts. Not sure how to classify him yet.

theamatuer - has yet to post anything pro-town.

xRECKONERx - Aw man, he scum slipped in Post 96.

Zar - The Goath-vote and explanation feels opportunistic as hell.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 1, Votecount 6

Captain Ajax (4) - MagnaofIllusion, hitogoroshi, Quilford, DeasVail

theamatuer (2) - Kublai Khan, The Fonz

Gaoth (4) - Zar, T-Bone, BBmolla, xRECKONERx

hitogoroshi (1) - Captain Ajax
BBmolla (1) - theamatuer

Not voting

(1) : Gaoth

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:

21st of May at 11:50pm (EDT)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-05-21 23:50:00)

Countdown to the end of First Half Judging

: (expired on 2012-05-13 23:50:00)

[BBmolla]

MoI I think your Fonz meta seems to be stretching a bit. Link maybe?

Don't like MoI calling me town, then not mentioning a single one of my posts or giving reasoning for me being seen as town. You think Ajax was pandering to me? This is pandering at its finest.

^This shit is sexy.

Do people honestly think Quil is scum, he's so town it hurts. Ajax looks awful through their bickering.

theamatuer and Gaoth need to get into this game already.

Uh, there are kind of more important things going on with you than for you to focus on lurkers buddy.

This Gaoth lurker-wagon is far too easy.

I hate "too easy" so much. All scum has to do is all bus one team mate and bam, a wagon seems too easy. It's garbage and means nothing.

Also wants BBMolla dead on principle since he’s “an unreadable slug”.

Not unreadable, just easily misreadable. If I recall the last game I played with LLD(Warlocks and Werewolves I believe) I was scum and lurked and let town, including LLD, bitch amongst themselves. It was a grand old time.

MoI are you actually getting anything out of your argument with Fonz other than proving you're right?

Fonz needs to explain his townread on Ajax, this wall to wall garbage blows and is about as interesting as watching two panda bear's eat bamboo.
Scratch that, I'd rather watch Panda bears, they're adorable.(<-Call me scum for filler asshats, I dare you.)

Um.. Who cares? I mean, all due respect to the members of your group (seriously, I respect each one), but you are not confirmed town and therefore not a reliable liaison for their information/thoughts.

First, why should your teammates thoughts hold any water in this game at all? If you are scum, they will try to help you win as scum and will tell you anything to help you achieve your win condition. Or not. You could simply be making up their opinions and abusing their reputations in lieu of making your own case.

Second, I'm alive in 2 large (non-Team Mafia) games and I work at two jobs and I have a young family. This game is only 3 fucking days old and I'm accused of being "lurking scum" for posting once every day in a game that I haven't completely wrapped my head around? Are you shitting serious?

So again, all due respect to your group, but they can go fuck themselves because they are not only wrong, they are stupidly wrong. And that's the last word on the subject because I'm not going to waste my time arguing with what is the mafia equivalent of voices you're hearing in your head.

Holy fuck
Dat scum reaction

"KK is scum"
"YOUR PARTNERS ARE POOPY FACES!"

Intend to vote Ajax btw, gonna make sure I don't accidental hammer.

It is becoming quite clear who is town and who is scum(meaning either mafia or anti town morons)

Molla's vote hop into Gaoth, OTOH, was a bit quick to and comes right after being questioned about keeping his vote on quilford.

DOes this accuaLly meAN anything. Like, are you calling me scummy? And if so, why are you calling the guy I hop onto scum in the rest of the post?

k

vote gaoth

Why gaoth over Ajax, did I miss something

I do agree with Quil here in regards to MoI. Zar not so much.

Just for clarification: is this because of anything scummy about DV, or is it just because you think Quilford is townish?

Latter. And a lack of townishness from DV.

Players reads coming up in next post.

Why bother, why should we give two shits about your reads? If you flip town, who gives a fuck? Does that make them more important?
(Do you get the joke?)

I think a scum's buddying a town for towncred from the town and a possible mislynch if the scum flips.

Why the fuck
Would you even think this
In less than seven pages
I don't even

Also where did I make shit excuses, and where is the town meta that suggests I don't make shit excuses as town? For that matter where is the scum meta for that?

KK's reads are so awful.

BBmolla - Has one micro-read. Getting non-town vibes from him.

Care to elaborate? I can spew bullshit too if you'd like.

KK says stupid things. They're really dumb. Getting non-town vibes from him.
^Great read right?

Captain Ajax - His hitogoroshi vote was horrible. Both times. Overall though, he's not setting off any alarms.

"He did something scummy. But he's not doing anything scummy."
SERIOUSLY THE FUCK

DeasVail - I'm liking everything he's written. Town-vibes for sure.

Elaborate I don't see it.

Gaoth - One post and there's a wagon? Feels opportunistic as fuck. Null read, for what it's worth.

KK this is how I fucking won Secret Society Mafia. Every time people wanted to lynch me, they'd get "OH NO HE'S JUST A LURKER STOP TRYING TO LURKER LYNCH LET'S LYNCH THIS SCUMMY TOWN PLAYER INSTEAD."
I made it to endgame.
You don't fucking let lurkers alone. They will bite you in the ass. You nip them in the butt ASAP. People are too god damned scared of lynching lurkers and it's terrible.

hitogoroshi - I wish I had played with hitogoroshi previous because something is bothering me, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Town read though.

"SOMETHING TELLS ME HE IS SCUMMY BUT HE'S TOWN"
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Quilford - Scum.

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xRECKONERx - Aw man, he scum slipped in Post 96.

THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY

WHAT THE FUCK KK

WHAT THE FUCK

There is no god damned way you expected not to get shit for those reads.

Like holy shit.

UNVOTE:
*Vote for Ajax was here*

KK is a fabulous vote too.

@Faramod: Any way you could add a "X to lynch"? I know it sounds dumb, but I don't want any accidental hammers from derp players not realizing how many it takes to lynch. I personally thought the bold meant Ajax was at L-1.

P-Edit: I'm rereading the rules, I want to make sure there isn't some wierd "It only takes five players to lynch" mechanic that I am unaware of. Will vote when done.

Sorry, our mistake. It takes seven players to lynch with thirteen players alive. I'm editing the votecounts accordingly.

[BBmolla]

A5) Be civil and treat other players with respect--attack the case, not the person. Mafia is a heated game, but I will interfere if anyone resorts to excessive insults, personal attacks, and bullying.

^If you think I'm going to far with the cursing and insults please let me know, it's all in game I don't mean anything personal.

B3) A lynch will occur when 50%+1 of the votes are cast for the same player. When this has happened, any subsequent votes and unvotes will not be counted, and the game will enter twilight.

VOTE: Ajax

As a note, I absolutely adore this slow pace, for some reason games seem to go fast as hell but this one is slow and let's me evaluate everything without feeling stressed.

[BBmolla]

^And yes that's filler, with the post above it I think I deserve a post dedicated to filler, so suck my bawls if you complain about it.

If you couldn't tell I have a thing against people who use filler as a scumtell when I actually scumhunt and it gets ignored.

[BBmolla]

Scumread on Ajax due to interactions with Quilford and others.

[Kublai Khan]

@BBmolla - re-write your post succinctly and with a point. Because it's just abstract goop at the moment.

[BBmolla]

^Okay

You're scum.

[hitogoroshi]

Hey BBmolla, what are your thoughts on this scumteam: Ajax, Gaoth, KK. In that order because my Gaoth scum read is based on him being Ajax's scumbuddy specifically.

That's where my heart is at the moment. You took down KK 153 pretty well although I'd add in skepticism that while Quilford is apparently "scum." and that Reck "scumslipped" his vote is still on theam? Even though "has yet to post anything pro-town" also applies to Gaoth, and that theam ISO 2 voted for Quilford, which is surely pro town if Quilford is "scum."

[Kublai Khan]

^Okay

You're scum.

So you don't want me to respond to anything? You're just throwing mud?

[BBmolla]

^Okay

You're scum.

So you don't want me to respond to anything? You're just throwing mud?

Are you fucking kidding me?

KK your reads are the same as me doing this.

Player 1 - Well he said some scummy stuff. Town.
Player 2 - Scum.
Player 3 - He did some townish things but he might be scum.
Player 4 - This guy is so obv scum for one statement.
Player 5 - He's lurking, let him be.
Player 6 - I don't like his style it's super annoying.

NONE OF THIS SHIT MAKES SENSE

YOUR READS MAKE NO SENSE

Provide backup for the reads I yelled at you for. Namely Scum-Quilford.

@Hito: While it seems waaaaaay to obvious, I definitely think at least one or two of them are scum. If one is town it's Gaoth.

[BBmolla]

I mean it's not like I didn't address anything about you in my wall, did you read any of the shit regarding you?

[Kublai Khan]

BBmolla - Has one micro-read. Getting non-town vibes from him.

Care to elaborate? I can spew bullshit too if you'd like.

BBmolla's post history up to the point of Kublai Khan's read on him:

0 - Joke rvs vote
1 - sarcasm
2 - clarification(?)
3 - fluff
4 - ACTUAL CONTENT... sort of... (empty question, empty question, empty speculation, random thought, !?! A micro-sorta read on Gaoth!, sucking up to xRECKONERx
5 - votes for Goath (not that Goath posted any new content, it was because he was goaded)
6 - asks for explanation

I post my read that BBmolla hasn't posted anything useful except for a read on Goath. BBmolla says I'm "spewing bullshit".

What reads do you want clarification on? just Quilford? Others?

I never said "leave Gaoth be". I just thought it was scummy that despite everything that was going on, you're hyper-tunneling on a guy who has one post and is being prodded. It's an easy way not to stick your neck out.

P.

[BBmolla]

Where are the non-town vibes?

I never said "leave Gaoth be". I just thought it was scummy that despite everything that was going on,

you're hyper-tunneling

on a guy who has one post and is being prodded. It's an easy way not to stick your neck out.

Stop strawmanning me.

[BBmolla]

Explain DV townvibes.

Explain how nothing else Reck has said has had ANY effect on you.

[BBmolla]

Also I will admit that I may have strawmanned you a bit on the Gaoth thing.

Least were even.

[BBmolla]

How has my post affected your read on me?

[Kublai Khan]

@BBmolla - Re: Quilford - I posted an observation and question to him in Post 131, he posted twice since then and didn't answer it. I figure calling him scum would get his attention. I didn't really expect it to attract your attention so strongly.

P.Edit - "Non-town vibes" mean I've seen nothing to make me think "Oh, that person's town and he/she if off my lynch list for Day 1." Nothing more, nothing less.

And I'm not straw-manning. Tell me a read you posted on someone prior to 152.

P.Edit (2) - I have the same reads as DeasVail. Nothing about his play suggests a duplicitous nature.

I want to read xRECKONERx's reply first. Maybe there's more to it, maybe there isn't.

Listen, I'm not one of those pompous windbags who thinks that they can uncover whole scumteams on Day 1. I hunt scummy individuals, then if they flip scum, I go from there and make connections and lynch more scum. Your freak-out of "B-B-B-B-B-BUT YOUR SCUMREADS MAKE NO SENASE! HERE'S SOME SARCASM!" means that you're probably one of those idiots who think that they are the next Babe Ruth and are usually wrong.

P.Edit (3-you fucking asshole let me post) - It read like an honest freak out. You went up in standing.

[hitogoroshi]

P.Edit (2) - I have the same reads as DeasVail.

Erm, DeasVail is voting for Captain Ajax, has Quilford as a tentative town read, and hasn't said anything on theam...

@BBmolla - Re: Quilford - I posted an observation and question to him in Post 131, he posted twice since then and didn't answer it. I figure calling him scum would get his attention. I didn't really expect it to attract your attention so strongly.

First, 131 is one of Captain Ajax's posts. What's the post you meant to link to? And second...what the fuck? Are you seriously saying you would flat out call someone scum just to "get their attention" if you don't actually think they're scum?

[BBmolla]

One post with a vote is not "hyper tunneling."

So "Non-town vibes" is equivalent to "Null" but with a worse connotation?

Do you actually think Quilford is scum then?

Fair enough on DV. I don't think agreeing with reads is equivalent to town vibes though.

You just pretty much admitted the Quil read was a reaction test, I highly doubt you'll get shit from Reck. Just give honest reads please, enough bullshit.

Your reads wording didn't make any sense bro.

[The Fonz]

My band's playing a show tonight, will likely not get on until it's done.

[Quilford]

Reck, MoI's town. And I'm pretty sure that's just Zar's style.

Instead of feeling around for scum based on these vague impressions of their posts, look at #126 (second post of this page) and then review the case against Ajax and how he's responded.

And Gaoth is a terrible vote. I can't believe there's a four-man wagon on him for his one post.

I generally dislike the way you play mafia.

"Reck, ignore your own thoughts about MoI and listen to my reasonless assumptions. And let me defend Zar's scummy play with LOLMETA. Ignore your own thoughts about the game and instead focus on the person I've been tunneling on the entire game & refusing to give anyone else a second glance. Oh and your vote is bad because catching scum (Gaoth) in one post is ludicrous even though that's pretty much what I did at the start of the game with Ajax."

Don't go full retard on me, please.

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I just lost a series of highly important chess games fairly easily, so I'm running on empty right now. Expect a longer response to Reck's silliness later and apparently Kublai Khan is up in arms about something so I'll deal with that then too.