Experimental Role Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Majiffy]

No. FakeGod flipped 'Aegis faction'. Vi flipped Third Party.

Point is, we're still looking at confirmed 3+ parties.

Is a mental illness that makes you think you are schizophrenic a thing?

Yes but I can't remember the name of it. Some kind of psychosis.

if they were town they would have tried to figure out the alignment of the VOICE in their head, since IaI is a fucking GOOD vigshot.

not ignored it.

Alright I'm done beating around the bush

1) Chess, I'm also a voice in the head. And my head also killed Pere.

Except I don't have a suicide option

. This is why I don't believe your claim.
2) From my understanding, our whispers are calculated as a % chance of killing the target. I don't believe our head actually GETS a PM saying who to kill from their voice. We need to work together to try to increase our percentage.

Well, my role may or may not go to the person I sent it to. It also may happen even if I elect not to send in a choice. So yeah. I get told my final target, though.

This sounds more accurate to the understanding of my role.

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Majiffy is an asshole. Got it. Did you ever complete your catch up Majiffy? You had caught up to page 13 and then were going to read up over night...but I haven't seen promised catch up. If you aren't, that's fine, I'm just interested in seeing if your reads from the first 12 pages change any. And feel free to lay a vote down if you suspect anyone.

Yeah I'm just busy with finals atm so I don't have the time to invest that I'd like to. Last finals are today, though, so I can get back to the catching up tomorrow.

I'm not happy with the pidgey/pappums situation at the moment, especially since he was first hinting at being cop with a guilty, then he threw out some shit about potentially being roleblocked by pidgey which is pure speculation and thus not any damning evidence whatsoever. I'm not sure if that's just dumbcop play, scum slip, or what... But if it IS dumbcop, I think at least one scum has already hopped the wagon.

That statement there says the following – until we have confirmation that this is indeed Multiball (which means two distinct separate Mafia factions) that FakeGod’s push on Pine means he’s very unlikely to be a FakeGod partner. Especially given the timing and context that case from FakeGod came in.

Well derp does qualify your response well. I’m asking you to name of PLAYERS who you think are scum if this is a single Mafia faction game. Do you not understand that?

1) Non-town killing roles are scum as far as I'm concerned. Why do you see it differently? Their win conditions directly rival that of town's.
2) I haven't finished catching up, so I don't have solid reads yet. I'm very suspicious of this pidgey wagon, though, and how quickly people are hopping on without really questioning it.

[dramonic]

Majiffy, pidgey is saying Pappums cant have a result on him, not the opposite. Pappums is asking why, he isn`t speculating...

[pidgey]

Im still waiting for the big fat lier of pappum's to confirm he has no result at all about me, or to confirm that i didnt roleblocked him at all.

I love how everyone is just voting me without even a confirmation, nice way to comfortably sit your vote without a compromise against anyone else.

Pappum DID NOT said he has a guilty because he DOES NOT has one. He was also NOT roleblocked by me, I can assure you. He says I "tried" to roleblock him... lol? He is implying he thinks i tried to roleblock him yet still got a result from whatever his role is. But he still got a result about something. Whatever that result was, im 100% sure its not "Pidgey is not town alligned".

Anyway, im not claiming shit until Pappum confirms he has something on me or im at -2.

Tierce- So am I scum for a reason other tha pappum's "report" on me? You are defending me against IaI's case, yet you havent implied how am I scum for another reason besides papps. Also, what others asked, why is FL town for that?

vijay- You should finish reading if you are going to accuse me of lurking. For your information, last 2 weeks were finals. Maybe you are done with college and dont rememberhow it is, but i had to study and do projects 24/7. So finish reading and get to my catchup post and to today before accusing me of that.

ALL THIS TALK ABOUT THE VOICES IS USELESS AND I DONT KNOW WHY SO MUCH OF THE INFORMATION OF TODAY IS ABOUT THAT. At best, we are giving the scum more information than what they had.

Havingfits- What about my triple post is scummy? Say exactly what you disagree with.

[Amrun]

You are at -2, btw.

[pidgey]

I'm at -4.

But still, no more votes would be appreciated until Pappum claims whatever.

[Tierce]

Tierce- So am I scum for a reason other tha pappum's "report" on me? You are defending me against IaI's case, yet you havent implied how am I scum for another reason besides papps. Also, what others asked, why is FL town for that?

I'm defending you against what I see is a bad case. pappums claimed an investigative result on you, and that is why I'm voting you. You can be scum and still be targeted by a scummy case.

I've already answered re: FL--I was wrong, it had to do with the timing of Parama requesting replacement--I thought there had been something like "Parama has requested replacement" in-thread

during the night phase

and FL had missed it (making him obv VT that wasn't reading the thread during night, and the precise role was why I didn't want to claim this because it would point scum toward juicier NKs), BUT I was wrong, the replacement request was posted with the first votecount of D2. So scratch that 'townbin forever' read.

[havingfitz]

I'm at -4.

But still, no more votes would be appreciated until Pappum claims whatever.

Actually you're at L-3. And I didn't call your triple post scummy. Read again.

[chesskid3]

No. FakeGod flipped 'Aegis faction'. Vi flipped Third Party.

Point is, we're still looking at confirmed 3+ parties.

Is a mental illness that makes you think you are schizophrenic a thing?

Yes but I can't remember the name of it. Some kind of psychosis.

if they were town they would have tried to figure out the alignment of the VOICE in their head, since IaI is a fucking GOOD vigshot.

not ignored it.

Alright I'm done beating around the bush

1) Chess, I'm also a voice in the head. And my head also killed Pere.

Except I don't have a suicide option

. This is why I don't believe your claim.
2) From my understanding, our whispers are calculated as a % chance of killing the target. I don't believe our head actually GETS a PM saying who to kill from their voice. We need to work together to try to increase our percentage.

Well, my role may or may not go to the person I sent it to. It also may happen even if I elect not to send in a choice. So yeah. I get told my final target, though.

This sounds more accurate to the understanding of my role.

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Majiffy is an asshole. Got it. Did you ever complete your catch up Majiffy? You had caught up to page 13 and then were going to read up over night...but I haven't seen promised catch up. If you aren't, that's fine, I'm just interested in seeing if your reads from the first 12 pages change any. And feel free to lay a vote down if you suspect anyone.

Yeah I'm just busy with finals atm so I don't have the time to invest that I'd like to. Last finals are today, though, so I can get back to the catching up tomorrow.

I'm not happy with the pidgey/pappums situation at the moment, especially since he was first hinting at being cop with a guilty, then he threw out some shit about potentially being roleblocked by pidgey which is pure speculation and thus not any damning evidence whatsoever. I'm not sure if that's just dumbcop play, scum slip, or what... But if it IS dumbcop, I think at least one scum has already hopped the wagon.

That statement there says the following – until we have confirmation that this is indeed Multiball (which means two distinct separate Mafia factions) that FakeGod’s push on Pine means he’s very unlikely to be a FakeGod partner. Especially given the timing and context that case from FakeGod came in.

Well derp does qualify your response well. I’m asking you to name of PLAYERS who you think are scum if this is a single Mafia faction game. Do you not understand that?

1) Non-town killing roles are scum as far as I'm concerned. Why do you see it differently? Their win conditions directly rival that of town's.
2) I haven't finished catching up, so I don't have solid reads yet. I'm very suspicious of this pidgey wagon, though, and how quickly people are hopping on without really questioning it.

I'll clarify my suicide option in a second.

But you chose to kill Pere, or you chose to submit a different name, and Pere ended up getting killed?

[Majiffy]

Different name.

[chesskid3]

hmm.
kk.

I made the suicide up, obviously. Scare tactic.

[chesskid3]

I wanted answers!

[Majiffy]

YOU WANT THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

[Majiffy]

Also chess when we get closer to the end of this day we need to come together on who we're targeting. If we were both in the head of whoever killed Pere, we stand a better chance at aiming a pro-town shot if we target the same person.

[MagnaofIllusion]

This is not even remotely true. What game are you reading? FaerieLord blatantly sheeped me onto FG. LIke, he said, "I'm sheeping Amrun's case."

He’s not reading the game because Hiraki’s scum Amrun. Don’t forget that important element of things

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Point is, we're still looking at confirmed 3+ parties.

No, the point is that there are significant differences between 3+Parties where only one scum (specifically Mafia not 3rd Party) Factions exists 3+Parties where multiple Scum Factions exist and your lack of understanding of those differences is the issue.

1) Non-town killing roles are scum as far as I'm concerned. Why do you see it differently? Their win conditions directly rival that of town's.

Please stop Straw-manning. I’ve never said that non-Town killing factions aren’t bad and shouldn’t be killed. You are completely dodging the issue with this.

If we are in a Single Mafia game the odds are overwhelming likely that Pine’s slot is NOT scum with FakeGod. What about that has you talking about 3rd Party scum?

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ALL THIS TALK ABOUT THE VOICES IS USELESS AND I DONT KNOW WHY SO MUCH OF THE INFORMATION OF TODAY IS ABOUT THAT. At best, we are giving the scum more information than what they had.

I very much dislike this response as I know Town Pidgey in a game with unusual mechanics / roles (FF6 Mafia) did not respond to mechanics based posting in this way.

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Note the irritated tone.

Aside from the fact that I think claims of obvious Tone in a written media are largely crap … the crux of that response was personal history as opposed to anything else then?

Okay, got it. Please don't call my questions stupid; I was trying to figure out your train of thought.

You know there is an actual difference between the words pointless and stupid, correct? Because you using stupid in response to my post at 988 when I did not use that word in what you quoted in the first place strikes me as not-Town behavior.

Have you seen my reasoning for it? On why I think IaI's case is a bucket full of nothing? If pidgey is scum, this feels like a typical forced bus.

I have seen it. I am not really that impressed with your IAI case as it stands. I fully admit part of that is my that my read on you is not currently favorable. Regardless I have concerns other than the quality of the case as to why you out and out calling it bussing at this stage is suspect.

Burden of Proficiency, already? From you?

Yup. Tis the price of wearing a heavy crown of Proficency that you get called on …

I am not a good scumhunter. I'm good at looking town

call me hitogoroshi~

and at, apparently, making scum nervous enough that they kill me off early, but I'm not a 'top tier town scumhunter' (where did you hear this, anyway?).

I direct you to the 2012 Scummies Thread where you are being lauded as the obvious Rising Star for 2012.

Otherwise I find this response meh. People who look Town and get Nightkilled tend to do so because they are threats to scum. I don’t know quite where you get those statistics from or what relevance you think they have but suffice it to say I’m not finding your play obv-Town as you have repeated claimed so your “I look so Town” response here falls flat for me.

[Majiffy]

No, the point is that there are significant differences between 3+Parties where only one scum (specifically Mafia not 3rd Party) Factions exists 3+Parties where multiple Scum Factions exist and your lack of understanding of those differences is the issue.

If we are in a Single Mafia game the odds are overwhelming likely that Pine’s slot is NOT scum with FakeGod. What about that has you talking about 3rd Party scum?

Enlighten me, then, because I don't see how our situation makes Pine's slot not scum with FG whereas it would if there were multiple scum factions.

[hiplop]

VOTE: Pidgey

Tierce wagon is smaller, and pidgey has been falling under pressure lately

[MagnaofIllusion]

Enlighten me, then, because I don't see how our situation makes Pine's slot not scum with FG whereas it would if there were multiple scum factions.

Pine's vote on FakeGod came fairly early in the wagon (fifth vote) and never wavered. He had plenty of opportunity to jump off to other wagons. Furthermore FakeGod's 'Pine' vote came at time when he and Tierce were pretty much tied in votes (7) and there was a small wagon on Pine (he made the third vote).

Those facts combined pretty much sum up why Pine and FakeGod are pretty much very unlikely scum partners.

Pine could have shifted to Tierce if they were partners. FakeGod could have voted Tierce if they were partners. And FakeGod's case isn't likely bussing as survivalism said that scum FakeGod should have been doing everything he could to make sure he wasn't lynched as opposed to trying to bus / distance from a Partner.

So if we are in Single Mafia scum (regardless of number of 3rd Party players) I have zero interest in wagonning Pine now as at worst he's third party and there really isn't evidence of to my mind that that slot is being scummy anyway.

Now if we are in Multi Mafia scum their actions could be scum going at each other or Town-Pine and Scum FakeGod attacking each other. In that case I'd want more information (aka other Mafia flips) before I really dig into assessing his alignment.

So in either case going at Pine's slot is not a high prority for someone looking to effectively hunt scum with the information we have now.

[Majiffy]

Fair enough.

Pappums needs to either flat-out assert his role and if he has a guilty or deny that he has a guilty in his next post.

[pidgey]

What he said.

Also ill claim as soon as i can if he says he indeed has a fake guilty on me. Dont hammer me until i do.

MoI- thats so different from this. Players here are talking about role related info, not mechanis of how the abilities change after a hammer, since that was item based. If chesskid ad amrun are town. They are just providing their role info and, in essence, making them usefull for manipulation if the scum has stuff like redirectors and busdrivers.

[pappums rat]

All right folks I guess its time to come clean. I dont actually have a guilty on pidgey. Here's the dealy-o:

I first breadcrumbed that I was a cop here:

@Pappums

– why do you assume Deathnote’s vote for pidgey is ‘random’ when I explicitly asked him to vote for a scum candidate?

'

C

ause he didnt really give any reasoning behind the vote.

ask me to explain these reads and I'll post a funny image* to avoid doing so
*image may or may not actually be humorous

I'll take a chance. Explain yourself.

The malthusis wagon seems not all that bad.

Why you voting Briz then? That was your first vote of the game and it certainly didnt look like RVS vote, and you havent talked about why briz is scum that much since then.

O

h, this is a good catch. Ignoring someone you think has a decent wagon on them and not voting that player while you still have your RVS vote on someone.

I'm pretty sure I've explained it to FaerieLord, who happens to be in denial.

P

erhaps you could explain why I cant find your explanation?

Unvote
Vote: Vi

:gameofmafia: is not an explanation. And it doesnt come close to making up for ignoring a wagon you thought was good.

I did this in an attempt to draw scum NK/PR night actions on myself to protect the town's PRs. If I was still alive D2, the plan was to post this:

If anyone feels the need to claim miller now would be a good time to do so.

To see if any scums (newer players more than likely) would actually fall for it and claim miller (considering how the proper way to play miller IMO is to claim in your first post). Since no one fell into my trap, I decided to vote pidgey since he looked like nervous scum to me and would be the most likely of my scumreads to blow a gasket over having a softclaimed cop guilty on him. His post here:

There is no way for pappum himself to have dirt on me, thats all im gonna say.

Made it sound like my gambit may have paid off and a scumteam actually did see my crumb and try to RB me.

So there you have it. My actions here were to try to a) draw scum actions to myself to protect town PRs, b) catch scum by seeing if they would fall for my "miller should claim" post, c) see if my most skittish scumread would react in an obvscum way, and d) at the very least get some discussion to analyze later.

[Majiffy]

Any opinions on those who have hopped on the pidgey wagon?

[TWIN SWORDS OF DESTINY]

Votecount 2.4

MagnaofIllusion (0)
Vijay2Vasandani (1) Hiraki
Brizingre1 (0)
Pidgey (7) I Am Innocent, pappums rat, Tierce, bunnylover, FaerieLord, AurorusVox, hiplop
havingfitz (0)
Majiffy (0)
hiplop (0)
Parama (0)
Dramonic (0)
chesskid3 (0)
I Am Innocent (2) chesskid3, Pidgey
Hiraki (0)
FaerieLord (1) Vijay2Vasandani
Amrun (1) Dramonic
AurorusVox (0)
Tierce (2) Amrun, havingfitz
pappums rat (0)
bunnylover (0)
Shadoweh (0)

Not Voting (5) - Majiffy, Brizingre1, Shadoweh, Parama, MagnaOfIllusion

With

19

alive, it takes

10

to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2012-05-26 20:00:00)

Searching for a replacement for Parama.

[pidgey]

So, pappums, am i scum to you or not?

You say my reaction is that of someone who knew you were "roleblocked". Yet at first I hadnt even noticed you were claiming cop. If I knew i had roleblocked you as scum or with my scummates my first reaction would have been different. When tierce voted me at first, I thought he was just buddying with you because he had a giant town read on you or he thought you were bussing me something, as i mentioned in 910, 911, 912.

You couldnt have a guilty on me because im town, plain and simple.

[Hiraki]

That could've been a random roleblock

very disappoint paupaum

[vijay2vasandani]

Done reading. That was a trek.

Anyway, my final thing is that FaerieLord is still scum, quite possibly in a different faction than FakeGod. Pidgey is now town because of how he reacted to the cop claim on him. Tierce is scum with FL, I just get that feeling. can we please vote Faerie now?