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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Wed May 30, 2012 3:47 pm

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I'll claim for him
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Wed May 30, 2012 3:55 pm

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Okay, w/e, I'll go next. It's ridiculous at this point.

I am the town tinkerer (inventor). I have certain one-shot abilities that I can distribute to any other player, one per night. They would then be able to use those abilities the following night. I can claim which abilities I had available, who I've given them to, and what I have left if necessary, but I'd rather keep that information close to the chest for the moment.

I will say however that masons, inventor, and vig in a 12-player game does seem town sided (although I am not a setup guru by any means), which was what prompted Reg to theorize that scum possibly had a neighborhood kill ability. I'm not saying Slan is scum, but I don't want to just take it for granted that he's town without examining all of the information available to us. Regardless, Sleepy and/or Mykonian is the lynch for today, no question.
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Wed May 30, 2012 8:51 pm

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Kats claims next
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Wed May 30, 2012 9:07 pm

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Post tomorrow when I'm less tired.

Slandaar wrote:Kats claims next


Nope.

Elli claims first.

Then Nico claims what abilities he has. We're not having TEEHEE TINKER in LYLO without an abilities claim.

The order with which these two claim may not end up mattering. Actually there are probably minimal differences with when these two claim but well.
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Wed May 30, 2012 10:17 pm

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Nope.

You are claiming.

Stop Stalling the game. Nicos actions dont matter for you to claim.
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 12:40 am

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Nico, I am town there were only 2 mislynches for town, think about it. Dont claim your ability use till Kats has claimed

Kats, if you dont claim, you are going in the claimed scum list with Sleepy.

I am conf town

I am sorting this massclaim out.

You are claiming now. There are no excuses.
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 2:06 am

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Fucking hell this stalling half claim refusing to claim bullshit is really starting to get annoying.

As we're fullclaiming today, someone should be able to confirm nico. I'd like some yes's or no's from slan and elli if their abilities seem to have come from an inventor type role and thus can confirm nico is not lying.
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 3:24 am

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EXACTLY WE CAN CONFIRM NICO, OR AT LEAST WE KNOW WHO HIS BUDDY(s) ARE (he didnt give me an ability)

IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT HE DIDNT SHARE ABILITY USE WE ARE NOT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF HES SCUM AT THIS POINT (hes not)

WE ARE JUST CLAIMING SO WE CAN ALL DISCUSS STUFF

KATS IS A SCUMBAG TRYING TO STALL THE MASSCLAIM

THIS IS NOT HAPPENING ON MY WATCH

KATS CLAIMS OR HE IS CONFSCUM JUST LIKE HIS BUDDY SLEEPY

END

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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 5:39 am

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Sleepy + Myko + 1{Katsu/Rhino}

I have prom today.
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 6:20 am

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Prom on a Thursday? Obvscum dodging the thread >_>
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 7:01 am

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Fate ( 4 ) katsuki, Slandaar, Nicodemus, Rhinox, (L - 3 )
katsuki ( 3 ) Fate, Untrod Tripod, Korts, (L - 4 )
Rhinox ( 1 ) mykonian (L - 6 )
SleepyKrew ( 1 ) Ellibereth (L - 6 )
Untrod Tripod ( 3 ) Gman, SleepyKrew, Crashtextdummie, (L -4)

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*** Korts ( 6 ) *** Rhinox, Crashtextdummie, katsuki, SleepyKrew, Untrod Tripod, Sotty7 (L - 1 )
mykonian ( 3 ) Slandaar, Fate, Korts, (L - 4 )
Nicodemus ( 1 ) mykonian (L - 6 )

Not Voting ( 2 ) Ellibereth Nicodemus,

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE SLEEPY AND KATS VOTE EVERY SINGLE TOWN WAGON GOING BUT THEY NEVER VOTED THE SCUM MYKO??? IS THIS JUST COINCIDENCE??? NO. THIS IS THE SCUM TEAM

CASE IN POINT FOR REFERENCE

WAGON 1

UT

Untrod Tripod ( 5 ) Gman, Rhinox, Crashtextdummie, mykonian, SleepyKrew,

AND WE ALL KNOW KATS PUT TO L-1

NEXT WAGON

FATE

Fate ( 5 ) katsuki, Slandaar, Nicodemus, mykonian SleepyKrew, (L - 2 )

THERE THEY ARE

NEXT WAGON

KORTS

Korts ( 4 ) Rhinox, Fate, Crashtextdummie, katsuki, (L - 3 )
Slandaar ( 3 ) Untrod Tripod, mykonian SleepyKrew, (L - 4 )

AT THE SAME TIME MY WAGON SPRANG FROM NOWHERE, BUT I CRUSHED THAT BS

NOTE SLEEPY ON ME KATS ON KORTS, I YELL AT PEOPLE KORTS UNVOTES LEAVING ONLY 1 TOWN ON MY WAGON IN UT SO THIS HAPPENS:

Korts ( 5 ) Rhinox, Fate, Crashtextdummie, katsuki, SleepyKrew, (L - 2 )

NEXT WAGON CTD

OK KATS DIDNT VOTE THIS ONE, BUT DIDNT NEED TO AT DEADLINE WITH TOWN/TOWN WAGONS IN CTD AND KORTS
*** Crashtextdummie ( 7 ) *** Sotty7 Korts, Fate, SleepyKrew, Untrod Tripod, Ellibereth Slandaar, (L - 0 )

NEXT WAGON

NICO VS KORTS VS MYKO

Korts ( 2 ) SleepyKrew, Sotty7 (L - 3 )
mykonian ( 2 ) Slandaar, Nicodemus, (L - 3 )
Nicodemus ( 3 ) Rhinox, katsuki, mykonian (L - 2 )

MAGIC THEY AVOID MYKO BUT VOTE THE OTHER 2?! STILL NO SCUM VOTES ON MYKO

*** Korts ( 5 ) *** SleepyKrew, Sotty7 Slandaar, Rhinox, katsuki, (L - 0 )

OH THERE THEY ARE

WAGON KATS
katsuki ( 3 ) Fate, Untrod Tripod, Korts, (L - 4 )

NEITHER MYKO OR SLEEPY IS INTERESTED IN JOINING THE ALL TOWN WAGON THAT IS SURPRISING THIS SHOULD BE A JUICY PROSPECT FOR SCUM SAME THING WITH MYKO WAGON EARLIER NO SCUM VOTED HIM EVER WHEN BOTH FATE AND I WANTED THE LYNCH.

THE CONNECTIONS ARE OBVIOUS.

THAT

IS

WAGON

ANALYSIS

SCUMBAGS

k, im done.

In the interests of fairness, myko did vote sleepy once upon a time, but that wagon was never going anywhere.

Nico is town, I am 100% sure, I will explain why after massclaim is finished.
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 7:03 am

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SleepyKrew wrote:Nico, in addition to my previous stuff I want answered, could you also tell me why you posted the Korts case first?

Also this clearly shows myko/sleepy connection.

Hes setting Nico up.
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 7:09 am

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Oh and more posting

Sotty suspected kats and to some extent myko

Sleepy was hung today, scum knew it hence mykos quick vote on him to gain any type of towncred, but the vote was too fast for town, town do not vote like that in lylo.

The scums plan I expect was;

Lynch Nico tomorrow by using Rhinox to vote him.

Simple, probably works. But Nicos town.

I doubt anyone can convince me this isnt the scum.
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 7:29 am

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SleepyKrew wrote:Okay first off, why the hell did you kill UT instead of mykonian?

He just knows myko is scum

And its obvious.

Why not ask why I shot UT not anyone else? its the instead of bit that drills home he knows mykos alignment ie he knows myko is scum and I shot the wrong person so hes pressing me on something only scum would.
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 7:35 am

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so it really doesnt matter what kats claims hes scum

im 1shot vengeful

my role in the setup was clearly to give the town their 3rd kill which is standard and break numbers from odd to even.

Nico is town because there is no way he claims a role which doesnt fit with my original vig claim; noone is buying that im scum and hes town. Its suicide for him. This is why scum were not claiming, they had to claim VT due to me.

This is why I pressed so hard on claims.

Kats cant claim pr, he should have insta claimed once Nico claimed pr IF he were a pr.

Elli is town who used Nicos cop ability on myko

game.

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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 9:35 am

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Nicodemus wrote:Sleepy and/or Mykonian is the lynch for today, no question.


Pretty sure I question that. Can't afford to lynch me at this point, that's just a lost game.

And I know this is some fucked up timing, but I'm probably not going to be very active in this game in the coming 4 days.
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 9:39 am

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I'm awaiting the last few claims, but I think I'd like to say something about the setup. Please don't lynch before that.

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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Thu May 31, 2012 3:44 pm

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Day 3

Ellibereth ( 0 )
[/color]
(L - 4 )

katsuki ( 0 )
[/color]
(L - 4 )

mykonian ( 0 )
[/color]
(L - 4 )

Nicodemus ( 0 )
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(L - 4 )

Rhinox ( 0 )
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(L - 4 )

Slandaar ( 0 )
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(L - 4 )

SleepyKrew ( 0 )
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(L - 4 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

Not Voting ( 7 )
SleepyKrew, Ellibereth Nicodemus, Rhinox, katsuki, Slandaar, mykonian

Total Votes ( 7 )

Needed to Lynch [ 4 ]



Deadline: June 13th at 19:00 EDT
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:50 am

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prod skrew please.


http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 9&sr=posts
or we could just lynch him.

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Explain now (and claim).
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:03 am

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SleepyKrew wrote:In our QT, I learned that Nico is scum. Thank you, QT.


after you show up and give your fake claim, explain this.
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:08 am

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SleepyKrew wrote:And I forgot both kills.


And... if you forgot both kills, who did you think was killed instead of those 2?
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:42 am

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I think slan's case all makes sense.

Even without any other claims, obv he was only a 1-shot vig a full vig in a 12p game is too much.

Nico I guess has to be town. Only other possibility is he could be scum with elli but his N2 action should be confirmable at the right time. I kinda think nico should claim he N2 target today to avoid any shenanigans later on with potential CC's to claimed inventor abilities should nico be killed tonight, and secondary to fully confirm him as an inventor (would erase all doubts in my mind of nico+elli scumteam if a second ability was confirmed received by a living player other than elli).

I believe elli did receive an ability from nico. However, I don't automatically believe that makes elli town and his result is true. This is lylo - elli
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be scum who got an ability from town-nico and is faking a guilty in lylo. My team had a town read on myko since the start of the game, and nobody had anything to say about elli, so I'm going to have to discuss this with my team before I can just accept elli's result. With all scum still alive, taking a chance on a fake guilty 1v1 in lylo isn't really that risky compared to the reward of scum winning the game outright. I don't think I would lynch myko today, I'm more confident about a skrew lynch.

I'm still trying to reconcile kats being scum in my mind. It wasn't just me but my whole team who had a town read on kats from our neighbor QT. But POE says if Nico is town, and slan is town, and one of elli or myko is town, there's no way kats is not scum.

I don't see any holes in slan's case. I think skrew should be today's lynch. Fonz promised me some reads since we're in LyLo and he's already dead in his game, but he's waiting for massclaim to finish up. This stalling bullshit really needs to stop.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:06 am

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back from prom stuff
but tired as shit and won't be heere tomorrow so we'll see
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:26 am

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Unfortunately there is one hole in my case

Scum shot Sotty, which implies they had a plan today.

The 2 most likely lynches today were Sleepy and Nico but if one flips scum, the other becomes infinitely harder to lynch. (the scum could have tried lynching me but obv decided against)

So, if myko scum is bussing sleepy scum sleepy flips, the next day, what is their plan?

They kill 1 leave 3/4 Elli/Me/Rhinox/Nico. Who do they try to lynch?

Nico looks town based on hood status... im town, rhinox or Elli? and kill me?

That was their plan?

Seems pretty bad. Kats was relying on Rhinox protection? that was the plan? he still has to lynch someone else...

Like the scum plan seems so bad.

Then you get to the final part;
Maybe they just didnt think about the fact sleepyscum makes Nico look town. And this is what I currently am inclined to believe as everything else fits so well.



Fact is;

Myko/Sleepy/Kats have been VERY quiet in LYLO, myko being the loudest but he voted way too fast in lylo to be anything but scum, the other 2 are mice, they are not doing anything, at all.

Scum just waiting for something to happen.
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:11 am

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Can you stop calling me a lurker?

It's appreciated. Because it's bullshit.

I mean, I'm used to people finding all sorts of reasons to satisfy their gut feeling that I'm scum. Keep them real, and if you are actually good, try to figure out if that gut read actually makes sense. You aren't, you are just unable to understand that you could be wrong. You are wrong here. Stop tunneling.
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